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You also need to remember what the IQ test was developed as… A test to determine the likelihood of someone being able to complete a bachelors degree if they were given the opportunity. An education in the classic sense is good for you. A degree is not necessarily a positive for one. The trouble is defining what an education is. Shanks by his statement is educated, regardless of his degree status. Many engineers are not educated even though they have degrees and are brilliant in their field. That is something of an issue with foreign medical graduates often… their schooling was entirely the practice of medicine leading to holes in their general knowledge. Fundamentally to be educated, you need to be curious and have the ability to satisfy your curiosity. All a degree is is proof that you completed a certain course of study that the institution granting the degree decided met criteria. | |||
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Why, you silly boy! A thought experiment is not a demand. You graduated from Trump University right? | |||
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I have no qualms w Shankspony observations. I am reminded of my FIL. He barely finished high school. Until fairly recently he could have set for a Practical Engineering Card just like a B.S. who went to college for engineering based on his years of experience in contacting. He never did. We were taking about it one day. I told him, “ Yeah, but when you can hire them, you don’t need to be one.” Can he do what I do professionally? No. Can I do what he did? No, and I told him that. Here is where a formal education is good for anyone. The ability to ignore the news go to the source, read and understand it yourself. For civics, I consider a legal education bar none superior. For fixing a tractor, a legal education is worthless. Hierarchy of needs. Sadly, I do believe people place too much emphasis on the basic needs. Some would say I place to too much emphasis on the ideals, and my position in life, such as it is, permits me to do so. It is a clash of society. It always will be. The best we can do is to be mindful of the clash. Sadly, I know more than a few lawyers who have met their intellect, minds, decay. | |||
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Population is population. If cows and grass voted, all that red would mean more. Sine our system honors one person, one vote those red voters are not more nor more American than the blue. There vote does not count more. | |||
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College and University students are pre-selected on the basis of attributes related to IQ, so it's a given that the general population of those students will share higher IQs. Yes there are geniuses who didn't attend a college or university, lots of them. I've worked with a few and learned from them, people a lot smarter than I. The internet is a fire hose of knowledge (and misinformation) to sort, and formal education is at a point of re-evaluation. The IQ test itself was conceived in France as a way to do educational triage, a sorting method to decide who to educate further and who to send to the fields with a short hoe. The sons of nobles wouldn't generally end up in the fields in any case, but would have an advantage due to their schooling. The questions are aimed at general knowledge and problem solving ("Liberal Arts" => knowledge and skills that every free citizen should possess). It grades on a curve. An IQ of 100 is the midpoint of the bell curve, and tells us little about the magnitude of the tested mind, only the rank among the tested population at the time it's taken. Half of us are above 100, half of us are below. It would be interesting to know whether our scores improve with age and experience, and degrade in our dotage. How well we measure ability with our tests is something to ponder. How do you measure ability in the unschooled mind? If we're discussing math, the educated mind is a lot easier to measure than a natural genius who hasn't studied the subject. Ditto for science, and more so. Later in life, when real-life success and failures are more visible it's not that hard. At the end of the teen years it's a hard dollar. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Damn I love you. | |||
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Thanks brother, love you to opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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nah, my interest lay in other areas than attending get rich quick real estate seminars from a for-profit, unaccredited "school", but say, when did you attend? Is that where you learned your elitism, or was there something else that you accredit to it? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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So, you didn't attend trump University? | |||
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LMAO -- are you unsure that "nah" is a slang way to indicate negative? okay, close enough, you might finish that cup of coffee opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Of course I'm an elitist--if that means speaks the truth, no matter how politically incorrect. I deserve the term and embrace it. I have two post-graduate degrees, and I EARNED them. No one gave them to me. They didn't come easily. I had to work hard for them, and my wife and I made economic sacrifices to get them. I don't take kindly to having my education dismissed as useless or worthless. (Don't get riled, Shanks, I'm not talking about you.) Why don't more people in the US respect education, as they do in most of the world? The acquisition of knowledge is a noble endeavor. Instead, there is an ignorant class who treat education with suspicion and contempt. It's just boneheaded stupidity. I'm not going to pretend it's okay, just to be Mr. Popular. You want to know how elitist I can be? I think votes should be weighted according to achievement and merit. An uneducated moron should not have a vote equal to mine. Or yours. If the great unwashed have taught us anything this year, it's that they can't be trusted to vote rationally. They're willing to put the nuclear codes in the hands of an insurrestionist who violated his oath of office, a criminal who was convicted of fraud. Trump's background and actions should have been disqualifying immediately, regardless of policy. That'how a more moral population would have handled it, back in the 1950s some yearn for. You should get an extra vote for having a college degree. Overall, those with degrees contribute more than Joe Moron to our taxes and society. You should get an extra vote for starting or running a business (including a farm or ranch), since you contribute more to society and taxes. You should get an extra vote for completing military service honorably. You should get an extra vote for investing X amount of dollars. They also contribute more than Joe. There are other extra vote situations I would support, but can't think of at the moment. Recall that conservatives like to remind us we're a republic, not a democracy. They're right. Okay--fire away. | |||
