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Dr. Easter likes to mitigate Russia by saying China. Well, look at how after the Great War the U.S. failed to be the lender of last resort imposing tariffs. This more than anything allowed the crisis to become the Great Depression. Churchill said. “ There is only one thing worse than fighting with allies, and that is fighting without them." As we remove from the West, and impose these tariffs, Western Europe will look at replacing our markets with South America and Asia. This will isolate us economically and strategically concerning China. The Japanese tried to deal w China alone in the 1931 kicking off WWII. Japan could not. Japan was losing. Yes, we are big. Everyone else is bigger. You take EU members and add Japan the result is 23 trillion to 25 trillion GDP of the U.S. oh, and US GDP shrank Q1 2025. This is the first time since 2022z. A thread is developing. Europe’s GDP grew. So, keep up Texas Contingent and Crbutler. All we are doing is weakening our self. China is stronger for it. | ||
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The U.S. can impose all the tariffs they want, all it will do is cause the rest of the world to circumvent the U.S. in trade. Thats already happening - Trump thinks he’s such a big swinging dick that he commands world trade. All he’s doing is temporarily hindering everyone until they re-establish economies that don’t include him. Sure, for now everyone will smile and nod and blow smoke up his ass, and then in a year or so the world will just stop answering the phone when he calls. The U.S. doesn’t have anything that we all can’t get elsewhere, and from people we can trust. The wheels are already in motion. | |||
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The swinging dick?? One of his ex whores said he has a mini dick! I suppose that is why he is being a bully now he is in a position he can. Except, of course, when he techies orders from his master, NitanHitler! To bomb Iran! | |||
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Trump commands this forum. He should put a tariff on every time his name gets mentioned. He’s all that matters. USA USA USA  | |||
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Losers always glorify losers!  | |||
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The only thing Trump commands is your mind, and the minds of your fellow MAGAts. The rest of us recognize him as a dangerous megalomaniac, a bully who has the tax dollars of 340 million people at his disposal with which to wreak havoc on the world. https://youtu.be/QxYmm5yCJBg?si=IAmahX81sXmzUAxH | |||
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Companies are investing hundreds of billions in building plants and factories in the US to locally produce. This will create jobs, and looks great for the US. But...is the US prepared for hundreds of thousands of low-paid factory jobs? Especially since they don't let those who want to do those jobs in, and actively kick those people out actually. This will then mean they have to increase the wages in those factories, which will make the factories in Asia more attractive again, even with import tariffs. Where will it end? | |||
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Most high tech factories aren't low paying jobs. They are usually above the median regional labor wage rate. Henry Ford got that part right opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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They are in China. Which is kinda the point. | |||
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You can't escape the fact that trying to do everything here will make it cost more. And spare me the jobs crap as well. New factories automate everything possible. Far more jobs will be lost thru trade loss than gained by tariffs. | |||
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Then why has John Deere ran to Mexico? https://foodtank.com/news/2025...%20next%2010%20years. | |||
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You missed a turn, I think. I was responding to bashpeter saying US Based factory jobs... to which everything I said is accurate opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Have you seen any evidence of that beyond Trump saying it? Because if it’s only him saying it, there’s a 99% chance it’s bullshit. | |||
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Well, goodness , thanks for clearing that up. I mean, Japan is investing 3/4 of trillion dollars in factories in the us.. you might call them up and tell them how stupid they are. Honey, it can't cost more without the paired jobs to drive the increase. I bet that sounded better in your head, close enough opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yeah, we hear ya Jeffy https://foodtank.com/news/2025...%20next%2010%20years. And history says you're full of shit anyway. | |||
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https://engineerine.com/honda-production-shifting-us/ https://carbuzz.com/mclaren-port-baltimore-upgrade/ https://engineerine.com/honda-production-shifting-us/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news...-after-meeting-trump https://www.hyundai.com/worldw...nvestment-0000000918 https://backintimetoday.com/15...id-tariff-pressures/ Includes: Apple, GM, Ford, Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Samsung, LG, TSMC, Intel, Rolls Royce and others | |||
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Most high tech factories have relatively few jobs for their footprint and value. The total wages paid are likely lower than in low tech factories with many jobs. That's kind of the point of high tech factories. | |||
