quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Anything to cast doubt, spew disinformation and propaganda, help cause chaos, undermine whatever integrity there is left - that's the mission.

Case in point:


Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
A couple of days ago he was sneering that he “heard the unedited tapes”.

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Yup. Lying sack of shit.



You're probably right, a therapist probably can't help these two.

They're obviously too emotionally invested and entrenched in their ideology.

But there's always hope...


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Truly, "Ty"...what is this? Self-loathing? It's bizarre.

And, so just to bring things back around to where we started.

Where are those recordings of Biden taking a bribe? "Ty"?

Where is that affidavit stating he took a bribe? "Ty"?

Where are the missing witnesses on all this per Comer? "Ty"?

I'm thinking they are hidden with Hunter's laptop. Or with that affidavit that "Ty" thinks means so much but that nobody has ever seen and who Chuck Grassley has now stated that he doesn't even know if it exists. Or, maybe with all the "evidence" that indicated Hillary should be indicted but she never was.

It seems like republicans keep misplacing evidence. Or, they make it up as they go along.

So..."Ty"

Where is all this information you rely on?

Again. "ty"

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
It's what is referred to as an opinion you "lying sack of shit"

Plus I like rubbing your snout in your lies.


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I'm surprised this is the best you could come up with in light of all your deep reading and analysis you described. Asshole.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
It's what is referred to as an opinion you "lying sack of shit"

Plus I like rubbing your snout in your lies.


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I'm surprised this is the best you could come up with in light of all your deep reading and analysis. Asshole.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey.........you no likey?





Turd's never like their snouts rubbed in their lies, that's for sure!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Anything to cast doubt, spew disinformation and propaganda, help cause chaos, undermine whatever integrity there is left - that's the mission.

Case in point:


Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
A couple of days ago he was sneering that he “heard the unedited tapes”.

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Yup. Lying sack of shit.



You're probably right, a therapist probably can't help these two.

They're obviously too emotionally invested and entrenched in their ideology.

But there's always hope...


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Truly, "Ty"...what is this? Self-loathing? It's bizarre.

It is what is referred to as an opinion you "lying sack of shit"

Plus I have to admit it's fun rubbing your snout in it.

I find it almost as enjoyable as your projection. Hahahahaha...



.

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Anything to cast doubt, spew disinformation and propaganda, help cause chaos, undermine whatever integrity there is left - that's the mission.

Case in point:


Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
A couple of days ago he was sneering that he “heard the unedited tapes”.

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Yup. Lying sack of shit.



You're probably right, a therapist probably can't help these two.

They're obviously too emotionally invested and entrenched in their ideology.

But there's always hope...


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Truly, "Ty"...what is this? Self-loathing? It's bizarre.

It is what is referred to as an opinion you "lying sack of shit"

Plus I have to admit it's fun rubbing your snout in it.

I find it almost as enjoyable as your projection. Hahahahaha...



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And now.

A response in relation to your "evidence"?

You got nothing. It's all made up bullshit.

And your opinion based on your "deep reading" of the reporting.

Fuck you. Idiot.

Deep reading?

WTF are you talking about now?

Ur a nut, saying nutty shit.

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Deep reading?

WTF are you talking about now?

Ur a nut, saying nutty shit.

Speaking of nutty shit. Deep.

Picture of Thomas "Ty" Beaham
posted 17 June 2023 00:43 Hide Post
If I did that Steve, I would need a conspiracy therapist like 2 folks in this thread...

Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.

Its not that I don't understand that differing media Outlets have differing thresholds for veracity, it's that I do not consider those Outlets news. They're opinionists, selling ad space.

I prefer to glean my current events elsewhere, and where possible straight from the horse's mouth.

Not that I don't look at a wide compilation to get a sense of what differing views have to offer, I do. However, much of the time what I find is, as you have alluded, bias.

Frankly, I find no difference between "The View" and "The Five" besides the fact that I would rather stick forks in my eyes than look at that hideous Joy Behar.

You having a "thing" for Joy Behar,

doesn't surprise me.

What else is bothering you Mike?

Oh and BTW, if you haven't figured it out by now, that post was in reply to Steve SKB Bertram's post about media bias...


.

In any event, the facts are these right now:


1. Grassley and Comer have been yapping about Biden taking bribes and acting like they have affidavits and witnesses to testify about it.

2. There is no evidence to support any of those allegations. I'm sorry, but if they had some proof, do you not think they would have rolled it out by now?

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
You having a "thing" for Joy Behar,

doesn't surprise me.

What else is bothering you Mike?


