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Originally posted by Hasher:
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So let me understand this.


Your argument is “we suck the least”???

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The Bloomberg economist team had this to say:

“July’s nonfarm payrolls suggest the cooling in the labor market shows few signs of stabilizing – and isn’t gradually ‘normalizing,’ as Powell characterized it after the July 31 FOMC decision.

“Some of the weakness in payrolls can be attributed to Hurricane Beryl — but not all — and in any case the storm impact should reverse in coming months. However, the surprisingly sharp increase in the unemployment rate was due primarily to layoffs and people taking longer to find jobs, not weather.

“Furthermore, with the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ ‘birth-death model’ still overstating employment from the net creation of new firms, we think the underlying pace of monthly job growth is likely less than 100k — below the pace consistent with a steady unemployment rate. We expect the unemployment rate to continue rising, reaching to 4.5% by year-end. Not only is a September rate cut likely — even a 50-basis point cut is now in play.”

And here is RBC analyst Janet Mui agreeing that a 50bps rate cut is now in play: “Taken together with the higher jobless claims, contraction in the manufacturing hiring survey and July’s jobs report, it is likely that the Fed will start cutting interest rates next month and there is expectation that it may need to cut more aggressively than previously penciled in. Risk assets are reacting negatively given the growth concerns while bonds/gold/defensive sectors are rallying as investors seek safe havens.”

~Ann

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Originally posted by theback40:
Damn that would suck, having to pack shit up to go to a shooting range.
I often want to just check a few different loads over the chrono. I step out my front door and shoot. Not worth it if I had to drive somewhere.
Steve, if you live in BFE, why cant you just step outside and shoot?

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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The Bloomberg economist team had this to say:

“July’s nonfarm payrolls suggest the cooling in the labor market shows few signs of stabilizing – and isn’t gradually ‘normalizing,’ as Powell characterized it after the July 31 FOMC decision.

“Some of the weakness in payrolls can be attributed to Hurricane Beryl — but not all — and in any case the storm impact should reverse in coming months. However, the surprisingly sharp increase in the unemployment rate was due primarily to layoffs and people taking longer to find jobs, not weather.

“Furthermore, with the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ ‘birth-death model’ still overstating employment from the net creation of new firms, we think the underlying pace of monthly job growth is likely less than 100k — below the pace consistent with a steady unemployment rate. We expect the unemployment rate to continue rising, reaching to 4.5% by year-end. Not only is a September rate cut likely — even a 50-basis point cut is now in play.”

And here is RBC analyst Janet Mui agreeing that a 50bps rate cut is now in play: “Taken together with the higher jobless claims, contraction in the manufacturing hiring survey and July’s jobs report, it is likely that the Fed will start cutting interest rates next month and there is expectation that it may need to cut more aggressively than previously penciled in. Risk assets are reacting negatively given the growth concerns while bonds/gold/defensive sectors are rallying as investors seek safe havens.”

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Originally posted by theback40:
No shooting, even on your own property? If you live in the back of nowhere, how can anyone stop you on your own land?
I have shot bull moose in the rut, chasing my cattle, bears in the feed corn, all with-in 100 yds of my house. How could anyone tell you, you cant?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by theback40:
No shooting, even on your own property? If you live in the back of nowhere, how can anyone stop you on your own land?
I have shot bull moose in the rut, chasing my cattle, bears in the feed corn, all with-in 100 yds of my house. How could anyone tell you, you cant?

State law allows Sheriffs to enact fire bans even on private property. I have moose, bear etc in the yard too but my neighbors are close enough to hear gunfire and we have all been through too many fires around here. The fear is warranted and understandable in my mind.

It is crazy ripe for a fire out there.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Roland,
You are correct, the term much was undefined.. with the US being listed at 87th at 4.12%... it's arguably a pretty small number, so we would have to look at relative percentages... to me "Much" could be 10%.. as people usually are thrilled to have 10% off a reasonable sales price... and we could look at 25%.. I don't think anyone could argue that 25% is "much"

Further stevie inferred that there wasn't one "western" economy doing better Could you point out where I inferred this Jeffe? .. Major or comparative were not mentioned

Western economies would then include everything in the western hemisphere, The economic west not the hemisphere....are you that dumb? Really? as northern vs southern western hemisphere was also not mentioned

So, let's take a look at western economies with better than 25%, or 3.09%

That only leaves 62 in the world as possibles.. which leaves 25 ish "western" economies doing 25% or more better than the US.. if you include Africa in the western hemisphere, the number goes way up

Comparable economies and western? There aren't any within HALF the gdp of the US, as I don't think anyone would think to include China and Japan as western markets.

