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Donald Trump Wants to Become a Dictator
Story by Stephen Silver • 4h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...56914769067731&ei=38

"Authoritarianism will be on the ballot": Experts worried over Trump's "alarming" 2025 plot - 3h ago

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well, it would require the abject failure of the voters to put him in office a second time - he's literally the only person Biden can beat

It's a sad situation if you are correct on either or both counts.

First, I certainly don't dismiss the possibility that "voters" of a certain mindset would definitely put him in the office again if they could and support all the mischief he would stir.

After all, it was an abject failure the first time they put him in office, and many have learned nothing, except to double-down on their views and make excuses.

If he weren't the GOP frontrunner, my assessment would be different.

If any of the other GOPer candidates could beat Biden, then why aren't they out front? What does that say?

it wasn't an abject failure of voters that put him in office -- HILLARY put him in office -

How telling. In both of the last two Presidential elections, the winner has been determined more by the dislike of the opponent than the support for the winner. Looks like we could have the same thing happen in 2024. I have to agree with Saeed. The American electorate is just embarrassingly stupid.

There are some things we can agree on. For example, the points made in the above posts.

But, in part my point is not just about Trump. It's about the inner workings of the GOP and those who set up the means to accomplish the stuff described in the OP articles.

In a BIGLY way, much of those goals, and more, can be accomplished with ANY GOPer winner.

Just look at what the GOPer House is doing now, for a small sample of the insanity.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
There are some things we can agree on. For example, the points made in the above posts.

But, in part my point is not just about Trump. It's about the inner workings of the GOP and those who set up the means to accomplish the stuff described in the OP articles.

In a BIGLY way, much of those goals, and more, can be accomplished with ANY GOPer winner.

Just look at what the GOPer House is doing now, for a small sample of the insanity.

and, we move the goal posts, again -

went from orange man bad to any goper --

you do know you do this ALL the time?

who do I want from the GOP? Nikki?

Remember 20,000 shock troops?

So, you think I changed the goal post?

What if the point(s) were all along as I explained and per the articles?

Do you think for a second that those who scheme this shit will give up if Trump fails --- again?

Another point is that I think many GOPers are willfully blind about the goals of the GOP. Either that or they condone it all.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
So, you think I changed the goal post?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Donald Trump Wants to Become a Dictator. Where do you stand?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
In a BIGLY way, much of those goals, and more, can be accomplished with ANY GOPer winner.

I don't THINK you do, you proved it -

you went from a semi-rational "fear" of Trump becoming POTUS again, into a blind hatred for anything GOP ..

so, yeah.. we are done here

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who do I want from the GOP? Nikki?

Govenor Kemp might do a good job of restraining the MAGAs and other extremists.

The point is that they don't want to be constrained by the old-fashioned constitution.

They want to rig it so they never lose another election, by any means.

They don't even care that their mission is corrupt to the core, re the constitution. Yet they consider themselves patriots.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
So, you think I changed the goal post?

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Donald Trump Wants to Become a Dictator. Where do you stand?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
In a BIGLY way, much of those goals, and more, can be accomplished with ANY GOPer winner.

I don't THINK you do, you proved it -

you went from a semi-rational "fear" of Trump becoming POTUS again, into a blind hatred for anything GOP ..

so, yeah.. we are done here

To the contrary.

The main thing I proved is that you refuse to see the big picture, and make excuses.

And you make up shit - "blind hatred for anything GOP".

I do hope YOU are done here. YOU are spoiling any reasonable discussion with nonesense.

I prefer cheese with my whine.

Really, I realize that none of us individually have a say in who the establishment nominates.

Just sayin' that from my observations many republicans say they don't want Trump to be the nominee. I see mostly two reasons; one being that he's a loser, two because he carries so much baggage. Perhaps that's saying the same thing. I see few herein who think he's utterly unfit for the office, utterly corrupt, utterly power and revenge hungry, bad for the country, generally a monster.

It seems republicans want what he has to offer, but some other demagogue to do it.

What's a guy to think in assessing the situation?

I've spelled out the GOP agenda several times. It's mostly ignored. So, am I to assume that republicans approve of the 20,000 shock troops, for example?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...35bda758d46cbc&ei=10

Pro-Trump Crowd, Sensing Disloyalty, Drowns Out Dissent


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BTW, I don't approve of Biden mostly due to his age. But he's not scheming to crush the FCC, EPA, DOJ, FBI, other agencies and the constitution.

I didn't favor or vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, nor will I ever. I consider Trump's speech after loosing in 2020 to be treasonous.