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Those morning shows drive me crazy.

Kentucky Rep. James Comer, who chairs the House Oversight Committee, has admitted no one had had any contact for three years with an alleged key source in its investigation into the Biden family business dealings.

But, hey don’t let that slow you down.

Grassley must have just woke up from his nap in 2020 and thought he better shout the ‘news’!

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Kentucky Rep. James Comer, who chairs the House Oversight Committee, has admitted no one had had any contact for three years with an alleged key source in its investigation into the Biden family business dealings.

But, hey don’t let that slow you down.

Grassley must have just woke up from his nap in 2020 and thought he better shout the ‘news’!

Because you and me are liars.

You forgot one you nut...

3. There is no verifiable source in this universe no matter what Mike Mitchell says that corroborates his claim that Senator Grassley said that he had heard the tapes.


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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
You forgot one you nut...

3. There is no verifiable source in this universe no matter what Mike Mitchell says that corroborates his claim that Senator Grassley said that he had heard the tapes.


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Agree and acknowledged. Apologized for the statement. I didn't source the statement and agreed with something that turned out not to be correct. My bad.

What are you getting out of this?

And, by the way.

What tapes would those be?

The ones that your totally reliable Senator Grassley says he doesn't even know if they exist?

Those tapes?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, so just to bring things back around to where we started.

Where are those recordings of Biden taking a bribe? "Ty"?

Where is that affidavit stating he took a bribe? "Ty"?

Where are the missing witnesses on all this per Comer? "Ty"?

I'm thinking they are hidden with Hunter's laptop. Or with that affidavit that "Ty" thinks means so much but that nobody has ever seen and who Chuck Grassley has now stated that he doesn't even know if it exists. Or, maybe with all the "evidence" that indicated Hillary should be indicted but she never was.

It seems like republicans keep misplacing evidence. Or, they make it up as they go along.

So..."Ty"

Where is all this information you rely on?

Again. "ty"

Not to repeat myself but.....

Hold on, standby,

Lemme call my guy at the FBI.


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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Hold on, standby,

Lemme call my guy at the FBI.


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So, nothing.

Liar.

Ur nuts!

Affidavit?

WTF are you talking about now?

I mentioned no affidavit.

Matter of fact Mike you might take note that I have nowhere in this thread taken a political side, made a judgment call about the oversight investigation or the evidence or the lack of evidence or the veracity of any evidence other than mentioning to SKB that with the FBI's gas lighting and stonewalling Congress, I have very little to no confidence in this investigation going forward.

I took exception with your mistake because it was bullshit, and when pointed out, you doubled down on stupid rather than correct your mistake. That made you a liar. Deal with it.

THAT is how misinformation starts.

There are a number of folks in the ARPF who know that I am neither a Trump or Biden guy and I've pointed this out to you personally a number of times Mike but it just doesn't stick apparently,
and honestly why would it I don't post in here that much but the point is I walk to the beat of a different drummer in this forum.

Sometimes I'll agree with you and Tumbleweed sometimes I don't.

Sometimes I'll agree with Dr Easter and Jtex and sometimes I don't.

But I find it interesting that the two latter gentlemen mentioned never reply to me with some expletive or make wholesale claims that I'm "this or that" when I disagree with them.

A little civility goes a long ways.

BTW Mike, I wasn't looking for an apology, so please forgive me if
I mistook your passive agressive
" you fucking trumptard asshat " as anything but.

And before you get a chance to point a finger at Regor and say whatabout, I'll opine he's here as a result of the rampant incivility in this forum. He's a symptom, not the cause.


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quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, so just to bring things back around to where we started.

Where are those recordings of Biden taking a bribe? "Ty"?

Where is that affidavit stating he took a bribe? "Ty"?

Where are the missing witnesses on all this per Comer? "Ty"?

I'm thinking they are hidden with Hunter's laptop. Or with that affidavit that "Ty" thinks means so much but that nobody has ever seen and who Chuck Grassley has now stated that he doesn't even know if it exists. Or, maybe with all the "evidence" that indicated Hillary should be indicted but she never was.

It seems like republicans keep misplacing evidence. Or, they make it up as they go along.

So..."Ty"

Where is all this information you rely on?

