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Wow, really? I would like to see that. Do you have a link, cite, or source? . | |||
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"I want everyone to remember, that I have read the unredacted version." You’re the one who posted it..  | |||
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No. Pay attention. Senator Grassley said he read the unredacted version. (Form 10 23) The Senator has never, as far as I can tell, claimed in your words "heard the unedited tapes" The ONLY people claiming Senator Grassley has heard the tapes is you and Mike Mitchell. How about you Mike, where's your source? I'll wait... . | |||
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You’re completely right he “Read the unredacted version” - and then brayed his allegation world wide from the highest possible perch to get some political traction from what’s probably just another Trumpian lie. Do you suppose he should have made the effort to see if it was true before spreading slander? But shout it loud! Even if it doesn’t exist. Never let the absence of facts, evidence, verification or corroboration get in the way of a loud mouthed Trumpite.  What a pack of scumbags. | |||
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He read the unredacted version of form 10 23. He never heard the tapes. He never read or heard a translation of the tapes. He read in the unredacted 10 23 that there are 17 recordings. The unclassified 10 23 which the FBI first denied was real, then admitted was real after threats of contempt proceedings, and ultimately provided to Committee in a redacted version, had that information hidden. Grassley knew that because he had seen the unredacted form 10 23. He never claimed to have heard the tapes. You and Mike did. . | |||
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You can try to change it around into something that it isn't as much as you want....bottom line is Grassley is full of shit. Made up bullshit is what this is...and you know it. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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No…Grassly over the years has a good track record. There is absolutely no “valid” reason to believe this is anything but the likely truth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Other than the fact that these are unsubstantiated allegations by an anonymous source. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...gitimacy/ar-AA1cznLG Just the GOP trying to sell another conspiracy theory with no merritt at this point. If the tapes do exist and the allegations do prove to be true, then Biden has a real issue. What is offered up as "evidence" currently is nothing but rubbish. | |||
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"Other than the fact that these are unsubstantiated allegations by an anonymous source." I mean, there is that but it's a lot easier if you just declare it to be true and move on.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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That is just it. Grassley himself is NOT an unreliable source and his allegations (to the best of my recollection…correct me by example if you can) always bear out to be substantiated. MM made the same case over the 1023. It bore out that there was indeed a 1023 as described. Grassley’s reputation is clean. Prove me wrong. When he makes a statement…he has usually seen the evidence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm sure the 1023 form exists, that is not in question. Do the tapes exist? Is there any truth to the allegations? Those are the questions that matter. I'm not at all questioning if a anonymous source ever existed, just whether or not the allegations are true. | |||
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Grassley is the same as Comer. And, here's how his "investigation" is going: House Oversight Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) claimed Thursday that another source in the GOP’s Biden family probe has been missing ― for the last three years. The lawmaker complained to Fox News host Sean Hannity that MSNBCrides him over informants who have disappeared. (Watch the video below.) >>>Hannity asked Comer if he had any contact with an unidentified oligarch who claimed he bribed President Joe Biden as vice president. Comer answered: “Unfortunately, nobody’s had any contact with him for the last three years. You know, MSNBC makes fun of me when I said that there are a lot of people that were involved in the Biden shenanigans that are currently missing. But with respect to this oligarch, we think we know where he is. He just hasn’t been seen in public in a long time, but we’re following the money.” https://www.yahoo.com/entertai...20have%20disappeared. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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You keep saying this and I don't know what you're talking about. I refute so much of your bullshit that sometimes I lose track. Cite me up. I'll be happy to acknowledge it if I was wrong. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Lane, you ask for evidence of Grassley’s lack of credibility. I’ll give you just one from less than a year ago: Speaking to a crowd in Iowa last August, he said, “I’m for the $35 cap [on insulin].” Two weeks prior he voted against. The man is an old lying crow. | |||
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Yesterday, the old crow even admitted that he doesn’t know if the tapes actually exist, yet he is out there crowing about it. “I want to know [if] the FBI, are you doing your work? I want to see your work. Have you listened to these tapes? And if you haven’t, why haven’t you? In other words, do the tapes even exist?” Grassley isn’t even the only Republican to acknowledge the tapes might not be real. Senator Ron Johnson told Fox News Thursday that “we don’t know” if the tapes exist. House Oversight Chair James Comer, who has led the charge against Biden, said Wednesday he doesn’t know if the recordings are “legit.” And yet these tapes have been the basis for almost every accusation leveled against Biden this past week. Republicans are pushing a conspiracy first started by Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump that the Biden family accepted a $10 million bribe to remove former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin in 2016 to stop a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at the oil company Burisma Holdings. | |||
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These tapes remind me of Shiff and his evidence he had on trump. These politicians get so caught up in themselves, you cant believe anything until it is over. | |||
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After listening to hours of Trump's first impeachment trial I would say the case was proved quite well. Politics being what they are right now, Trump was not convicted, he certainly was guilty though. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...fbc297dd3bcff&ei=131 GOP Rep. James Comer Says Another Biden Source Is Missing, Braces For MSNBC Mockery Story by Ron Dicker • 4h ago House Oversight Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) claimed Thursday that another source in the GOP’s Biden family probe has been missing ― for the last three years. "Comrade ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Packs of liars accusing each other of being liars, while they’re all liars. Has anyone here EVER seen a truthful, honest, ethical politician of any stripe, anywhere? I wonder if they sometimes convince themselves that people believe them. Oh. Shit. I forgot about the Trumpers. They BELIEVE!  Poor, pathetic gullible goofs.  | |||
