I had an interesting discussion yesterday over beers with a buddy who is a die-hard republican. Not a trump guy but, like we see on here, he will vote trump because he just can't bring himself to vote for a Democrat.

His take was that trump disappears as a force in the GOP if he loses his second election in a row. Age, trump fatigue with his never-ending shit-stirring divisiveness and drama, etc.

If trump loses, will he continue to dominate GOP politics?

I think he loses the election, both ways. I hope he and the crazies fade off into the sunset.. did you notice how the war protestors dropped away when Obama won, and the Floyd riots stopped when joe won , but the root causes still remained...

Or the ows protestors, right after obamas midterms? I mean, Oakland did turn the water cannons on them, but poof.. gone right after the election.

I hope trump packs it up and we have an actual centrist republican leadership... can we dig up Reagan and I ject him with whatever they are giving joe and nancy?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I think he loses the election, both ways. I hope he and the crazies fade off into the sunset.. did you notice how the war protestors dropped away when Obama won, and the Floyd riots stopped when joe won , but the root causes still remained...

Or the ows protestors, right after obamas midterms? I mean, Oakland did turn the water cannons on them, but poof.. gone right after the election.

I hope trump packs it up and we have an actual centrist republican leadership... can we dig up Reagan and I ject him with whatever they are giving joe and nancy?

Yeah, the problem is all the trump republicans that think acting like trump gets them elected.

I am going with Nate Silver and Scott Rasmussen in predicting a Trump win.

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

I’ll make a bunch of “Trump lost. Fuck your feelings” swag and tell crybabies that suicide is always an option.

The problem isn't Rashida Tlab or Ilan Omar, it's the people that support them and elect them. The problem isn't Trump, it's the people that support him and vote for him.

I'll say it again, the GOP needs to be destroyed. All vestiges and remnants of the political movement that promoted Dick Cheney, Don Trump, MTG, that guy from Florida and the rest have to go away.

Right, not MTG, I have a soft spot for her.

These Republicans don't represent us, don't work for or serve us and cannot be a part of any working government going forward for the good of our nation.

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
I’ll make a bunch of “Trump lost. F*ck your feelings” swag and tell crybabies that suicide is always an option.

awww, nice .. and i hope you would respect someone else if the election goes the other way?

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Originally posted by Scott King:
The problem isn't Rashida Tlab or Ilan Omar, it's the people that support them and elect them. The problem isn't Trump, it's the people that support him and vote for him.

I'll say it again, the GOP needs to be destroyed. All vestiges and remnants of the political movement that promoted Dick Cheney, Don Trump, MTG, that guy from Florida and the rest have to go away.

Right, not MTG, I have a soft spot for her.

These Republicans don't represent us, don't work for or serve us and cannot be a part of any working government going forward for the good of our nation.

Scott speaks the truth. Other than MTG

Scott
Blobert is kinda trailerpark cute

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

You are so wrong. Maybe not a centrist in your fucked up take on politics, that I'll give you.

And, all this is an interesting discussion but not responsive to the OP.

Is trump done if he loses?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Scott
Blobert is kinda trailerpark cute

I'd hit it. As long as she had a gag (or something) in her mouth.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

like several of us, i would be, ahmmmm, concerned about the background checks .. but, given the slate of candidates, that's more of a speed bump than a wall

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

like several of us, i would be, ahmmmm, concerned about the background checks .. but, given the slate of candidates, that's more of a speed bump than a wall

I can't imagine casting a vote for somebody that stands zero chance of winning.

Explain.

Sorry, i meant to say *I* would be concerned about a running, myself ...

maybe i could bribe my grandkids into voting for me ..

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Scott
Blobert is kinda trailerpark cute

I agree. I also think AOC is attractive.

So I think the trick would be to take them somewhere foreign and very resort-y. Keep em away from familiar territory and no mention of current events or politics.

"Here's another cocktail, yes I am still sorry about buying you the too small swimsuit."

Now MTG on the other hand I'd take back to California for Thanksgiving dinner with extended family. Some of my relatives are across the political spectrum, some way, way, way across and I'd be amused to see them go purple in the face.

I do not see the Leopard changing its spots.

Trump may not get political traction from donors, but he will not go. His ego and megalomania will seek the limelight and ratings. He will continue to play the spoiler and be vindictive. he will continue to be backed by Putin.

The GOP will not be a united party for a long time, and it will continue to struggle with finding a credible leader as long as the likes of MGT, Getz, Jordan etc. are in Congress.

