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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I think the economy has been outstanding the last few years, much it depends on the line of employment you are in and how you were positioned post pandemic.

My taxes have only gone up because I have made more money. I'm fine with that kind of trade off.

Most families are struggling with the much higher costs of groceries and energy. Inflation has been similar in every western country, the US has done better than most post Covid. I do not feel that "most" families are struggling. You may not be but most are. Young couples that I know are struggling with trying to be first time home owners right now. Real estate prices are also extremely high. The real estate market has been climbing for years, we build too few houses for our population. I do not believe that a change in administration will lower real estate values for the housing market or that if that were to occur that it would be a good thing for our economy. I do not disagree it is hard for young buyers, it is, but that is not something the POTUS controls. Then there are the interest rates You do realize that lower interest rates are part of what drove real estate to these high prices right? Lowering interest rates, which I think we are ready for, will only push prices up. .

I too do well because I am self sufficient. That doesn't mean everyone else is doing so well. You fail to take in what's really happening to the majority out there. Much tougher times for them. I do not think the majority is struggling but those at the lower end certainly are. Plenty of people seem to be doing just fine, somewhat surprisingly so when you look at the economic disruption that the pandemic caused.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Now don’t you feel like a total idiot Steve? Basically Ann meant that Harris eluded to Biden being a racist in the past in a debate — and now we agree that is true.

You are arguing semantics as lies.

Allude means to suggest, elude means to avoid dodge or evade.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I think the economy has been outstanding the last few years, much it depends on the line of employment you are in and how you were positioned post pandemic.

My taxes have only gone up because I have made more money. I'm fine with that kind of trade off.

Is the smoke from the fires effecting your cognitive abilities this morning? Should we get you some ice cream and a seat next to Joe? (Hey maybe you can keep him from sniffing little children).


Inflation is rampant. Can you show me a western nation with a much different experience with inflation post Covid? I have posted the data many times, pretty similar for all western countries.

Gas is $1+ higher under this cabal. Gas prices are a reflecrtion of the global petroleum market, the war in Ukraine and the tensions in the ME are the biggest issues effecting the prices of gas. The US is pumping records amounts of oil but we do not refine our own oil here, we buy a better grade of crude on the world market to refine for our domestic market.

Groceries are up almost 30% and climbing.

Lordy even bubble wrap is 2x what it was 2 years ago.

I picked up yard edging yesterday and it’s almost doubled.


Don’t owe on my leg and tell me the economy is fine.
Inflation is only one aspect of the economy, the economy is very strong but starting to show signs of slowing growth due to the increased interest rates.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The IRS says the MEDIAN income is about $38k per taxpayer. As most people think mean, median, and average are interchangeable terms, let me remind you. Average is the total / count... it's more useful when there are few high low outliers. Median is the 50% mark... 50% of the sample is lower, ditto higher

Anyone foolish enough to not understand that a 25% price increase on people at, below, or even near the median isn't struggling lacks either a heart or a brain.

If I could be bothered, I'd find or compute the SD and explain the results.

Hey, stevie... are you aware that, at the moment, mortgage defaults are higher than any time other than the housing crisis?

Realtors which usually ain't poor, are saying their income is down by nearly half?

Unemployment is raising.. and the dow took a 700 point hit when the June numbers were announced

The job market is cooling, raising the fears of a ressession (hint, we have been in one for nearly a year)

30% rent increases, and, Stevie, most Americans are renters

Gas is still 50% higher than December 2020

Heck, while I could be wrong, didn't you post something about "sticking a soft landing " FROM this economic crisis?

I mean, I don't expect you meant to sound ignorant, but here we are

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?

I didn't that you could.....

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?

I didn't that you could.....

Sigh.. did you just get used to being wrong?
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-.../country-comparison/

The US is 87 on the list..

Let me be petulant " am I wrong"

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Sorry to disappoint you, stevie.. my internet is down and my shooting range is closed for flooding and trees down after a nasty storm blew through Dallas early this morning.. I have already done the laundry, taken out the trash, walked the dog, etc.. and I am bored,.so playing with my phone

Besides, with you crying out for affirmation on the notable occasion when you are correct, I was feeling some sympathy for you

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Originally posted by Hasher:
but could you explain to e big word to the year ?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Pestulant:

synonymous with deleterious troll in cyberspace

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?

I didn't that you could.....

