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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . why don't you list them for him? Please try to be cogent.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Let’s spell it out…

I’m not voting for Harris. Period.

I will vote write in/third party in all likelihood… but in MN, it’s probably a nonissue and the state’s votes will go democrat.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and he runs away from the challenge yet again. Perhaps we having the makings of a new Olympic sport for LA since you seem so disenchanted with the current make up of the Olympics.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Nope, sorry Mike. Quemala is a terrible choice. But we are in texas, so it doesn't matter how we vote. I voted for ONE winning president.. I guessed "right" on GW the first time, but that went worse than i would have imagined... but have voted 3rd party ever since.

You can't comprehend this isn't my problem.. that's in your head and your issue.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and he runs away from the challenge yet again. Perhaps we having the makings of a new Olympic sport for LA since you seem so disenchanted with the current make up of the Olympics.

Hey, Ted isn't running for potus.. why don't you rip off the veeps stellar accomplishment since taking office.. it shouldn't take long

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Nope, sorry Mike. Quemala is a terrible choice. But we are in texas, so it doesn't matter how we vote. I voted for ONE winning president.. I guessed "right" on GW the first time, but that went worse than i would have imagined... but have voted 3rd party ever since.

You can't comprehend this isn't my problem.. that's in your head and your issue.

Again, you make this claim repeatedly so you don't look like an idiot for supporting trump. I get it. You're smarter than most trumptards and supporting him is embarrassing.

You post incessantly about how bad any Dem is for POTUS but I've missed all your posts criticizing trump...other than the generic statement that you don't support him.

Where are all of your public criticisms of trump and why you won't vote for him? I haven't seen them.

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Originally posted by Kensco:

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I really don’t think you can call yourself a Republican and support Harris.

I think you can.

If you actually think that…you are obtuse.

You can't call Trump a Republican. He's a RINO. He stands for nothing that was ever a part of the Republican ethos. Trump merely stole the name and raped the party.

Is that a joke or what? He is for small government, for low regulation, pro business, low taxes, pro-police, and strong military. You just never understand who made up the majority of the party.

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Originally posted by Kensco:

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In the Rio Grande Valley…Trump will even likely turn some traditional blue counties red this coming November.

Only if the corrupt GOP in Texas is successful in suppressing the ability of many citizens to vote.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Lane,

Like you I was raised on a ranch only in Montana not Texas and I learned early on that a person man or women is judged by their action and deeds not by what other people say or think they are. I have heard everything under the sun about Trump good and bad and take all that with a grain of salt. I have watched what he did as the president and afterword and those deeds leave me very disillusioned with him. I did vote for him the last two times, the first time willingly and the second time because I did not like Biden. This time I just cannot. I am an independent voter but looking back at my voting choices I have voted Rep about 80% of the time so I would guess that would make me more conservative than liberal although there are some things that I fully agree with on the Dem side of the isle.

Like I have said in other posts if the Reps had run just about anyone else besides Trump I would have voted for them but I just cannot bring myself to vote for him again. I respect your loyalty to the Reps but that is not me I do not vote by party I vote for the person. I think being 100% loyal to one party is not good if the candidate is not a person you want in the office. I think both party's are way to strong and need to be reeled back a little bit.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I would love to have someone ask Cruz to list his top ten legislative accomplishments in the Senate . . . not playing defense but what has he accomplished offensively. I bet the man would struggle to list five.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Rest my case. You're perfectly comfortable talking shit on Harris in dozens of posts but wont say one thing bad about trump....while claiming you disavow him.

It's bullshit.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and he runs away from the challenge yet again. Perhaps we having the makings of a new Olympic sport for LA since you seem so disenchanted with the current make up of the Olympics.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Let’s spell it out…

I’m not voting for Harris. Period.

I will vote write in/third party in all likelihood… but in MN, it’s probably a nonissue and the state’s votes will go democrat.

I love all these guys who recognize that it is impossible to publicly defend trump because he is a piece of shit and then claim they are writing in somebody else. You and Lane.