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So, you have no source for your made up bullshit. That makes you a lying sack of shit in my book. Have you ever thought about a career in politics Mike, you seem cut out for it. . | |||
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Gee, I seem to have no problem finding articles that back up MM's position: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/15...ry-scheme/index.html Do you have a source that either shows the tapes exist or that the allegations have some substance? | |||
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Why Republicans Want a Nakedly Partisan Justice Department Story by Jonathan Chait • Yesterday 1:31 PM https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...33e0c36a222673&ei=31 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Steve with all due respect, Mike is entitled to his position and his opinion but he is not entitled to the facts. And the fact is, Senator Grassley never claimed to have heard the tapes. Mike claimed he did. . | |||
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This is a great post!!!! We know Trump lies, but you have to admit he exposed the D.C cesspool and the scumbags in it like no other.  | |||
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You are likely correct in this detail. If the GOP is questioning if the tapes actually exist, then Grassley likely did not hear them. All this lost evidence is starting to make me question the truthfulness of the allegations though. | |||
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Steve, along with the gas lighting and stone walling on the part of the FBI, I have very little to no confidence in the Committee's investigation going forward. . | |||
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Actually, I claimed he did after misreading your own post. He just concurred. The difference is neither here nor there, the fact remains Grassley offered as fact what is probably bullshit, in typical deceptive Repugnant fashion. They’re so desperate to draw attention away from their cult leader that they keep throwing shit at Biden (and Hillary, after all these years) and pray that something sticks. Poor, delusional, desperate fools. | |||
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No. The difference is one is a fact, and the other is a "mistake" made because the claimants were apparently not in possession of the facts and decided to wing it... No amount of wiggling like a carp is going to change that. . | |||
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Maybe “They NO LONGER” exist would be a better statement. That said, circumstantially it looks like they do (or did). Why? The 1023 is old, much older than the recently discovered shell company laundering scheme and the millions deposited therein. Is it just a coincidence that the “10 years to find the money” Gordian knot part of the 1023 is now discovered to be corroborated? Could be… but add the use of the term “Big Guy” in the 1023 and just coincidence becomes less likely… then add the entire laptop with its schedule of payments to, among others, the Big Guy. The chronology of discovery takes the veracity of the allegations from “maybe” to certainty. To be anything else than truthful the informant would have had to know what’s on the laptop, known a drug-hazed Hunter would leave it with someone capable to decipher its contents, not act like present “see no evil”Democrat Senators and get it to the FBI (though they actively are still trying to hide its contents), that the House Republicans would find the shell companies existence, a whistleblower would sacrifice his career to give Sen. Grassley an un-redacted 1023, Babalosky (sp?) would became public with the same story even not knowing of the 1023…. And it goes on. My progressive friends and Democrats, Anybody but Trump’ers, etc., Joe’s caught, tapes still there or not. Find an honest candidate, please. Our country needs one… probably a better Republican front-runner, too. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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For god's sake, I've never seen such crawdaddying. You're the one ought to consider a career in politics. These herculean efforts to avoid the point of the OP are quite impressive. If I was mistaken in concurring with that post, please please please accept my sincere apology you fucking trumptard asshat. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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So you have no verifiable source then. Got it.  . | |||
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Miguel, Miguel, Miguel, so angry this morning.......... Why do you libturds get so angry when questioned? | |||
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Was that the only item he was voting for? Or, was it a package. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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http://forums.accuratereloadin...251065472#5251065472 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I can verify this for you. "Republican Senator Chuck Grassley admitted that he doesn’t actually know if the audio recordings that he said reveal Joe Biden accepting a bribe even exist." https://newrepublic.com/post/1...-keeps-talking-exist -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Go back and read it again, Lane. I was referring to the affidavit, not the 1023. Anybody with the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader would be able to see that. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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 MMYou and TW were questioning whether the 1023 existed. To say otherwise is pure spin. The 1023 did exist. Obviously if we could read the 1023…answers to you other questions in that thread would likely be clear. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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So Shiff was right and the Durham report lied, even after the FBI admitted the faults and lies that Durham found? SKB, are you that freaking stupid? | |||
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Either you linked me to the wrong page or we have moved into the realm of outright lies by you. There's nothing on that page about me saying the 10-23 doesn't exist. I asked you to prove the existence of the affidavit. Do you even understand what a 10-23 is? Did you send me the wrong link? Or, has it all just been a lie from the beginning and you didn't think I'd call you on it? Pretty sad, man. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Trump should have been convicted at his first impeachment trial....anybody with an open mind could see that. I won't call you stupid, likely just biased. | |||
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