Again. "ty"

Again, do the tapes exist?

it looks like they do (or did). Why? The 1023 is old, much older than the recently discovered shell company laundering scheme and the millions deposited therein. Is it just a coincidence that the “10 years to find the money” Gordian knot part of the 1023 is now discovered to be corroborated? Could be… but add the use of the term “Big Guy” in the 1023 and just coincidence becomes less likely… then add the entire laptop with its schedule of payments to, among others, the Big Guy. (Yes, there is a typed payment schedule to Joe, a/k/a The Big Guy on the New York Times verified Hunter laptop). The chronology of discovery takes the veracity of the allegations of the informant from “maybe” to certainty. To be anything else than truthful the informant would have had to know what would be on the laptop, known a drug-hazed Hunter would leave it with someone capable to decipher its contents and not act like present “see no evil” Democrat Senators and get it to the FBI (though they actively are still trying to hide its contents), that the House Republicans would find the shell companies existence, a whistleblower would sacrifice his career to give Sen. Grassley an un-redacted 1023, Babalosky (sp?) would became public with the same story even not knowing of the 1023…. And it goes on.
Finally, the informant has been vouched for by the FBI as one of the best and has received over $200,000.00 in the past for accurate information. Why would he jeopardize his income stream by lying about tapes.. and clearly verified now, all of the other info in the 1023 has, in time, been proved truthful.

Joe, on TV this week parroted Richard Nixon by angrily saying “I’m not a criminal”. He also challenged the press to find the money. Somewhere there’s a Woodward or Bernstein whose going to make him eat those words (and some posters will be eating alphabet soup, too.)

So, from separate sources, none related or dependent on the other, the information in the 1023 has been verified.



JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

I will agree with Shiff, and Grassley that I dont like the families profiting from political office holders. But, the fact remains, until there is a conviction of criminal activity, this is all shit slinging by both parties.
If Shiff had the proof he claimed he had, the Mueller report would not have claimed there was no criminal conspiracy.
Both sides seem to see things that are not there, and crow from the highest perch they have proof.
I think both sides are so crooked they couldnt walk straight. But continue on with your beliefs of one is "less" crooked, so that makes it OK.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I will agree with Shiff, and Grassley that I dont like the families profiting from political office holders. But, the fact remains, until there is a conviction of criminal activity, this is all shit slinging by both parties.
If Shiff had the proof he claimed he had, the Mueller report would not have claimed there was no criminal conspiracy.
Both sides seem to see things that are not there, and crow from the highest perch they have proof.
I think both sides are so crooked they couldnt walk straight. But continue on with your beliefs of one is "less" crooked, so that makes it OK.

Hmmmmm. Just shit slinging?
The “Big Guy “ must be Chris Christie, instead. The laptop was a Russian plant (regardless that even if the NYT has verified its authenticity) and the money being laundered into 20 shell companies as proven by subpoenaed and received bank records were spontaneously shat by the bank-record fairy.
Loyalty to someone who does not deserve is not a virtue. That goes for anyone whether an “R” or a “D” by their name.
All of us leave me a little confused. There are more than a dozen Republicans running against Trump because they do not believe he should be president again. So far, the Democrats (like organized labor, and multiple senators and representatives) refuse to support an alternative to “the “real “Big Guy”.
Gizzard!

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I will agree with Shiff, and Grassley that I dont like the families profiting from political office holders. But, the fact remains, until there is a conviction of criminal activity, this is all shit slinging by both parties.
If Shiff had the proof he claimed he had, the Mueller report would not have claimed there was no criminal conspiracy.
Both sides seem to see things that are not there, and crow from the highest perch they have proof.
I think both sides are so crooked they couldnt walk straight. But continue on with your beliefs of one is "less" crooked, so that makes it OK.

Judge, I'm saying, until charges are proven in court, it's politics at it's worst. And both sides are guilty of it.

The standard of whom you should vote for is not criminal liability, but character, honesty and agenda. The first two being at least as important as the third. We all live in one country, and as the pledge of allegiance says “ indivisible”. Why are the parties supporting candidates that discourage that principle. You don’t have to vote for someone you don’t trust, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. We’re not sheep. We can discern. A whole lot of folks need to stop defending the obvious and start discerning. JMHO

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Judge, I'm saying, until charges are proven in court, it's politics at its worst. And both sides are guilty of it.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The standard of whom you should vote for is not criminal liability, but character, honesty and agenda. The first two being at least as important as the third. We all live in one country, and as the pledge of allegiance says “ indivisible”. Why are the parties supporting candidates that discourage that principle. You don’t have to vote for someone you don’t trust, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. We’re not sheep. We can discern. A whole lot of folks need to stop defending the obvious and start discerning. JMHO

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Judge, I'm saying, until charges are proven in court, it's politics at its worst. And both sides are guilty of it.