Sigh.. did you just get used to being wrong?
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-.../country-comparison/

The US is 87 on the list..

Let me be petulant " am I wrong"

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Sorry to disappoint you, stevie.. my internet is down and my shooting range is closed for flooding and trees down after a nasty storm blew through Dallas early this morning.. I have already done the laundry, taken out the trash, walked the dog, etc.. and I am bored,.so playing with my phone

Besides, with you crying out for affirmation on the notable occasion when you are correct, I was feeling some sympathy for you

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Sorry to disappoint you, stevie.. my internet is down and my shooting range is closed for flooding and trees down after a nasty storm blew through Dallas early this morning.. I have already done the laundry, taken out the trash, walked the dog, etc.. and I am bored,.so playing with my phone

Besides, with you crying out for affirmation on the notable occasion when you are correct, I was feeling some sympathy for you

Bummer about the flooding and the range being closed, it is closed here as well, sheriff's order due to fire restrictions.


Shame your data was so weak, get back to me though if you can stay on topic, we were talking about Western Economies, not Andorra, Greenland, or Costa Rica.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?

I didn't that you could.....

Sigh.. did you just get used to being wrong?
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-.../country-comparison/

The US is 87 on the list..

Let me be petulant " am I wrong"

Ahh yes, all those Western countries with booming economies topping the list. You have to get to number 42 on the list to find the first Western Economy, Switzerland who does have a lower inflation rate. Then Denmark at #65 on the list, Canada at 79, Belgium at #82. A total of four countries on your list that have western economies with lower inflation rates than us, the remainder are third world shit holes or oil kingdoms in the ME. Even Denmark had an inflation rate on that chart of 3.31 compared to the US at 4.12%.

The IMF shows us at 2.9%

https://www.imf.org/external/d...PCH@WEO/WEOWORLD/VEN



Yes, I do believe that you are wrong. Look through the list and get back to me, Switzerland is your best best and that is a weak arguement. Your data, not mine.

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Originally posted by Hasher:


So you denigrate those countries because they are small and thus irrelevant.


Much line Tue left treats the middle of America.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Oh, and a little tidbit of news regarding the economy
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yo...bs-unemployment.html

~Ann

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

It is almost like you are dead wrong and want to renegotiate the challenge.. hmm, is 42 better or worse than 87

You skipped over the Netherlands, and oh. Lichtenstein too. You might look up deflation and why it is a bad thing. A very poor choice for an example on your part, I expect no less at this point . while TINY is fits your parameters of a western nation.. rational adults don't attempt to ignore data they don't like Rational adults do not look to deflation as goal. You might study up on economics a bit professor.

You thought I couldn't name 1, and yet by your own count, you list 4... hmm, we'll, look, when you count by 1s you can start anywhere, but 0 is the assumed starting point.. the. We add 1, so 0+1=1, which means 1>0, the. 1+1=2, again, just to be clear,2>1...ohhh.. the ">" symbol means " is greater than".. 2+1=3, 3>2, and then 3+1=4, 4>3... cool, we can agree on kindergarten math then... A couple of western nations had smaller, yet not much smaller inflation rates. Those would be considered similar by most rational adults, not you it seems.

"A" in your challenge can be used in correct Grammar to mean 1...

So, yeah...

I kept the count under 10, as I didn't wa t to stress you into taking off your shoes to count... as I am aggie, sometimes I still want to do that

You do you, boo.. I don't think anyone will point and laugh outloud, well, not many

Hint, this is the point an adult acknowledges their mistake..

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:


Placement on the list means squat.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:


So you denigrate those countries because they are small and thus irrelevant.


Much line Tue left treats the middle of America.

No, but do you really think rank on that list is what matters? How does the economy in Greenland compare in anyway to that of America? It does not and that is my point.

Our Fed targets 2% inflation, anything less is considered bad for the economy and a sign of contraction to come. The first 35 places on the list show less than 2% inflation.

Placement on the list means squat.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Now don’t you feel like a total idiot Steve? Basically Ann meant that Harris eluded to Biden being a racist in the past in a debate — and now we agree that is true.

You are arguing semantics as lies.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:


Placement on the list means squat.

And yet you were all hell bent that it didn't exist... and if it reinforced your position, you would be running around quoting it....