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/


Oh, let's play a bit more.. if much can be twisted half, there are still 40+ world wide candidates, with 16 being fully "western"


I mean you could use "exactly" should be inferred 1 and only 1, then, yeah, i.missed the mark .. but if we want to play 1 means 1,.then Puerto Rico

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by theback40:
No shooting, even on your own property? If you live in the back of nowhere, how can anyone stop you on your own land?
I have shot bull moose in the rut, chasing my cattle, bears in the feed corn, all with-in 100 yds of my house. How could anyone tell you, you cant?

State law allows Sheriffs to enact fire bans even on private property. I have moose, bear etc in the yard too but my neighbors are close enough to hear gunfire and we have all been through too many fires around here. The fear is warranted and understandable in my mind.

It is crazy ripe for a fire out there.

Here's to hoping nor fires for Steve. No joke

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:
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So let me understand this.


Your argument is “we suck the least”???

Hardly, pay attention please.

My argument is that all western economies experienced very similar levels of inflation post Covid, regardless of domestic monetary policy.

I believe this is because all western economies experienced a contracting supply chain and market disruptions related to the pandemic.

I believe America has a strong economy and has faired better than most western economies in the post Covid area.

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Originally posted by theback40:
No shooting, even on your own property? If you live in the back of nowhere, how can anyone stop you on your own land?
I have shot bull moose in the rut, chasing my cattle, bears in the feed corn, all with-in 100 yds of my house. How could anyone tell you, you cant?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Roland,
You are correct, the term much was undefined.. with the US being listed at 87th at 4.12%... it's arguably a pretty small number, so we would have to look at relative percentages... to me "Much" could be 10%.. as people usually are thrilled to have 10% off a reasonable sales price... and we could look at 25%.. I don't think anyone could argue that 25% is "much"

Further stevie inferred that there wasn't one "western" economy doing better Could you point out where I inferred this Jeffe? .. Major or comparative were not mentioned

Western economies would then include everything in the western hemisphere, The economic west not the hemisphere....are you that dumb? Really? as northern vs southern western hemisphere was also not mentioned

So, let's take a look at western economies with better than 25%, or 3.09%

That only leaves 62 in the world as possibles.. which leaves 25 ish "western" economies doing 25% or more better than the US.. if you include Africa in the western hemisphere, the number goes way up

Comparable economies and western? There aren't any within HALF the gdp of the US, as I don't think anyone would think to include China and Japan as western markets.

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/


Oh, let's play a bit more.. if much can be twisted half, there are still 40+ world wide candidates, with 16 being fully "western"


I mean you could use "exactly" should be inferred 1 and only 1, then, yeah, i.missed the mark .. but if we want to play 1 means 1,.then Puerto Rico

You missed the mark you turd.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I have a second again.
My point, that was missed.
I have 1300+ acres I make a living on. The animals live here, and can go where they want.
They do not get to chase my cattle through fences and all over hell into the woods. The bears do not get to flatten acres of corn,I need for the winter feed, when there are wild apples, blackberries, beechnuts etc in the woods.
If I had fire hazzard I would build a long barreled 450 BM or the like to shoot them with. They cannot destroy what they wish, if the farm goes under, their home would be gone too, as it's worth more to chop into building lots.
I guess I would have to piece together some 3' culverts covered in dirt to prevent the fire risk and shoot from home when I want. No neighbors close enough to care how much I shoot, nor would I care if it did bother them. My land, my rules. Thats why I live in East BFE.

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Originally posted by Hasher:

You need to get outside the Boulder Bubbke more.


