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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses. Beyond 60 days with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Do you think that number may increase by forcing women into parenthood who would rather not be?

Logic would say yes.

When I was in my 30’s and pro-choice…I used that logic myself.

Then I went through the whole process of having a child at 45, participating in the whole event from pregnancy confirmation to now 14 yr old kid.

The night after the delivery, after holding that boy straight from the womb…I fell to my knees and begged God for forgiveness as I knew I had been in the wrong all those years.

And, that was the night you decided that you had the right to make decisions for all women about whether or not they should have the right to control their own bodies?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked and read what I write. This is no court room and I am under no obligation to answer in your version of questioning.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses beyond 60 days and with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be against the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Do you think that number may increase by forcing women into parenthood who would rather not be?

Logic would say yes.

When I was in my 30’s and pro-choice…I used that logic myself.

Then I went through the whole process of having a child at 45, participating in the whole event from pregnancy confirmation to now 14 yr old kid.

The night after the delivery, after holding that boy straight from the womb…I fell to my knees and begged God for forgiveness as I knew I had been in the wrong all those years.

And, that was the night you decided that you had the right to make decisions for all women about whether or not they should have the right to control their own bodies?

I don’t hold that power. But get an opinion. And I could give a damn what a woman does with her body. I do care if she chooses to kill her kid.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses. Beyond 60 days with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

You are pretty fucking far from "enlightened."

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked and read what I write. This is no court room and I am under no obligation to answer in your version of questioning.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses beyond 60 days and with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be against the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

Enlightened...Bwahahaha....that is a good one!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked and read what I write. This is no court room and I am under no obligation to answer in your version of questioning.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses beyond 60 days and with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be against the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

Enlightened...Bwahahaha....that is a good one!

Because you are not quite there yet. But maybe there is still hope.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Stop asking the question the way you want it asked and read what I write. This is no court room and I am under no obligation to answer in your version of questioning.

I believe it is wrong to kill viable fetuses beyond 60 days and with the exceptions I mentioned…it should be against the law.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. While I am Christian…I was also Christian when I was ignorant and pro-choice. I became enlightened and saw how wrong I was.

Enlightened...Bwahahaha....that is a good one!

Because you are not quite there yet. But maybe there is still hope.

I do indeed hope that one day you and the rest of the religious right begin to concern yourselves with your own shortcomings and stay the hell out of other people's business. Not likely though, you feel the need to bring the rest of us your God whether we want it or not.

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Originally posted by skb:
Late term abortion was allowed to be banned before the recent SC ruling, that was the common ground.

60 days???? Really?

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by skb:
Late term abortion was allowed to be banned before the recent SC ruling, that was the common ground.

60 days???? Really?

So, my way or the highway, eh?

Can’t take some agreement, have to have your moral purity.

You sound like some kind of religious nutter, just a different book.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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The Republicans aren't forcing them to spread their legs....or to skip easily accessible birth control....

When in the history of the world have women not spread their legs? You are delusional if you think that's a viable solution. Never has been, never will be. You are nuts. And republicans are actively working to prevent birth control as well.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Do you think that number may increase by forcing women into parenthood who would rather not be?

Logic would say yes.

When I was in my 30’s and pro-choice…I used that logic myself.

Then I went through the whole process of having a child at 45, participating in the whole event from pregnancy confirmation to now 14 yr old kid.

The night after the delivery, after holding that boy straight from the womb…I fell to my knees and begged God for forgiveness as I knew I had been in the wrong all those years.

And, that was the night you decided that you had the right to make decisions for all women about whether or not they should have the right to control their own bodies?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by wymple:

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The Republicans aren't forcing them to spread their legs....or to skip easily accessible birth control....

When in the history of the world have women not spread their legs? You are delusional if you think that's a viable solution. Never has been, never will be. You are nuts. And republicans are actively working to prevent birth control as well.

I see you skimmed right over the "easily accessible birth control".... go figger????? We know that you can't expect liberals to be responsible for their actions right?


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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by wymple:

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The Republicans aren't forcing them to spread their legs....or to skip easily accessible birth control....

When in the history of the world have women not spread their legs? You are delusional if you think that's a viable solution. Never has been, never will be. You are nuts. And republicans are actively working to prevent birth control as well.

I see you skimmed right over the "easily accessible birth control".... go figger????? We know that you can't expect liberals to be responsible for their actions right?


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Except Texas is ground zero for banning birth control access.

Now, JTEX is on the record not liking people making money-profit. Sounds very Socialist to me.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Some people should never have kids!

True enough!

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Some people should never have kids!

True enough!

A lot of people who shouldn't, do.

Grizz

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Evidence that there are many kids out there with poor home lives.

Some people should never have kids!

True enough!

A lot of people who shouldn't, do.

Grizz

I would go so far as to say most children are born to people that shouldn't have kids.......even when abortion was unfettered....

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I see LHeym answering, and Ledvm avoiding answering or just posing more questions. Wonder why that is.

An undeveloped fetus, early in the pregnancy especially, is not a baby.

From the embryology I know and the experience I have with animal embryos…that ends at about 45-60 days. I can accept <60 day termination.

I'm willing to concede that abortion should be illegal when the baby is near term. Before that, I'm not going to tell anyone what to do.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is the lie. Abortion was never unfettered under Parenthood v Casey.

You have been provided the case law and post Casey statutes to know it is a lie JTex.

Unless the individual state wanted to be more or less unfettered such as California.