However, like Ilan Omar, another traitor as far as I'm concerned, the problem as I see it isn't the figurehead, it's their constituents. That Trump and Omar do and say what they do isn't as disturbing as the masses that vote for them.

The masses invaded the Capital on January 6th successfully and are now being found guilty, (fortunately,) of crimes against America.

But if the rebellion of January 6th isn't sufficiently repulsed and defeated, what and who are next? Omar and the Taliban? BLM? Rashida Tlaib and Hamas?

The extremists are actually succeeding with political violence. Who and what next?

The violence itself is one thing, and the threat thereof, such as civil war.

It should be noted that such threat of civil war is coming from the Right.

But the other thing I'm talking about is the takeover plan, the fundamental change, which is the vulnerability of the democratic republic. It's happened in other countries where the appeal of autocracy wins. The effect is the same as winning a civil war, but without so much death and violence - in the short term.

It will lead to long-term unrest, perhaps violence - lots of it.

The sentiments that brought on the events of Jan 6 are still there, brooding.

My point is that such a takeover plan exists, and is beyond the development stage. It's ready to implement when given the power vested in the outcome of election. And it exists within the GOP establishment.

Another point is that GOPers seem powerless to get rid of Trump, so are they also powerless to prevent the GOP establishment from implementing the plans described in the OP articles and elsewhere? Or, alternatively, is that exactly what they want, just a different tool besides Trump?

Ilan Omar

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...531&lightschemeovr=1

Marjorie Taylor Green

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...531&lightschemeovr=1

Your Choice

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Remember 20,000 shock troops?

So, you think I changed the goal post?

What if the point(s) were all along as I explained and per the articles?

Do you think for a second that those who scheme this shit will give up if Trump fails --- again?

Another point is that I think many GOPers are willfully blind about the goals of the GOP. Either that or they condone it all.

Four years ago this month -- on July 2nd, 2008 -- Obama delivered a speech in Boulder, Colorado in which he promised the creation and establishment of a "Civilian National Security Force." He further promised it would be "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded as the US Military."

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
well, it would require the abject failure of the voters to put him in office a second time - he's literally the only person Biden can beat

Well, what do you call it when people here that are educated tell us they would vote for him again. This is after he called for his immediate reinstatement and suspension of the Constitution. They play chess not checkers after all.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The violence itself is one thing, and the threat thereof, such as civil war.

It should be noted that such threat of civil war is coming from the Right.

My fear/hatred is fairly evenly divided towards the extremists on both the right and the left, and from where I stand it seems that both sides are fanning the flames.

I am interested to hear why you see the right as threatening civil war, but not the left?

Jan 6th aside, it seems that the extremists on the left have been more likely to employ violence and destruction than the right.

I am trying to come up with right wing violence that is analogous to the BLM and Antifa rioting, but I can’t recall any(excluding Jan 6th).

Most of the threats of violence and civil war if they don't get their way politically that I've seen have come from the right. And they're the ones with most of the guns!

If you're a right-winger and want to gin up a case for the left also inciting civil war, excluding January 6 from the equation is indispensable to making your point. That's because there is no leftwing equivalent to January 6.

For one thing, the BLM and ANTIFA riots weren't incited by the Democratic candidate for president.

I voted for Sanders, so not exactly a right winger. And I absolutely despise Trump going back to his interview with Oprah and his first wife. You do like to pidgin hole people/groups…

I wasn’t looking at this as one party versus the others. They each play to a side, but they are beholden to the same “donors”.

I was speaking specifically of the people themselves, ignoring the politicians. I agree that Jan 6 cannot be compared to anything on the leftist side.

But in general it seems that the left employs violence on a more regular basis, and it seems to boil over more frequently.

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Originally posted by rabbithabit:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Remember 20,000 shock troops?

So, you think I changed the goal post?

What if the point(s) were all along as I explained and per the articles?

Do you think for a second that those who scheme this shit will give up if Trump fails --- again?

Another point is that I think many GOPers are willfully blind about the goals of the GOP. Either that or they condone it all.

Four years ago this month -- on July 2nd, 2008 -- Obama delivered a speech in Boulder, Colorado in which he promised the creation and establishment of a "Civilian National Security Force." He further promised it would be "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded as the US Military."

"Civilian National Security Force."

https://www.factcheck.org/2008...onal-security-force/

It still amazes me how folks can take far right BS and conspiracy theories as fact and truth. And they repeat it long after it's been debunked.

Same thing about justifying Trump's first term as a reaction to Obama and Hillary.