You're gonna vote for trump. And, you know it. Just admit it and try to wipe the tar off yourself in the morning.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I get republicans who refuse to support Trump… I’m one of them…

I really don’t think you can call yourself a Republican and support Harris.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
if Harris wins I hope you like what you get by not voting

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Originally posted by nute:
I don’t understand how a vote can be “wasted”, just because it’s not for the winning candidate.

Every vote sends a message, however small.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
if Harris wins I hope you like what you get by not voting

I did not say I was not voting, I said I was not voting for Trump. I also do not think voting for a third party is a good idea because to me that it is a wasted vote so that means I will vote for Harris. Do NOT confuse the fact that I am going to vote for Harris as an endorsement for her, because it is not, I just cannot vote for Trump so she is the only other choice.

The POTUS is not God and cannot do all these things they all say they can. The actual power of the government resides in the congressmen and the senators. This is simply untrue. The executive branch is by far the most powerful branch of our government. The bureaucracy (under exec control) runs the country. With these two split between the two parties they are in a dead lock and basically nothing gets done. With the deadlock the POTUS's hands are tied and He/She cannot get much done. We have seen that for pretty much the last 3 terms. Come and visit my ranch in the Rio Grande Valley if you want to see the power the executive branch holds. I do not see that changing anytime soon so I really do not think it makes a bit of difference who wins, Trump or Harris nothing substantial is going to get done, we are going to get 4 more years of stalemate and that is not a bad thing because doing nothing is better than doing bad.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Lane,

I am not trying to be a smart ass here but can you explain what you mean by see what the executive branch did to my ranch. I honestly would like to know because I do not understand what you are talking about. Can you give me some examples?

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Thank you for the reply at least I understand what you are seeing and do appreciate the issues you are having.

I am trying to looking at this objectively. While Trump was in office he tried hard to curb illegals crossing the border but had limited success. Fallacy…It was night to day different under Trump. Yep it was going…as it always has to some extent but the last 3.5 went from a drip drip drip to turning on a fire-hose. Most of the stuff he tried was cut off at the knees by the Dems so all he could do was try some executive orders that had limited success. Biden also tied to do something about the illegals but was cut down by the Reps so he also tried some executive orders again with limited success. I will agree that Trump tried harder than Biden and Biden was very slow to try anything but at least he did try.

I will agree that Trump was better at curbing it but not by a lot because the senate and congress could not agree on any bipartition legislation to make a meaningful impact no matter who was the POTUS. That is why I say the major power to make meaningful changes (on most big issues) resided in the senate and congress not in the president.

I truly do hope that something can be done, no matter who gets to be the president, to help you with the illegals because that is definitely a serios problem.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I get republicans who refuse to support Trump… I’m one of them…

I really don’t think you can call yourself a Republican and support Harris.

100%^^^

It would be the most progressive liberal administration the US has ever seen.

It amazes me that the idea of supporting her is even floated on a hunting/shooting forum.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I fully believe illegal immigration is up far above previous levels. I also see the failing economies in Central and South America as the biggest change. What a mess, between the gangs and failing business environment, I would want out as well. It does not make it right, nor should we allow it, but I sure see why they want a different life for themselves and their families.

We will see Lane, I'm certainly skeptical Harris can win enough swing states to seal the deal. That said, Trump seems like he has a real battle on his hands and does not seem all that prepared to pivot towards his new opponent, when he can remember who he is running against that is. Understandable at his advanced age, why he is the oldest person to ever receive the nomination from a major party. Quite concerning don't you think?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Not true

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While I get republicans who refuse to support Trump… I’m one of them…

I really don’t think you can call yourself a Republican and support Harris.

100%^^^

It would be the most progressive liberal administration the US has ever seen.

It amazes me that the idea of supporting her is even floated on a hunting/shooting forum.

It amazes me that the idea of supporting a seditionist would be floated on any forum.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
My values do not support Jan 6, a Armstrong Commander in Chief allowing a violent mob to assault the Constitution to stay in power, a defeated President directing his VP to unconstitutionally decertify an election, vote for a man who claimed the election was stolen when the Courts and his own lawyers told him otherwise, nor a men who called for the Constitution to be suspended and his return to power.