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In my mind, a centralist looks lots like the semi offical libertarian positions. Liberal socially,

Fine by me as long as that is Libertarian socially liberal.
IE: Don’t use positions of power to force socially liberal views on socially conservative people.

moderately fiscally conservative

Going to be hard to quash those trillions with a “T” you been talking about being “moderately fiscally conservative.” ,

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Originally posted by theback40:
I care less about who wins as I do neither having control over all three branches.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
You can say the same thing in reverse. Positions of power should not be used to push conservative views on to people who have more socially liberal views.

Agreed. I am a Libertarian.

We need more revenue to quash those trillions....that much is obvious.

As long as we are not robbing it…I am good. A universal absolute flat tax and/or VAT that puts us in the black.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I don't believe they necessarily have to be Centrist, I think they can be Right Wing and someone the nation can get behind.

A fiscal conservative that says what they mean and mean what they say and can sell their position to America with humility, compassion and loyalty. Even friendship.
A social conservative that can speak honestly and with understanding and non judgementally to America's strengths, priorities and needs.

I think it's possible to field a "ruler" that won't lie and promise the impossible, will tell the truth about the realistic limits of government and will actually work from their elected office to benefit, improve and move the nation forward.

It's be interesting to hear a campaign slogan that promised to be there for America, not some of America, not those or these Americans or this side of America, all America.

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close those loop holes

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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centrist republican

There will never be another in my lifetime unless some event comes along and drastically changes US politics. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Nothing is impossible if you work hard enough at it. It can and should be done.

VAT/flat tax and tariffs all push the burden of funding our government on to those who struggle the most. I'm against all three.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Nothing is impossible if you work hard enough at it. It can and should be done.

VAT/flat tax and tariffs all push the burden of funding our government on to those who struggle the most. I'm against all three.

Apparently you have never spent much time investigating the current tax code. As it stands now…it is virtually impossible to even be in compliance. For nearly every rule…there is an opposing rule.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
VAT is a tax on daily goods that affects those who can afford being taxed the least.

VAT, talk about wanting to be like Europe or make America Europe.

I think most people are in compliance and not tax cheats.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Nothing is impossible if you work hard enough at it. It can and should be done.

VAT/flat tax and tariffs all push the burden of funding our government on to those who struggle the most. I'm against all three.

Apparently you have never spent much time investigating the current tax code. As it stands now…it is virtually impossible to even be in compliance. For nearly every rule…there is an opposing rule.

I hire a guy, he seems to have it all worked out, he even does my books.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
VAT is a tax on daily goods that affects those who can afford being taxed the least.

VAT, talk about wanting to be like Europe or make America Europe.

I think most people are in compliance and not tax cheats.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
VAT is a tax on daily goods that affects those who can afford being taxed the least.

VAT, talk about wanting to be like Europe or make America Europe.

I think most people are in compliance and not tax cheats.

Yes but a VAT would be in lieu of income tax. Thus, more personal revenue to begin with.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
VAT is a tax on daily goods that affects those who can afford being taxed the least.

VAT, talk about wanting to be like Europe or make America Europe.

I think most people are in compliance and not tax cheats.

Yes but a VAT would be in lieu of income tax. Thus, more personal revenue to begin with.

Unless you're one of those who pay little or no tax. You'd be fucked with a capital F.

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Unless you're one of those who pay little or no tax. You'd be fucked with a capital F.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lowest hourly wage employees at my companies still pay income tax out of every check we write to them. They may get it all back eventually but they still pay in. With VAT that would go away and pay at purchase. A VAT is basically federal sales tax the same as a state sales tax.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lowest hourly wage employees at my companies still pay income tax out of every check we write to them. They may get it all back eventually but they still pay in. With VAT that would go away and pay at purchase. A VAT is basically federal sales tax the same as a state sales tax.

But those lowest paid employees would no longer get a refund, thus struggle even more.

A very bad idea.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lowest hourly wage employees at my companies still pay income tax out of every check we write to them. They may get it all back eventually but they still pay in. With VAT that would go away and pay at purchase. A VAT is basically federal sales tax the same as a state sales tax.

But those lowest paid employees would no longer get a refund, thus struggle even more.

A very bad idea.

They keep it initially!!!

They pay it in, the US GVT draws interest on it for months, and the gvt refunds it. If that went away…they have more money each month.

They only get refunded what they pay in.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lowest hourly wage employees at my companies still pay income tax out of every check we write to them. They may get it all back eventually but they still pay in. With VAT that would go away and pay at purchase. A VAT is basically federal sales tax the same as a state sales tax.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The lowest hourly wage employees at my companies still pay income tax out of every check we write to them. They may get it all back eventually but they still pay in. With VAT that would go away and pay at purchase. A VAT is basically federal sales tax the same as a state sales tax.

But those lowest paid employees would no longer get a refund, thus struggle even more.

A very bad idea.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I kinda of note the mentality "I don't pay income tax, I get a refund every year"

VAT makes too much sense for politicians to understand themtotal result. And...may r4esult in a smaller IRS...Oh....can 't have that !

If income and local sales tax were abolished and replaced by VAT, how can it not work?

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I kinda of note the mentality "I don't pay income tax, I get a refund every year"

VAT makes too much sense for politicians to understand themtotal result. And...may r4esult in a smaller IRS...Oh....can 't have that !

If income and local sales tax were abolished and replaced by VAT, how can it not work?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Flat taxes can be made as progressive as you like by graduating them.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Good point...Assuming your car buyer is an honest worker..now he did not have to pay $7500 in income tax (not an unheard of amounht ) and if a prostitute or drug dealer..now he has to pay into the public trough just like the honest worker.

Fed intake would /should increase substantially.

However, let's be honest...the VAT discussion is about as serious as the old guys arguing about Chev vs Ford

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I kinda of note the mentality "I don't pay income tax, I get a refund every year"

VAT makes too much sense for politicians to understand themtotal result. And...may r4esult in a smaller IRS...Oh....can 't have that !

If income and local sales tax were abolished and replaced by VAT, how can it not work?

And..no income tax paperwork. Watch the accountants lobby on that one!

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
You could be right..even a posibility ...but at this point..imagination...and I THINK the (Again imigination) was a country with NO income tax.