'Squat" and yet it was your challenge. Do you see the relationship there? You thought "squat" was important when you issued your challenge with your full chest

Again, a mature adult would say something like " well I'll be, my understanding has been improved".. we won't wait

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Now don’t you feel like a total idiot Steve? Basically Ann meant that Harris eluded to Biden being a racist in the past in a debate — and now we agree that is true.

You are arguing semantics as lies.

Mr. Wordsmith, the word you want is "alluded," not "eluded." I only comment because you've used the wrong word several times now, so may not know the difference.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ah.. yay.. a a round of lefty loony goalpost movement. First it was "most families aren't suffering from inflation".. and when that was pummeled with facts it became show me a better western economy than the us, and when that was again pummeled with facts, even after trying to renege on that by playing word games after the fact, NOW it's "deflation"..

Sorry Steve, most people don't try for 2 out of 3 when they've already lost the first 2.. and nah, we won't play 3 out of 5 today


You might go touch grass.. or, since you ate in CO, smoke some.. you are way behind on points, and this would be a great time to stop the embarrassment...


But, hey, you were acknowledged as right once today.. take the

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:


Placement on the list means squat.

And yet you were all hell bent that it didn't exist... and if it reinforced your position, you would be running around quoting it....

'Squat" and yet it was your challenge. Do you see the relationship there? You thought "squat" was important when you issued your challenge with your full chest

Again, a mature adult would say something like " well I'll be, my understanding has been improved".. we won't wait

You are one thick dude Jeffe. A smaller handful of western countries did slightly better than us inflation wise. Your list has close to half the countries ahead of us heading towards economic contraction. These are not goals. Climbing the list below the target of 2% inflation, the first 36 places on the list, is directly against the Feds goals, for a reason. Between number 36 and and 87 where the US shows up we have just few western nations with lower inflation.

Shame you are not able to follow along.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ah.. yay.. a a round of lefty loony goalpost movement. First it was "most families aren't suffering from inflation".. and when that was pummeled with facts it became show me a better western economy than the us, and when that was again pummeled with facts, even after trying to renege on that by playing word games after the fact, NOW it's "deflation"..

Sorry Steve, most people don't try for 2 out of 3 when they've already lost the first 2.. and nah, we won't play 3 out of 5 today


You might go touch grass.. or, since you ate in CO, smoke some.. you are way behind on points, and this would be a great time to stop the embarrassment...


But, hey, you were acknowledged as right once today.. take the

Must suck to be dumb and angry Jeffe. Due try to follow along these conversations. Maybe less chest thumping and a better understanding of economics.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
. A smaller handful of western countries did slightly better than us inflation wise.
Shame you are not able to follow along.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?
I didn't that you could
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Must suck to be dumb and angry Jeffe. Due try to follow along these conversations. Maybe less chest thumping and a better understanding of economics.

...You are one disingenuous turd Jeffe.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Didn't Kami call PedoJoe 0biden a racist?

She did, didn't she.

Those would be "Alternative Facts" Ann. In the real world that never happened.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620



https://www.newsweek.com/fact-...ratic-debate-1536791

Steve I watched her tell the world what a racist he was..... Patheti


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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
. A smaller handful of western countries did slightly better than us inflation wise.
Shame you are not able to follow along.

Weird, stevie.. it was important to you when you issued the challenge.. here, let me remind you

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?
I didn't that you could
.....

And by your own words, the condition was more than met....

I guess that's a derivation of "sour grapes"

I could send you a copy of aesop's fables if you didn't read them in school.. or didn't learn from them.. pm me your address and I'll send you a copy

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
. A smaller handful of western countries did slightly better than us inflation wise.
Shame you are not able to follow along.

Weird, stevie.. it was important to you when you issued the challenge.. here, let me remind you

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

Hey Jeffe,
Can you point out a western nation that has had inflation that is much lower than the inflation we have experienced here in the States?
I didn't that you could
.....

And by your own words, the condition was more than met....

I guess that's a derivation of "sour grapes"

I could send you a copy of aesop's fables if you didn't read them in school.. or didn't learn from them.. pm me your address and I'll send you a copy

Except that he used a qualifier (escape clause) in how he phrased it--"much lower."

A review of your link shows that no Western nation has experienced an inflation rate that is much lower than the US rate.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Damn that would suck, having to pack shit up to go to a shooting range.
I often want to just check a few different loads over the chrono. I step out my front door and shoot. Not worth it if I had to drive somewhere.
Steve, if you live in BFE, why cant you just step outside and shoot?