BS

Most of the stuff made up about Obama and Hillary was of the same class as the above claim, but the hate didn't have to happen. It was wholly on the individual who fomented it - OWN it. You didn't have to listen to Tucker, but you did because you wanted the hate.

I think it is fair to say that if the Democrats had nominated a less polarizing candidate than Hillary, Trump likely would not have won. Hillary is an easy person not to like, that shrill voice of hers short circuits my brain. Listening to her pontificate for four years was not something I could vote for. That does not Justify Trump's first term but it may give a frame of reference as to how it happened.

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But in general it seems that the left employs violence on a more regular basis, and it seems to boil over more frequently.

Since the 60's, as I recall, the protests and even the violence were from the left peace mongers. Some of those protests became riots and violent. I especially remember the one in California, 1965. I'm not so sure that was a leftist thing. https://www.britannica.com/event/Watts-Riots-of-1965

The thing to remember is the Right's support for police funding to quell the riots, but not to address the root cause. They never have and never will.

But anyway, if the Right has their way, and rig the system in the manner planned, one thing we can count on is more riots for the fascists to quell.

It was a simple matter of $$ to me.
The Obo administration cost me huge money with nothing to show for it. Hillary said she was going to continue Obo's plans.

The mystery to me is why we are presented with such poor choices. There are so many smart, ethical, hard-working people in this country and we end up with a choice between a geriatric and a psycho.

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Originally posted by skb:
I think it is fair to say that if the Democrats had nominated a less polarizing candidate than Hillary, Trump likely would not have won. Hillary is an easy person not to like, that shrill voice of hers short circuits my brain. Listening to her pontificate for four years was not something I could vote for. That does not Justify Trump's first term but it may give a frame of reference as to how it happened.

I understand. I didn't like her either. But she pegged Trump and Putin correctly.

But how IT happened was in most part HATE, which was fomented BIGLY with lies, conspiracy theories, misogyny. The right's media were very busy for a long time on that. It was mostly emotional reactionary, rather than based in reason. Comey didn't help. The Benghazi "investigations" were all designed as weapons to discredit Hillary. And so forth.

For further evidence just look at how the GOP weaponizes investigations when they have the power, all the while claiming the Dems are those who weaponize. The hypocrisy doesn't get any worse than that.

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Originally posted by theback40:
It was a simple matter of $$ to me.
The Obo administration cost me huge money with nothing to show for it. Hillary said she was going to continue Obo's plans.

Lots of times, mostly, it costs to do the right thing. Shortcuts are cheaper.

It's a proven fact that most people, and especially corporations, won't do the right things unless society has a say in it. The EPA and FDA, building inspectors and code, etc., were created to try to curb human nature and regulate the "right" things.

Yet the whining continues and always will. Individualism and self-interests are always the goal without adequate incentives to consider society. Laws, for example, are generally considered adequate incentive, except for Trump and Trumpsters. It's all about the old-fashioned Social Contract that Jefferson and Locke believed in.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The mystery to me is why we are presented with such poor choices. There are so many smart, ethical, hard-working people in this country and we end up with a choice between a geriatric and a psycho.

Ditto.

I don't even like the choices for VP. Imagine Kamala as POTUS.

What does that loud mouth Bimbo, AOC likes to be??

Dont feed me that line Kabob.
you told of corruption in a Alaska town when you were clerk there. I asked why you didnt say anything.
You said you wanted to keep your job and didnt dare to.
I didnt spend my life working for this land and improvements to have to sell it because of BS sweeping policy that hurts some states, thinking it helps others. I see you giving up fuck all of yours.
Go tell the town of East Palistine Ohio of what the Dem lead EPA has done for them, then get back to me. Have meal of fish and a drink of water there while you are at it.

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Hillary is an easy person not to like, that shrill voice of hers short circuits my brain

Haha, now ain’t that the truth.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Dont feed me that line Kabob.
you told of corruption in a Alaska town when you were clerk there. I asked why you didnt say anything.
You said you wanted to keep your job and didnt dare to.
I didnt spend my life working for this land and improvements to have to sell it because of BS sweeping policy that hurts some states, thinking it helps others. I see you giving up fuck all of yours.
Go tell the town of East Palistine Ohio of what the Dem lead EPA has done for them, then get back to me. Have meal of fish and a drink of water there while you are at it.

It's all about attitude, ain't it?

There's always examples to use as justifications.

I've seen many folks like you at town hall meetings. Pure disruption. No wonder nothing gets done, or at least done the hard way.