The economy is shite everywhere.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by theback40:
I have a second again.
My point, that was missed.
I have 1300+ acres I make a living on. The animals live here, and can go where they want.
They do not get to chase my cattle through fences and all over hell into the woods. The bears do not get to flatten acres of corn,I need for the winter feed, when there are wild apples, blackberries, beechnuts etc in the woods.
If I had fire hazzard I would build a long barreled 450 BM or the like to shoot them with. They cannot destroy what they wish, if the farm goes under, their home would be gone too, as it's worth more to chop into building lots.
I guess I would have to piece together some 3' culverts covered in dirt to prevent the fire risk and shoot from home when I want. No neighbors close enough to care how much I shoot, nor would I care if it did bother them. My land, my rules. Thats why I live in East BFE.

We cannot shoot recreationally during the fire ban, we can shoot an animal causing damage to crops.


I agree with the my land, my rules idea but we have these rules for a reason here. 20 years ago nobody GAF, but 20 years ago we did not have these type of fires with the frequency that we do today.

Most of our fires are human caused, I hate to say it but several have been caused by shooters in the past.

It is scary shit living in a tinder box, nobody wants to see a fire and the rules are in place to helps avoid them but again, I agree with your premise of my land, my rules.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
The evacs are crazy.....As many of the best guns and rifles I can fit in the back of the truck stacked like cord wood, my laptop and the bird dogs...there was no time for anything else the last time.

Thanks for the offer.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

You need to get outside the Boulder Bubbke more.


The economy is shite everywhere.

My experience is the economy is strong but uneven, The top half is thriving while the bottom half has much more of a struggle.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

You need to get outside the Boulder Bubbke more.


The economy is shite everywhere.

My experience is the economy is strong but uneven, The top half is thriving while the bottom half has much more of a struggle.

Exactly.... The bottom ( more than half) are taking a,good old fashion,ass whooping.....due to the policies,of the left!

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

You need to get outside the Boulder Bubbke more.


The economy is shite everywhere.

My experience is the economy is strong but uneven, The top half is thriving while the bottom half has much more of a struggle.

Exactly.... The bottom ( more than half) are taking a,good old fashion,ass whooping.....due to the policies,of the left!

Seems to be happening world wide, no matter if the government is left or right wing.

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Originally posted by Hasher:


Nice try at deflection.


Who has been in charge of the economy for the last 4 years? Democrats.

Who lead us to a virtual lockdown that closed businesses and ruined lives? Oh look it’s the democrats again.

Who has led us into ruinous inflation? Democrats again. I know you’re shocked.


Who claims the highest stock market ever but never accounts for inflation??? That’s right the Dumbocrats.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


Nice try at deflection.


Who has been in charge of the economy for the last 4 years? Democrats.

Who lead us to a virtual lockdown that closed businesses and ruined lives? Oh look it’s the democrats again.

Who has led us into ruinous inflation? Democrats again. I know you’re shocked.


Who claims the highest stock market ever but never accounts for inflation??? That’s right the Dumbocrats.

I'm not deflecting anything. I stated my views on the economy, I think the economy is very strong and that inflation has occurred everywhere in the western world at a similar rate.

I know you depend on that "the sky is falling" world view but I'm not buying it.

This has been the best economy for me since Clinton was in office. YMMV.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


Nice try at deflection.


Who has been in charge of the economy for the last 4 years? Democrats.

Who lead us to a virtual lockdown that closed businesses and ruined lives? Oh look it’s the democrats again.

Who has led us into ruinous inflation? Democrats again. I know you’re shocked.


Who claims the highest stock market ever but never accounts for inflation??? That’s right the Dumbocrats.

I'm not deflecting anything. I stated my views on the economy, I think the economy is very strong and that inflation has occurred everywhere in the western world at a similar rate.

I know you depend on that "the sky is falling" world view but I'm not buying it.

This has been the best economy for me since Clinton was in office. YMMV.

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine .. wait till we get "thought crime" (1984 reference) should quemala win

For the record, I had read 1984 and brave new world in HS and college , sure, and atlas shrugged ...

i reread atlas shrugged a couple years ago, and it sent me into a tailspin

but i DO recommend reading/re-reading 1984 and brave new world later in life, like NOW .. they are had been disturbing then.. but now? dear me, it's a total nightmare

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Maybe someone who lives in a fire danger zone can enlighten me on something.