The MAGA base of the GOP is about 30% of the party and the far right kooks will always try and tap this audience.

The centre Right is a myth of an extinct political platform in the US. If the GOP does nominate a centerist, the MAGA base will not turn out on election day.

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If trump loses, will he continue to dominate GOP politics?

If he looses a half win for America!

And a half lose for America because Kamala won!

What an utterly fucked up political system!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

You are so wrong. Maybe not a centrist in your fucked up take on politics, that I'll give you.

Mark it on your wall Mike…there will never be another centrist in my lifetime.

Let me ask you…who was the last centrist president?

I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Scott
Blobert is kinda trailerpark cute

I'd hit it. As long as she had a gag (or something) in her mouth.

Don’t even think it. Someone, somewhere would find out and you’d never live it down.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

That would be Liz Cheney. I disagree with her overly conservative politics, but can't question her honesty & integrity. She proved she was country 1st, like Kinzinger did, but your trumplicans got rid of that immediately.

Trump has already lost the election. He and Vance have no self discipline on the campaign trail and get taken off message way too easily. Last night was a perfect example of that. He has had 2 elections in a row that should have been lay up wins, but he can't get out of his own way due to his ego. He should be beating the drum nonstop about the border, the economy, gas and food prices and energy independence. Instead, he talks about eating pets, Viktor Orban and all kinds of other crazy shee ite. They both lied last night, she did it much better and she will continue for the next 4 years.

I wonder if he already has a plan or scheme to retain power indefinitely IF he should win.

He won't lose . . . not in his own mind anyway. If he wins outright, he will rightfully claim he is the winner. If he wins the popular vote but not the electoral college, he will claim he is the winner. If he loses the popular vote and the electoral college, he will claim he is the winner. His ego will not allow him to accept that he can lose. He will claim the election was stolen, voting irregularities, media bias, electoral college is a fraud, whatever he needs to rationalize himself as the winner. The real question is what will his toadies do. He seems to have them in some form of a hypnotic trance. Not sure what snaps them out of it.

I didn't have to strike through much of your post, very little, to show that you could have been writing about Harris.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.

A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

Instead of a slogan:

Harris has framed her campaign as "a choice between freedom and chaos" and based it around the ideals of "freedom" and "the future".

I think she also said "We're not going back".

She has also said several times: "promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America."

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

You are so wrong. Maybe not a centrist in your fucked up take on politics, that I'll give you.

Mark it on your wall Mike…there will never be another centrist in my lifetime.

Let me ask you…who was the last centrist president?

Lane, the problem is that you're never going to agree that someone has moderate/centrist viewpoints unless they agree with your extreme viewpoints/opinions.

For instance, I would say the Bill Clinton was a centrist. Bush 1 also. Hell, Bush 2 was a centrist in a lot of ways, immigration for instance.

In my mind, a centralist looks lots like the semi offical libertarian positions. Liberal socially, moderately fiscally conservative, not isolationist and not a war monger.. America has enough issues to deal with inside our BORDERS and we don't need to be thenworld cops... does that mean China's influence grows? Meh..

Can we keep building better code, lead the word in food production, improve the "happiness" of people, better help our vets and reduce crime? Wouldn't that be great.

I am not interested in extremes.. though that kind of person likely would be unelectable due to the cult of personality and paying dues to the powers that be

I read a Stat years ago that basically said one way of knowing something wasn't going to happen was if it was a campaign promise, as the vast majority of those promises are broken. I don't think that has changed

No matter which party wins the presidential election, I hope the opposite congress.

Sure would be nice if we could reanimate Reagan and cronkite

Heck, I'd take dan rather and slick Willie today

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He won't lose . . . not in his own mind anyway. If he wins outright, he will rightfully claim he is the winner. If he wins the popular vote but not the electoral college, he will claim he is the winner. If he loses the popular vote and the electoral college, he will claim he is the winner. His ego will not allow him to accept that he can lose. He will claim the election was stolen, voting irregularities, media bias, electoral college is a fraud, whatever he needs to rationalize himself as the winner. The real question is what will his toadies do. He seems to have them in some form of a hypnotic trance. Not sure what snaps them out of it.

Head Up Ass is a hell of a drug.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I didn't have to strike through much of your post, very little, to show that you could have been writing about Harris.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.

A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

Instead of a slogan:

Harris has framed her campaign as "a choice between freedom and chaos" and based it around the ideals of "freedom" and "the future".

I think she also said "We're not going back".

She has also said several times: "promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America."

The twist would be the telling the truth part.