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nah, good on you for owning it. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Roland You're probably a fan of Starship Troopers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers | |||
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I, who am virtually uneducated, am starting to feel pretty inferior, let me tell you! I note that Roland does give me some credit for my military service; that's good. I have a brother with 2 degrees. I know damn well I have paid more in taxes than he ever will. Despite my being handicapped with no post-secondary education, I own my own home (I built the damn thing). I live debt free, because I have always embraced fiscal conservatism. I do have to kind of agree with Roland. Some people don't deserve a vote. Welfare recipients, drug addicts, alcoholics, people who deny proven science, gang members, people who buy labradoodles, these are all people who probably shouldn't have a say. Seriously, I admire people who have accomplished anything of note. I do think there are many who expect more recognition than is their due, however. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Damn straight on the Labradoodle owners! | |||
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Roland, I also have a couple degrees, and bucking for a PhD, while i also grew up extremely farm/blue collar, and I am just as proud of my certs as I am of my degrees - the degrees were earned to get the elitists to even entertain my CV, in jobs i have done - I earned them, I paid for them, both the certs and degrees - but me having a degree or rank, to ME, means so much LESS to me than my experiences and helping other people up along the way. Thursday, a young lady that I was able to advocate for, sent me a thank you letter that made me weep, for helping lift her up, giving her a chance (with no degree) and giving her a chance when no one else would. THAT means more to me than any degree, cert, or even my EARNED blackbelts. I am just a father, grand father, and just a guy - the ONLY time i "whip out" my degrees is when someone asks for a DMC on "cred" Frankly, i do ask "and this person's vote counts as much as mine" in exasperation, rather than asking that I should have a greater say in things than my fellow americans, regardless of background. The rules are simple, it's egalitarian. you might think it's crooked, but it is the only game in town. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don’t bother telling people if I have degree or not or two or three Elitists are the ones who always throw their higher education around to rub it in peoples faces to somehow prove they are better and smarter etc. Rollo is a prime example of that lately I think being good citizen is to work no matter the job they have, paying taxes whatever it may be and respect everyone no matter the accomplishment It is pretty simple and sometimes simple things get lost in translation and respect gets squashed in personal egos I’m really perplexed by Dems who always try to so called Save the disadvantaged people etc. and then they totally turn on them if they even slightly disagree with the… If I was Democrat in todays age, I throw myself into a garbage bin, get recycled and become Republican… | |||
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My unit was sent out over and over on kill or be killed orders. I think my vote should count 4 or 5 times what a fiction writer has!! What a crock of shit. We did what we did, so all Americans can have their vote, whether I agree with them or not. Geezus, how shallow can you get Roland. | |||
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So you're saying you fought for a democracy, not a republic. If you fought so all votes could be equal, how do you reconcile that belief with the electoral college? The electoral college gives more weight to some votes based on where the voters live. I'd rather weight votes in favor of accomplishments and merit than on geography. | |||
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If we give Texas 10 Senators to offset 2 in states like RI, DE, etc etc then we can think about changing the from the electoral college. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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so, elitist AND anti-constitutionalist? have you even read the federalist papers, bro? seems pretty anti-dei, more of a meritocracy, just like Elon is pushing for .. are you sure you aren't Maga? (zing) opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I was happy to fight for all Americans. Is that to hard to understand? | |||
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you rock, man opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Can you tell us please, how killing Vietnamese, or Salvadorans, or Panamanians or Iraqis or Afghans in their own countries equates to Americans having their vote? I don’t suppose there’s any chance that your government fed you a line of bullshit in order to boost the bottom lines of the MIC, is there? Anyway, thank you for your service, I made a killing of my own - on Halliburton! | |||
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That's fine. I appreciate your service on our behalf. But you're addressing a different matter. Fighting for all of us isn't the same as fighting for everyone to have an equal vote (which the EC doesn't allow). I realize my proposal would be wildly unpopular and has no chance of ever being enacted. | |||
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Dickweed, you have no idea where I was sent and what we did. Did I always agree? It doesnt matter, there was always a picture within the picture. You trying to pick out a little piece, to your own end means nothing. | |||
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Rolland, everyone has their own version of equel. You surprise me, I never pegged you for the crybaby attitude you are exhibiting. | |||