+1, we’ll said.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The standard of whom you should vote for is not criminal liability, but character, honesty and agenda. The first two being at least as important as the third. We all live in one country, and as the pledge of allegiance says “ indivisible”. Why are the parties supporting candidates that discourage that principle. You don’t have to vote for someone you don’t trust, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. We’re not sheep. We can discern. A whole lot of folks need to stop defending the obvious and start discerning. JMHO

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Originally posted by theback40:
Judge, I'm saying, until charges are proven in court, it's politics at its worst. And both sides are guilty of it.

Honesty and a politician are like mixing oil and water, especially for one that has risen to a shot at the office of the Presidency.

Out of curiosity, who in your opinion had the most of it in the modern era?

The only presidential candidate (and then president) that I knew (know) well enough to actually say that I have sufficient personal knowledge to respond to your inquiry, is Jimmy Carter.
I have been fortunate (because of where I live and family ties) to be able to talk to him, his family members, his attorney general, Chief of Staff, congressional liaison and Pat Caddell (his pollster and confidant. This contact occurred much more often after he was defeated by Ronald Reagan than before. That said, I knew and communicated with him when he was in the Georgia legislature, was governor, and also when he was the president. Did stuff like sit with him at his 4th of July family picnics, etc. somewhere, I have a telegram where he asked me to be on council when he was first elected in Georgia governor.

I think Jimmy Carter, and those around him, had every intention to be honest and thought they were consistently so. If you read something into my above sentence, feel free to do so.

I wrote a bunch of other stuff about who the best and the worst were, but I really didn’t have time to do anything but give my first impressions, and I’d rather think about it a little bit more to try to be fair to the folks whose politics I disagree with and probably colored my opinions in assessing their honesty.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The only presidential candidate (and then president) that I knew (know) well enough to actually say that I have sufficient personal knowledge to respond to your inquiry, is Jimmy Carter.
I have been fortunate (because of where I live and family ties) to be able to talk to him, his family members, his attorney general, Chief of Staff, congressional liaison and Pat Caddell (his pollster and confidant. This contact occurred much more often after he was defeated by Ronald Reagan than before. That said, I knew and communicated with him when he was in the Georgia legislature, was governor, and also when he was the president. Did stuff like sit with him at his 4th of July family picnics, etc. somewhere, I have a telegram where he asked me to be on council when he was first elected in Georgia governor.

I think Jimmy Carter, and those around him, had every intention to be honest and thought they were consistently so. If you read something into my above sentence, feel free to do so.

I wrote a bunch of other stuff about who the best and the worst were, but I really didn’t have time to do anything but give my first impressions, and I’d rather think about it a little bit more to try to be fair to the folks whose politics I disagree with and probably colored my opinions in assessing their honesty.

I appreciate your insight and it might surprise you that I agree.

Jimmy was a very bright man and kind from what I've read. He was just to kind and honest for the office of Presidency in my opinion.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The only presidential candidate (and then president) that I knew (know) well enough to actually say that I have sufficient personal knowledge to respond to your inquiry, is Jimmy Carter.
I have been fortunate (because of where I live and family ties) to be able to talk to him, his family members, his attorney general, Chief of Staff, congressional liaison and Pat Caddell (his pollster and confidant. This contact occurred much more often after he was defeated by Ronald Reagan than before. That said, I knew and communicated with him when he was in the Georgia legislature, was governor, and also when he was the president. Did stuff like sit with him at his 4th of July family picnics, etc. somewhere, I have a telegram where he asked me to be on council when he was first elected in Georgia governor.

I think Jimmy Carter, and those around him, had every intention to be honest and thought they were consistently so. If you read something into my above sentence, feel free to do so.

I wrote a bunch of other stuff about who the best in the worst were, but I really didn’t have time to do anything but give my first impressions, and I’d rather think about it a little bit more to try to be fair to the folks whose politics I disagree with, maybe colored were my opinions of their honesty.

Wow! Really great stuff!

In a lot of ways I think Carter preferable to all of our executives after Reagan.

We had respect and a measure of faith, trust and belief in our system, government and "rulers" and now it's seems gone.

I remember Carter's term well. We disagreed with and voted against Jimmy based on policy and politics only. I don't think America questioned his honesty or integrity we just didn't like his governance.

I remember it, we were there. We can get back there.

I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

I think it was "W".
Clinton was a liar to be sure, but he had some fiscal virtue. As I said above, we could mostly disagree with Clinton on governance. I suppose it could be argued that Clintons dishonesty paved the way for future executives.