I think especially a modern day "ruler" needs to be the "no" president. Saying no should be their answers to most questions and requests. No new wars, no new departments and bureaus, no new czars or committees, no new armies like Space Force. Again, a president that will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government.

Out president can't be there for the tranny's and homophobes, can't be there for the latest town flattened by a tornado nor the college kid murdered by an illegal immigrant. The president needs to be making sure his Cabinet is doing their job, not dancing at a Juneteenth celebration or visiting a school shooting, there's governors and mayors for that.

When our borders are secure and America is safe from attack or invasion, credit the president. When the levees don't break during a tropical storm and the US highway system doesn't have potholes, credit the president. When out public lands are stewarded efficiently credit the president.

For everything else look somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

I think what comes through in your post is that you expect honesty and integrity, both things which should be a given in anyone in public service, or so you’d think.

A Vote for Kamala is a Vote for the new world order!!!

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

Not if they are running against today's democrats.......

I can't understand how you can be so critical of today's Republicans without the same criticisms of today's democrats.....you can na!E foolish and even deranged Republicans but there are just as many if not more totally deranged democrats....

This goes both ways and is more a symptom of general American society.


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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

Not if they are running against today's democrats.......

I can't understand how you can be so critical of today's Republicans without the same criticisms of today's democrats.....you can na!E foolish and even deranged Republicans but there are just as many if not more totally deranged democrats....

This goes both ways and is more a symptom of general American society.


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I've said before, democrats don't matter to me. I don't vote for them, don't send them money, don't read what they say don't wear their lapel pins. I don't support most of maybe all of their social agenda and the same of their fiscal agenda.

I think I've voted for a Democrat twice ever and that's because they were actually a reasonable alternative to the GOP candidate, the last time it was in opposition to Palin for House.

I'm no more interested in what the Democrats are up to than I am the Labor party in Britain or the political parties on Mars.

I am very critical and very demanding of the conservative politics because I am a conservative. From a conservative candidate or "ruler" I expect a very narrow and specific set of rules and guideline if they want my vote, my money, if they want me to read what they say or wear their lapel pin. I have standards.

When I sit down at a table out for dinner I am going to meet certain etiquette standards. I'll take my hat off indoors and certainly not wear it at the table. Wait for ladies to be seated, napkin in lap, elbows off the table, say please and thank you as well as minding my foul language. I won't get too drunk nor will I do anything else to attract unwelcome attention to myself or the table. I expect the same from others at my table. If they are unwilling to behave themselves, that's fine, I'll excuse myself and dine elsewhere.
Likewise, my kids knows how to behave and very plainly what I expect. It doesn't matter what other kids are doing, my kid has a very good understanding of the standards I set and meets them.

It's that simple.

The time is well past to stop voting for the lesser of two evils.

I care less about who wins as I do neither having control over all three branches.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

I think what comes through in your post is that you expect honesty and integrity, both things which should be a given in anyone in public service, or so you’d think.

I have at least a suspicion that America would react positively to it.

If a candidate said, "we're not going to pursue gun control, but we are going to put gun safety and firearm education back in the classroom as well as promote firearm security in the home." It'd have traction.

If a candidate said, "we're not going to raise or lower taxes, but we are going to have a bipartisan review of the tax code and immediately implement a xx% budget cut across the board to be applied to the national debt." I think it'd be well received.

Be honest, be practical and sensible.

I doubt we need a border wall so much as we need our neighbors to the south to secure their borders and a revision of our immigration laws. Offer a carrot to those south of us but make it plain there's a stick available too.

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immediately implement a xx% budget cut across the board to be applied to the national debt." I think it'd be well received.

I beg to differ. Cut SS and other entitlements, and the shit will hit the fan.

Cut the military budget, and watch the generals, politicians, and contractors squeal.

There's not a lot left to cut after those two.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

You are so wrong. Maybe not a centrist in your fucked up take on politics, that I'll give you.

Mark it on your wall Mike…there will never be another centrist in my lifetime.

Let me ask you…who was the last centrist president?

Lane, the problem is that you're never going to agree that someone has moderate/centrist viewpoints unless they agree with your extreme viewpoints/opinions.

Exactly what “extreme viewpoints” do I have?

For instance, I would say the Bill Clinton was a centrist. Bush 1 also. Hell, Bush 2 was a centrist in a lot of ways, immigration for instance.

Agree

None of the above electable today.

I think Clinton would win in a landslide if he could run, Obama too.

There is plenty of support for centrists, especially among those of us not consumed by listening to political pundits.