I don't understand why so many homes are being burned. Don't people who live where fires are likely clear the trees and brush away from their homes and buildings?

Imho, people who like how their lot looks with trees, or can't be bothered to clear them, should shoulder their own losses. No government assistance.

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


Nice try at deflection.


Who has been in charge of the economy for the last 4 years? Democrats.

Who lead us to a virtual lockdown that closed businesses and ruined lives? Oh look it’s the democrats again.

Who has led us into ruinous inflation? Democrats again. I know you’re shocked.


Who claims the highest stock market ever but never accounts for inflation??? That’s right the Dumbocrats.

I'm not deflecting anything. I stated my views on the economy, I think the economy is very strong and that inflation has occurred everywhere in the western world at a similar rate.

I know you depend on that "the sky is falling" world view but I'm not buying it.

This has been the best economy for me since Clinton was in office. YMMV.

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine .. wait till we get "thought crime" (1984 reference) should quemala win

For the record, I had read 1984 and brave new world in HS and college , sure, and atlas shrugged ...

i reread atlas shrugged a couple years ago, and it sent me into a tailspin

but i DO recommend reading/re-reading 1984 and brave new world later in life, like NOW .. they are had been disturbing then.. but now? dear me, it's a total nightmare

Atlas Shrugged is my in flight reading when I fly to Africa. I can just about finish it on both flights.


All three of those books as well as Animal Farm were all written as warnings.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


Nice try at deflection.


Who has been in charge of the economy for the last 4 years? Democrats.

Who lead us to a virtual lockdown that closed businesses and ruined lives? Oh look it’s the democrats again.

Who has led us into ruinous inflation? Democrats again. I know you’re shocked.


Who claims the highest stock market ever but never accounts for inflation??? That’s right the Dumbocrats.

I'm not deflecting anything. I stated my views on the economy, I think the economy is very strong and that inflation has occurred everywhere in the western world at a similar rate.

I know you depend on that "the sky is falling" world view but I'm not buying it.

This has been the best economy for me since Clinton was in office. YMMV.

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine .. wait till we get "thought crime" (1984 reference) should quemala win

For the record, I had read 1984 and brave new world in HS and college , sure, and atlas shrugged ...

i reread atlas shrugged a couple years ago, and it sent me into a tailspin

but i DO recommend reading/re-reading 1984 and brave new world later in life, like NOW .. they are had been disturbing then.. but now? dear me, it's a total nightmare

Atlas Shrugged is my in flight reading when I fly to Africa. I can just about finish it on both flights.


All three of those books as well as Animal Farm were all written as warnings.

OUCH -- do you also read "a modest proposal" in that mix? dang dude, flights are hard enough, but to read atlas shrugged on a flight? you don't have an "exit" row seat, do you?

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Originally posted by Hasher:


The USFS doesn’t do the work they need to do because the greenies stick their noses in and prevent it.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

I'm not deflecting anything. I stated my views on the economy, I think the economy is very strong and that inflation has occurred everywhere in the western world at a similar rate.

I know you depend on that "the sky is falling" world view but I'm not buying it.

This has been the best economy for me since Clinton was in office. YMMV.

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine ..

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


The USFS doesn’t do the work they need to do because the greenies stick their noses in and prevent it.

The USFS does not do the work because they have been intentionally underfunded for decades.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


The USFS doesn’t do the work they need to do because the greenies stick their noses in and prevent it.

The USFS does not do the work because they have been intentionally underfunded for decades.

oh, i could play politics with this statement, as the administration changes This issue has spanned many, many administrations. It does have to do with politics but the issue will remain no matter which party ends up in control next year.

but

Yes, we should fund it more - that seems a good, "good of the country" action of government - Border Patrol, USCG, BLM, FDA, USDA, HHS -- these are all good government

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine .

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

no experts or indicators agree with you .. well, perhaps good old commie paul krugman -- but, hey, what happens inside your head is, well, for now, perfectly fine .

Would you care to make any adjustments to this statement Jeffe? Apparently at least some experts do agree with me.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...db08d4c8766d59&ei=12