Biden commutes 1,500 sentences and issues 39 pardons in biggest single-day act of clemency in history

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...942a605e2afc33&ei=26

He is pretty much handing Trump a blank check of political capital to pardon freely.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...Pnf?ocid=socialshare

President Joe Biden to pardon 39 non-violent criminals , commute sentences of 1,500 others

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Originally posted by ledvm:
He is pretty much hand Trump a blank check of political capital to pardon freely.

Actually you did that already.

Biden gave him an open line of credit.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Biden gave him an open line of credit.

That's BS.

It's a false equiv too. Trump says he will pardon many convicted of violent crimes.

You like spin, a lot, so it could be argued that Trump gave Biden the open line.

The one pardon that I hope Biden doesn't give is to Trump.

There are many cases where neither Biden nor Trump can receive or give pardons.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...067cd2303145e3&ei=67

Wisconsin files 10 new criminal charges against 3 Trump associates
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...cb770a889479c4&ei=54

Alvin Bragg Doubles Down on Trump Case, Rejects Calls to Dismiss It
Story by Grace Hall • 3h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...9479c4&ei=54#image=1

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Story by Grace Hall • 18h

https://thehill.com/regulation...y-conviction-future/

Manhattan DA and state AG say Trump’s criminal and civil cases in New York should not be dismissed because he’s president

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10...iness-fraud-new-york

Judge to decide fate of Trump’s New York hush money conviction
by Zach Schonfeld and Ella Lee - 12/12/24 6:00 AM ET

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10...020-election-charges

As Trump’s legal cloud lifts, 45 allies still threatened by state-level 2020 election charges

https://abcnews.go.com/US/new-...l/story?id=116639628

New York AG will continue to pursue $454 million civil fraud judgment against Trump
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https://spectrumlocalnews.com/...ction?cid=share_clip

Manhattan DA suggests unusual idea for halting Trump’s hush money case while upholding his conviction
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https://www.politico.com/news/...il-lawsuits-00193121

More lawsuits are barreling toward Trump over Jan. 6
The criminal cases against the president-elect have crumbled, but he remains enmeshed in civil litigation over Jan. 6 and a barrage of cases he filed against the media.

https://www.usatoday.com/story...lawsuit/76261850007/

Trump's election helped him with his criminal cases. What about the civil lawsuits he faces?

https://www.theatlantic.com/id...ases-charges/675531/

The Cases Against Trump: A Guide
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By David A. Graham - The Atlantic

So yet more my guy it’s ok, your guy it’s wrong hypocritical behavior.

Just because YOU think it’s false equivalence doesn’t make it so.

Legally, Biden has the right.

Trump will have the right.

Nothing anybody can do about it at this point.

In my opinion, it’s showing that there really isn’t much difference morally between Biden and Trump.

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Just because YOU think it’s false equivalence doesn’t make it so.

Actually, I think it's a fact that it's false equivalence.

The difference is in the words "non-violent criminals" vs violent criminals. And Trump is planning to pardon seditionists and insurrectionists. That's a fact.

Other differences are those Biden pardoned are not referred to as political hostages or patriots by Biden.

And Biden is not pardoning to gain political capital. Trump is and he's embellishing it with multiple lies.

And saying "there really isn’t much difference morally between Biden and Trump" doesn't' show what you think it does.

That's a twofer in the same post.

It's shows that you don't have the ability to make distinctions which explains why you in particular make false equivalences often.

Oh, I get the differences you claim, I just feel they’re not significant.

The items I saw were the 39 pardons that Biden gave today were nonviolent… but he’s also saying more are coming… and the 1500 commutations were not stated as all being nonviolent. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are related to the Floyd riots.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Just because YOU think it’s false equivalence doesn’t make it so.

Actually, I think it's a fact that it's false equivalence.

The difference is in the words "non-violent criminals" vs violent criminals. And Trump is planning to pardon seditionists and insurrectionists. That's a fact.

Other differences are those Biden pardoned are not referred to as political hostages or patriots by Biden.

And Biden is not pardoning to gain political capital. Trump is and he's embellishing it with multiple lies.

And saying "there really isn’t much difference morally between Biden and Trump" doesn't' show what you think it does.

That's a twofer in the same post.

It's shows that you don't have the ability to make distinctions which explains why you in particular make false equivalences often.

It’s a chess game
Biden is baiting Trump by pardoning tons of people to do the same and Dems establishment will use it in next election against Trump and republicans
Gotta love politics, best chess game ever

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Biden gave him an open line of credit.

No matter what.

Trump is very good at going BANKRUPT!

I cant believe Biden commuted that "kids for cash" judge. Harsh sentences for 2 mil in kickbacks? He should stay in jail for life.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I cant believe Biden commuted that "kids for cash" judge. Harsh sentences for 2 mil in kickbacks? He should stay in jail for life.

That alone should silence all the claims of false equivalence.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
That alone should silence all the claims of false equivalence.

But it won't.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I cant believe Biden commuted that "kids for cash" judge. Harsh sentences for 2 mil in kickbacks? He should stay in jail for life.

Despicable!

But old goofy Joe has no idea....he doesn't even know what day of the week it is. He isn't "presiding" over anything

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by theback40:
I cant believe Biden commuted that "kids for cash" judge. Harsh sentences for 2 mil in kickbacks? He should stay in jail for life.

That alone should silence all the claims of false equivalence.

President’s discretion. I do not like this person received clemency, but the person so vested gets the call.

If the next Dem Presidential Canister defends the decision, I will put that in the reasons not to vote for them when the assessment comes.

That crime was very harmful, traumatic, and dangerous to those children. In addition, to the destruction that crime did to justice.