Plan Parenthood V Casey allows states a lot of regulatory room. States so did.

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Abortion was heavily regulated under Plan Parent v Casey of the system wanted to.

For example states could ban and did ban abortions at 21 weeks. KY and TN did.

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Originally posted by nute:
I do find it rather puzzling that those who are pro life also appear to view the numerous instances of school shootings involving kids as a price worth paying for 2A rights.

Logic would suggest that if they are really concerned about the killing of the most innocent they should be amongst those most strongly advocating either turning all schools into fortresses with armed guards or for tighter gun control.

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Originally posted by skb:
No, the joke was your 60 day suggestion. Barely enough time for a women to know she is pregnant and then schedule a Dr.'s appointment.

Absurd is what your suggestion is.

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Originally posted by skb:
I certainly do not think women are dumb. I am damn sure you want a say in their reproductive decisions though.

No sir…just advocating for the most innocent human life form that exists.

You know that birth control is not 100% effective even when used correctly.

True…but they are in the extreme high 90 percentile range. And studies confirm the vast majority of abortions are from unprotected intercourse.

What clues should women look for 12 hours after sex to know they are pregnant?

How about semen in her vagina with no protection? Pretty good recipe for pregnancy.

Should women who do not want to become pregnant take the morning after pill every time they have sex knowing that BC is not 100%?

They should implement a much better plan. Morning after pills should be a last resort but should be implemented with no other plan in place for sure. They are not perfect…but still in the 90 percentile range.

32 days between a missed period and your bullshit 60 day cut off line, not much time at all for a woman to get into a Drs office these days with wait times.

Disagree

You live in a fantasy world, one where your God is perfect for everybody else and you are going to bring it to them, whether they want it or not.

I can assure you that I live in the most real world there is and survive with my learned skills and knowledge. I provide jobs and service to our economy in the same breath.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:
I do find it rather puzzling that those who are pro life also appear to view the numerous instances of school shootings involving kids as a price worth paying for 2A rights.

Logic would suggest that if they are really concerned about the killing of the most innocent they should be amongst those most strongly advocating either turning all schools into fortresses with armed guards or for tighter gun control.

Who has taken that position?

I am for hardening schools.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
I certainly do not think women are dumb. I am damn sure you want a say in their reproductive decisions though.

No sir…just advocating for the most innocent human life form that exists.

You know that birth control is not 100% effective even when used correctly.

True…but they are in the extreme high 90 percentile range. And studies confirm the vast majority of abortions are from unprotected intercourse.

What clues should women look for 12 hours after sex to know they are pregnant?

How about semen in her vagina with no protection? Pretty good recipe for pregnancy.

Should women who do not want to become pregnant take the morning after pill every time they have sex knowing that BC is not 100%?

They should implement a much better plan. Morning after pills should be a last resort but should be implemented with no other plan in place for sure. They are not perfect…but still in the 90 percentile range.

32 days between a missed period and your bullshit 60 day cut off line, not much time at all for a woman to get into a Drs office these days with wait times.

Disagree

You live in a fantasy world, one where your God is perfect for everybody else and you are going to bring it to them, whether they want it or not.

I can assure you that I live in the most real world there is and survive with my learned skills and knowledge. I provide jobs and service to our economy in the same breath.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
I certainly do not think women are dumb. I am damn sure you want a say in their reproductive decisions though.

No sir…just advocating for the most innocent human life form that exists.

You know that birth control is not 100% effective even when used correctly.

True…but they are in the extreme high 90 percentile range. And studies confirm the vast majority of abortions are from unprotected intercourse.

What clues should women look for 12 hours after sex to know they are pregnant?

How about semen in her vagina with no protection? Pretty good recipe for pregnancy.

Should women who do not want to become pregnant take the morning after pill every time they have sex knowing that BC is not 100%?

They should implement a much better plan. Morning after pills should be a last resort but should be implemented with no other plan in place for sure. They are not perfect…but still in the 90 percentile range.

32 days between a missed period and your bullshit 60 day cut off line, not much time at all for a woman to get into a Drs office these days with wait times.

Disagree

You live in a fantasy world, one where your God is perfect for everybody else and you are going to bring it to them, whether they want it or not.

I can assure you that I live in the most real world there is and survive with my learned skills and knowledge. I provide jobs and service to our economy in the same breath.

The fact that you provide jobs and a service to economy means absolutely zero in this discussion. I have told you that you deserve a cookie in the past, maybe a gold star to wear on your shirt would be more appropriate.

Anytime you state that I live in a fantasy world…I am going to point that I live more in the real world than you — my point. I also have employment that is 90+% female — most of them between 21 and 35. I am well aware of reality.

Implement a better plan? BC is not 100%, if you have sex regularly the chances it fails are not that low. Do the math DR. If you have sex 3 times a week for a year that is 156 times, 98% effective means a failure rate of over 3%. Those women deserve the right to abortion, just like all the others.

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Originally posted by skb:
Total rubbish Lane.

Thinking you know anything is what is total rubbish. “I” understand embryology, reproductive physiology, and the modern societal workplace and life of the young female well — deal with it every single solitary day.

Give that boy a pat on the head and goldstar for his shirt, he sure is impressed with himself and everyone needs to know it.

The fact you have employees and I am a craftsman who is a sole proprietor has little to with which one of us lives in reality, you pompous asshat.

Unbelievable. No wonder Colorado politics have denigrated from a state I once lived in and thought was sensible. Pompous??? Look in the mirror.