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Yes and no. The server factory thats being built in NW Houston is slated to bring in 2k permanent jobs, post construction. Data centers, though, tend to have fewer PERM and DIRECT employees, and thousands in support/contract roles... roughly the same ratio as oilfield chemical plants. Creating thousands of construction/ build jobs, which are somewhat migratory in nature, and then thousands of good paying factory jobs. They are good paying because the companies use keeping a great job as leverage Ziprecruiter says high tech factory jobs in the USA range from 32 to 48 per hour for skilled workers. A friend of mine was at the Intel factory in Dallas, making more money there than as a journeyman welder. Sure, sample set of one. But these aren't $10 an hour job... they pay above median wages and always higher than prevaling wages. Though maybe not as high as the top of the chemicals plants. Way back when I was in college, i applied for an "operator" role... a role that MOST employees grossed over 100k with overtime. "Hey, chatgpt, finish this building for me" yeah opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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We had an entire thread on JD and there are still idiots repeating JD moved . 2 plants that had planned to shut down for several years due to low volume, moved to a mexican plant already in production. 48 others are going strong in the US with 2 billion in expansion planned. | |||
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Again, read it. Just like in that thread you are incorrect as production has moved. In 2024, John Deere cut 2,167 jobs at facilities in Iowa and Illinois, including Waterloo, Davenport, Dubuque, Ankeny, Ottumwa, Moline, and East Moline, according to Investigate Midwest. Layoffs have continued into 2025—nearly 200 workers were let go in Iowa during the first week of January alone, and 386 employees have been laid off statewide since the start of the year. At the Ankeny plant, 119 workers out of about 1,500 were laid off between March and April. Deere has attributed the layoffs to a “weakened farm economy” and a drop in customer demand, stating the job cuts were unrelated to production shifts abroad. At the same time, John Deere announced in June last year that it was moving its skid steer and track loader manufacturing from a facility in Dubuque, Iowa, to a new facility in Ramos, Mexico, by the end of 2026. Deere told KCRG, an ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, that workers in Dubuque will be affected as some construction and forestry business will go to the Mexican factory. The number of related layoffs in Dubuque, according to Deere, will depend on production levels, attrition, and Deere’s ability to reassign certain workers for other roles by 2026. New facility Mexico 2026. Of course, Trump threatened a big tariff. It is actually 2 plants. In response to the announcement, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump threatened to impose a 200 percent tariff on Deere equipment made in Mexico if the company moved its manufacturing there. He later claimed that Deere canceled its offshoring plans in response, but the company said it had not changed its plans and has shown no signs of backing down. In November, John Deere confirmed its plans to build a US$55 million plant in Nuevo León, Mexico to manufacture mini track loaders and mini wheel loaders, according to reports from Mexico Now and Mexico Daily News. Gecimar Morini, Deere’s regional manager for Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean, said the project would move forward “regardless” of political developments in the U.S., with operations scheduled to begin in 2026. | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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And still building those factories and laying off in 2025 of you want to quote the whole article. The Regime’s international trade policy did nothing to reverse. On Thursday, automaker Stellantis, citing conditions created by Trump's tariffs, announced temporary layoffs for 900 workers, represented by the United Auto Workers (UAW). "The affected U.S. employees," reported CNN, "work at five different Midwest plants: the Warren Stamping and Sterling Stamping plants in Michigan, as well as the Indiana Transmission Plant, Kokomo Transmission Plant and Kokomo Casting Plant, all in Kokomo, Indiana." No wonder President Trump wants to break PBS. But what Bessent didn't say is U.S. manufacturers are also paying much of that toll. "We're getting squeezed from all sides," said Justin Johnson, president of Jordan Manufacturing Co. in Belding, Michigan, northeast of Grand Rapids. His grandfather founded the company in 1949. The company, which makes parts used by Amazon warehouses, auto companies and aerospace firms, has seen the price of a key raw material — steel coil — rise 5% to 10% this year. Trump has imposed 50% tariffs on imported steel and aluminum. Jordan Manufacturing doesn't buy foreign steel. But by crippling foreign competition, Trump's tariffs have allowed domestic U.S. steelmakers to hike prices. Johnson doesn't blame them. "There's no red-blooded capitalist who isn't going to raise his prices" under those circumstances, he said. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/a...a-new-analysis-finds Tariffs, the only winners are Asian producers. Everyone pays. | |||
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To say JD moved to mexico is like saying, when I threw out my old shoes I have no more clothes to wear. It's like claiming eggs are $18 a dozen, just dishonest reporting. | |||
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