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Deepest respect sir.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My father taught me to speak out against wrong. Plenty of Republicans protested and opposed the result of the 2020 election. Why should I cower in silence when I know this 2024 result is wrong? We all will regret this foolish result, I predict. I'm not part of a silent opposition. I'm with noisy, active opposition. Don't talk to me about reconciliation. Trump isn't going to seek reconciliation; by his own words, he's planning revenge--to persecute his political enemies--people who think like me. He wants to further divide the country. Call me whatever. Damned if I go quietly. | |||
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Oh, honey, trust me, we like it when you "don't go quietly" .. but, pray tell, what was wrong with the 2024 election, other than YOU didn't get the result YOU wanted? you should, in your venerability, understand the rules of the game. *I* have never complained about the process of the 2020 election .. not one single time I didn't like the results, as a libertarian wasn't elected ... and, sonny, you DO need to update your "if you don't comply, you are the enemy" mindset ... it's so 1960s .. oh, sweetpea, (looking at DSM 5) tell me again how people that aren't up to your standards have an "inferiority complex" .. here, this might help with your reflection https://www.amazon.com/Diagnos...s%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-1 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I will complain when it happens Rolland. I just dont complain until I have something in front of me to complain about. | |||
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jeffe. Anyone from any branch that makes tier 2 status, with enough time in, can continue to a tier 1 SMU operator. There is a 90% + failure rate to make it. C level sere takes a toll, as it is straight up torture resistance. Someone like dickweed thinking we are sent out randomly is not worth responding to seriously. | |||
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Nothing--if you mean the process. I refuse to play the game the Republicans played in 2020: attempting to camoflage their dislike of the election result by claiming they were cheated. Maybe I'm only better than the Republicans because I won't try to camoflage my motives. If that makes me better; in my book, it does. On Tuesday Americans voted to their coming regret. Historians in the future will look back on this election result with dumfoundment. How could they elect a man with Trump's record and character? they will ask. Papers will be written, academic arguments will ensue. And they may be quite angry at us. | |||
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note: i corrected your misspellings prior to quoting you make it make sense -- i am just a lowly masters degree, working on a phd, so a worthless plebe to YOU -- nah, brother, i get it, none of your degrees involved science or maths (i prefer the british way of saying it), future historians will look at 2024 and ask ONE simple question -- why did 13.5 million dem voters disappear -- oh, sweetpea, i get it, you are the guy that is used to whipping our his degree and demanding he's right .. the only time i even MENTION my degrees is AFTER some chowderhead says "well, i have N degree and i feel...." don't care.. but it's REALLY fun to spin YOU up ... go back to your coffee clutch with close enough and grandma kendra opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hey, highly edumacated headless, at the PEAK of your businesses and management, what's the max number of people you've worked with.... sorry, let me translate that to rolandese... how many people have worked FOR you? me? oh man, just 63, though that was a high point, it's usually 20-35, in global corporations ... which is dang funny, in context, as I had 63 techies working for me, at the world's LARGEST bank, and at the time, i hadn't even finished my bach degree ... shepherding ~60 billion in assets .. heck, honey, what's the largest single project your worked on? Mine was a 20M a year techie project, over 3 and change years (i know maths isn't your thing, that was 60M and change) .. oppsie.. ONE of us has real world, actually impacting roles, and the other ran a private practice in.. checks notes, Alaska ... it's laughable that your try to compare your "real life" experience with mine .. the entire alaska GDP was roughly on par with my managed assets, where I was the CIO in a technical business, without even a single degree poor me, i am sooooooo dumb... truth is, i'd rather sit down and break bread with salt of the earth people, and LEARN from their lived experiences than spend 20 minutes with an over edumacated insufferable boor opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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There you go with the namecalling again. Your assumptions are wrong. But since they're red herrings, I won't chase them. | |||
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Actually, there is still a considerable debate over the definition of IQ, independent of test scores. Exactly what are we measuring? Do the various implementations of the test do an effective job? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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A degree doesn't mean a whole lot. Some of the wisest men I ever met never had one. I hunted with an old bushman in Namibia and he was the best tracker I've ever seen. He wore lion scars that were unmistakable. He had an education that none of us could replicate. He's long dead now. I worked with an old gunsmith that didn't have any degrees, but he taught me a whole lot about gunsmithing, mechanics and life in general. I've hunted with a lot of trackers that have left me with pearls of wisdom that they never learned in any school. And I've hired lawyers who graduated from the best schools who were complete idiots. Wisdom and education are not the same thing. | |||
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I hope you don't think you're arguing with me. I agree with you here. | |||
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You don't even remember your own lies. Go read your posts, which drip with sarcasm and insults. Among other names, you called me an insufferable bore. But whatever. I've been called worse by smarter people. As for calling me brother, yes it does offend me. The best I can say about you is that I would piss on you if I saw you on fire in the gutter, which you seem to make your home. I have a real younger brother your age; he doesn't brag like you do, but he's much more intelligent. | |||
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