Rita Crundwell was client of mine for years. When the FBI was gathering her assets I first had to dedicate an office staff to them to help them find them and then was hired by the FBI to house and take care of her assets so they could be sold. What she did to that poor town was unbelievable. I cannot imagine why/how Biden would find his way to commute her sentence.

I don't agree that it's presidential discretion and we should just put up with dubious pardons. Presidents who issue them should pay the price, by public criticism if nothing else.

Over the years I've seen many despicable presidential pardons by various presidents. Both sides of the aisle. Presidents seem to give in to their worst impulses when it comes to pardons.

The Biden pardons mentioned here sound indefensible. I'd like to know the rationale behind them...but of course presidents never reveal the rationale.

I believe presidents are usually paying back contributors or returning political favors when they do this. Maybe Crundwell's spouse or relative was a contributor either to Biden or to some other politician Biden owed a favor to.

Politicians get to do many things we, the voters, dont like. But, the politicians will use any perk they can get away with.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I don't agree that it's presidential discretion and we should just put up with dubious pardons.

Awww, headless disagrees with the constitution, again.. shocker

I don’t see Roland disagreeing with the constitution, rather with the lack of accountability.

I’m certain that any limitation on pardons would need to be a constitutional change unless it was, like some states, more a policy change that the officeholders just abided by.

I agree with him that presidents have made pardons and commutations of dubious character over the years.

The defense of Biden by claiming any parent would do so is a crock with regards to Hunter. I can understand it, but it’s a condemnation not a justification.

And again, his acts of clemency show all the business of Biden being a kindly if somewhat addled old man are false. The guy is and was as bad as his opposition was claimed to be… maybe worse because Trump at least tells you what he thinks/plans on doing; Biden et al at least know that their proposed action is wrong enough that you don’t broadcast it while folks are making decisions on who to vote for.

I knew Trump says he would pardon a bunch of rioters and miscreants. Biden said he would not pardon Hunter, and on its face lots of people trusted his word.

Looks to me that ME and his cries of false equivalency are just so much whistling in the wind.

Doc, coupled with his self stated elitism (which is only 3 short steps from aristocracy) then questioning literally his president... well, maybe that shows a little growth...

As for him being elitist and his concept that either he should get more votes or his vote should count more is funny.



The "liberal elite" is exactly why 6 million less dems showed up to vote, and thick headed people are a huge part of it.

And, frankly, I like pointing out his hypocrisy.. I am 99% sure he has me on ignore, because he is tired of continuously losing arguments..

Does that mean Rolland was all for blacks being counted as 3/5ths of a person?

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Originally posted by theback40:
Does that mean Rolland was all for blacks being counted as 3/5ths of a person?

in private, and only landowners to vote --

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I don’t see Roland disagreeing with the constitution, rather with the lack of accountability.

I’m certain that any limitation on pardons would need to be a constitutional change unless it was, like some states, more a policy change that the officeholders just abided by.

I agree with him that presidents have made pardons and commutations of dubious character over the years.

The defense of Biden by claiming any parent would do so is a crock with regards to Hunter. I can understand it, but it’s a condemnation not a justification.

And again, his acts of clemency show all the business of Biden being a kindly if somewhat addled old man are false. The guy is and was as bad as his opposition was claimed to be… maybe worse because Trump at least tells you what he thinks/plans on doing; Biden et al at least know that their proposed action is wrong enough that you don’t broadcast it while folks are making decisions on who to vote for.

I knew Trump says he would pardon a bunch of rioters and miscreants. Biden said he would not pardon Hunter, and on its face lots of people trusted his word.

Looks to me that ME and his cries of false equivalency are just so much whistling in the wind.

My point was that when presidents issue pardons like these, we shouldn't just throw up our hands and say "presidential discretion." We may not be able to void the pardons on any legal ground, but we can and should heap all the criticism on the president that we can generate.

Biden should be followed by criticism for these pardons for the rest of his life. Shunned socially, if I had my way. Labeled a scoundrel.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I don’t see Roland disagreeing with the constitution, rather with the lack of accountability.

I’m certain that any limitation on pardons would need to be a constitutional change unless it was, like some states, more a policy change that the officeholders just abided by.

I agree with him that presidents have made pardons and commutations of dubious character over the years.

The defense of Biden by claiming any parent would do so is a crock with regards to Hunter. I can understand it, but it’s a condemnation not a justification.

And again, his acts of clemency show all the business of Biden being a kindly if somewhat addled old man are false. The guy is and was as bad as his opposition was claimed to be… maybe worse because Trump at least tells you what he thinks/plans on doing; Biden et al at least know that their proposed action is wrong enough that you don’t broadcast it while folks are making decisions on who to vote for.

I knew Trump says he would pardon a bunch of rioters and miscreants. Biden said he would not pardon Hunter, and on its face lots of people trusted his word.

Looks to me that ME and his cries of false equivalency are just so much whistling in the wind.

My point was that when presidents issue pardons like these, we shouldn't just throw up our hands and say "presidential discretion." We may not be able to void the pardons on any legal ground, but we can and should heap all the criticism on the president that we can generate.

Biden should be followed by criticism for these pardons for the rest of his life. Shunned socially, if I had my way. Labeled a scoundrel.

oh, honey .. i know you are tired of losing --

this is the most OBVIOUS "seed planting and foreshadowing" that you are planning on fighting every trump action -- it's as obvious as a cat trying to bury a scat on a tile floor -

i don't question that it's within biden's power to pardon his son .. sure it is, don't care -- the PARDON isn't the issue -- it's the lies and bad character to have stated, for months, he wasn't going to do so, and that "no one is above the law" from biden's own lips -- a whole series of lies, that the dems took "moral high ground" on, only to find it was a "island" in a cesspit