As Ive said many times, I like "W". However I believe Georges two arbitrary failed wars drew bright red partisan battle lines for America to divide over. It was worse than Vietnam. "Baby Killers", anti Muslim, foreign adventurism, American exceptionalism, "Introducing Democracy", "Fighting them over there so we don't fight them here!".

What a failure.

Americans had easy to find dozens of reasons to fight amongst themselves. War dead, war casualties, war cost. Abu Graib prison and desecrating the Koran. Draw a picture of Mohammed and get your head cut off.
The list goes on and there was not one executive in the next two decades that chose to succeed in The War on Terror. Yes, it was a choice.

Obama took office over a divided nation and it got worse, trump took office and the nation further divided. That petulant child Heym refers to "the Faction" like he's talking about Jews or blacks.

Not a single person here really believes Biden offers any actual leadership but we say, "anybody but Trump!" and aren't quite wrong.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

Cruz is a snake, I was a big fan early on. Kasich is cut from the same RINO cloth, both career politicians.

When I started to see the way the CIA Deep State mockingbird media was attacking Trump, I KNEW I had my man. My favorite move was when he pulled out of the Paris Accord, it was glorious!!!

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking care of the planet and holding corporations accountable who don't, but "Climate Change" is all about control, just like Covid was.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

I think it was "W".
Clinton was a liar to be sure, but he had some fiscal virtue. As I said above, we could mostly disagree with Clinton on governance. I suppose it could be argued that Clintons dishonesty paved the way for future executives.

As Ive said many times, I like "W". However I believe Georges two arbitrary failed wars drew bright red partisan battle lines for America to divide over. It was worse than Vietnam. "Baby Killers", anti Muslim, foreign adventurism, American exceptionalism, "Introducing Democracy", "Fighting them over there so we don't fight them here!".

What a failure.

Americans had easy to find dozens of reasons to fight amongst themselves. War dead, war casualties, war cost. Abu Graib prison and desecrating the Koran. Draw a picture of Mohammed and get your head cut off.
The list goes on and there was not one executive in the next two decades that chose to succeed in The War on Terror. Yes, it was a choice.

Obama took office over a divided nation and it got worse, trump took office and the nation further divided. That petulant child Heym refers to "the Faction" like he's talking about Jews or blacks.

Not a single person here really believes Biden offers any actual leadership but we say, "anybody but Trump!" and aren't quite wrong.

The lesser of two evils is not really an endorsement is it.
And thats an overstatement I know. Imnot really claiming biden is evil. Just that hes not really of the calibre that probably the country needs right now.

quote:

Originally posted by regor:

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking care of the planet and holding corporations accountable who don't, but "Climate Change" is all about control, just like Covid was.

THAT says a lot. It's opinion of course, unfounded, and contradictory.

Is not EPA about taking care of the planet and control?

Are the scientists who have determined that mankind is a significant cause and effect of climate change about control or truth?

People like you value individualism over care for the planet -- hypocrites to the core.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

Not a single person here really believes Biden offers any actual leadership but we say, "anybody but Trump!" and aren't quite wrong.

The lesser of two evils is not really an endorsement is it.
And thats an overstatement I know. Imnot really claiming biden is evil. Just that hes not really of the calibre that probably the country needs right now.

I definitely prefer Biden's "leadership", for whatever it's worth, over the chaos and destruction of Trump. I definitely don't consider it the lesser of two evils. I consider Trumpism evil.

Funny isn't it - there's no such thing as Bidenism?

The left needs improvement. The Right has gone rancid, primarily due to Trump's influence. But the foundation that Trump has hijacked and exploited was there for the taking.

Fascist Fodder.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of think John Kasic might have been more in that line. Definitely think the country would have taken a different path had he been elected rather than Trump or Cruz.

Not a single person here really believes Biden offers any actual leadership but we say, "anybody but Trump!" and aren't quite wrong.

The lesser of two evils is not really an endorsement is it.
And thats an overstatement I know. Imnot really claiming biden is evil. Just that hes not really of the calibre that probably the country needs right now.

I definitely prefer Biden's "leadership", for whatever it's worth, over the chaos and destruction of Trump. I definitely don't consider it the lesser of two evils. I consider Trumpism evil.

Funny isn't it - there's no such thing as Bidenism?

The left needs improvement. The Right has gone rancid, primarily due to Trump's influence. But the foundation that Trump has hijacked and exploited was there for the taking.

Fascist Fodder.

The party of vaccine passports, mandatory vaccines and censorship would be the indication of Fascism there lil buddy............

Good God!!!!!!