City council's approve city code, then subsequent councils abide or not, depending on who's cronies are affected and whine the most. In many cases they don't even bother to change the code. They just go around. It's easier and less transparent. It's that way all the way up the political ladder. EPA is somewhat different - they have delegated authority to issue regs and enforcement. That's as it should be.

As a city employe whose job was in-part code enforcement, in conjunction with the city attorney, the job security was always tentative. The city council was generally divided, as to cronies, and issues. Take sides or cross the wrong persons - well goodbye job. Best let the city attorney decide and stand back.

Defund the EPA, FDA, FBI, etc., empower the shock troops; that's the Rightists' dream.

Deflect all you want Kabob. I have your number.
I was a town officer. I was at the front of the town halls, dipshit. I listened and gave thought to each and every tax payer in the town. Except in few instances, there is something to take away from every residents voice. The few, usually have a personal vendetta, those you nod your head to them, and move on.
Why didnt you quit over what you felt was going on, in protest when you were clerk?
Why didnt you post a single thing on the long running east Palistine thread?
You are afraid of what would be used against you, Everyone already knows.
You are the master of, do what I say not what I do.
If migratory birds can be broke down into flyways by the feds, and limits set by state in each flyway.
The gov sure as hell could break down mountain, desert and swamp drainages, and have proper regulations for each.
You never think things out do you Kabob?

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Originally posted by theback40:
Deflect all you want Kabob. I have your number.
I was a town officer. I was at the front of the town halls, dipshit. I listened and gave thought to each and every tax payer in the town. Except in few instances, there is something to take away from every residents voice. The few, usually have a personal vendetta, those you nod your head to them, and move on.
Why didnt you quit over what you felt was going on, in protest when you were clerk?
Why didnt you post a single thing on the long running east Palistine thread?
You are afraid of what would be used against you, Everyone already knows.
You are the master of, do what I say not what I do.
If migratory birds can be broke down into flyways by the feds, and limits set by state in each flyway.
The gov sure as hell could break down mountain, desert and swamp drainages, and have proper regulations for each.
You never think things out do you Kabob?

Everyone in America has a personal vandeta!

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If migratory birds can be broke down into flyways by the feds, and limits set by state in each flyway.
The gov sure as hell could break down mountain, desert and swamp drainages, and have proper regulations for each.
You never think things out do you Kabob?

What make you think the gov (EPA?) doesn't do what you say in the second sentence?

"Never" is a big word for you.

This video says what I'm trying to say, and have said for a while now:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c55c8cf85a15a5&ei=36

Trump's Plan For Autocracy: We're Trying To 'Identify The Pockets Of Independence And Seize Them,' Says Associate
Story by Melanie Schaffer • Yesterday 1:04 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c55c8cf85a15a5&ei=50

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Deflect all you want Kabob. I have your number.
I was a town officer. I was at the front of the town halls, dipshit. I listened and gave thought to each and every tax payer in the town. Except in few instances, there is something to take away from every residents voice. The few, usually have a personal vendetta, those you nod your head to them, and move on.

Everyone in America has a personal vandeta!

Depends on how "vandeta" is defined.

Myself - I park my van under mine, and don't share it with anyone.

It's the kind of thing the county assessor's code enforcement officer sneaks around and valuates for property tax assessment increase.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
well, it would require the abject failure of the voters to put him in office a second time - he's literally the only person Biden can beat

"Not Biden" could win over "Not Trump", just like "Not Hillary" won over "Not Trump". Yes, "Not Trump" won over "Not Biden" last time. Once and done...

I suspect over 50% of the whole US population thinks the same as these Trump supporters in Utah:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c55c8cf85a15a5&ei=69

Majority of Utah voters think indictment against Trump was ‘politically motivated’
Story by Gitanjali Poonia • Yesterday 11:00 PM

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Aside from the content of the article - what is "politically motivated" in this context?

Were the prosecutions and convictions of some of the 1/6 riot participants politically motivated? Their actions (crimes) certainly were.

This whole arena is "politically motivated". That doesn't mean crimes weren't committed in that arena, nor should they be dismissed as politically motivated in the prosecution thereof.


Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...09f1dc4f42464b&ei=30

Trump says he has been notified he's a target of the US probe into efforts to overturn 2020 election
Story by By ERIC TUCKER, Associated Press • 54m ago

Trump made the claim in a post on his Truth Social platform, saying he received the target letter while with his family on Sunday night. Such a letter can precede an indictment and is used to advise individuals that prosecutors have evidence linking them to a crime; Trump received one ahead of being charged last month in a separate investigation into the mishandling of classified documents.