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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Is there discussion of who are "us", "our", "image" and "likeness"? ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Except you ignore Genius, the Bible’s clear indications that man must make choices. “God’s will that none souls parish, but all come to repentance.” Clearly what God wants, can do, and what he permits are not the same. Glad to see Dr. Easter join on that God moved a bullet to kill a msn to save Trump. Gif could have caused the bullet to deflect and not hit anyone. Or simply disappear in flight. Naw, God moved the built just enough so someone else died. He should be honored in his last moments to be sacrificed by God for Trump. By your reasoning Hid chose every politician you dislike. You and people like you are not of Gid. You hide behind him, you sell him to make folks hate each other, to create social division, and to enslave us. God is nothing more than a political weapon. If it all fails today. I will never say your state approved and mandated prayer. When you stone me, like Stephen angles will carry me. You people are false and dangerous. May God not hold it to your charge, those who have accepted the advocacy of Jesus and by Jesus, he won’t for being so misguided. | |||
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I asked a question:
************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Yes there is. Groups claim that Us is God and Jesus. This was given in support of what became the Nicene Creed. Additional textual support is, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” By starting out his gospel stating, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with. The Greek word translated “Word” in this passage is Logos, and it was common in both Greek philosophy and Jewish thought of that day. For example, in the Old Testament the “word” of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God’s will (Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18). So, for his Jewish readers, by introducing Jesus as the “Word,” John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or “Word” of God is associated with the personification of God’s revelation. And in Greek philosophy, the term Logos was used to describe the intermediate agency by which God created material things and communicated with them. In the Greek worldview, the Logos was thought of as a bridge between the transcendent God and the material universe. Therefore, for his Greek readers the use of the term Logos would have likely brought forth the idea of a mediating principle between God and the world. So, essentially, what John is doing by introducing Jesus as the Logos is drawing upon a familiar word and concept that both Jews and Gentiles of his day would have been familiar with and using that as the starting point from which he introduces them to Jesus Christ. But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had and presents Jesus Christ not as a mere mediating principle like the Greeks perceived, but as a personal being, fully divine, yet fully human. Also, Christ was not simply a personification of God’s revelation as the Jews thought, but was indeed God’s perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh, so much so that John would record Jesus’ own words to Philip: "Jesus said unto him, 'Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, "Show us the Father"?'" (John 14:9). By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept with which his audience was familiar and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin. The idea being to establish Jesus and God/Father, as two separate, but equal and non-created entities. Had, Jesus been a created entity, he could not be God. Now, one can reject this. Many did at the formation of the faith as an institution. They lost the debate. Those who did not submit were persecuted by other Christians. Let us make men in our own image, No serious person believes God looks like us. One of my favorite versus is God is a spirt. The most accepted reasoning is God is a being of reason, passion (God is declared jealous. Is jealousy not a sin?), the ability to choose, mercy, even create. Now a fun discussion, let us just assume that lying is a sin no matter what the extent or circumstances. That is not what the Commandment speaks to. If God cannot not sin, then God cannot lie. | |||
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Jesus was clear that God’s will…will be done on earth. End of story. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You mean the one which starts “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal” … unless your skin is the wrong colour, or you don’t have a Y chromosome. If they couldn’t even get that right why would you have any faith in their thoughts or comments on religion? | |||
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Yes, but not everything done on earth is Gods will… and an awful lot of terrible things are/ have been done with the justification that they are Gods will. The sooner people stop using God as the justification for their actions toward others and just worry about their own behaviour as an individual the better this world will be. | |||
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Except you ignore all the “Bible” that disputes your 3rd grade Sunday school understanding. | |||
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Does anyone still wonder why the Founders kept the Bible, dogma and religion out of the constitution? The last page or two of this thread should be explanation enough. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I think I have a pretty good understanding of the whole Bible and unlike you…I “know” God has a plan. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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How many shots did Crooks get off? IMO way too many and Trump was definitely lucky. He moved his head, that saved him. The SS are a complete, utter failure. None of this should have happened, not Comperatore's death or the other attendee's injuries. Routh never should have happened either. ~Ann | |||
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The habit of "knowing" based on belief is habit forming. IOW circular. It's mighty convenient though, saves time and the trouble to do critical thinking. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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You have demonstrated you do not. | |||
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8 shots. Shit happens when it shouldn't. A supposedly suicidal person got into the Capitol with a loaded gun. Shouldn't have happened, but it did. Several individuals have boarded airplanes unnoticed. Shouldn't have happened, but it did. If anyone thinks that God had anything to do with it, well he didn't. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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If God's plan includes all the events on this world, the hurt humans do each other, then He is one sick, sadistic Supreme Being. | |||
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If that’s true, everything is God’s will, then why would man be endowed with free will? | |||
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The Bible thumpers will tell you that God works in mysterious ways, and it’s not for you to understand. You’re just a lowly piece of shit, just blindly follow me. | |||
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That was not appropriate. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I don't think that that was intended at Roland. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Hardly. But you have demonstrated that you fail to grasp the fundamental concept that Jesus taught which was regardless of man’s actions God’s Will always prevails. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My postions on the topic of whose Will is st post in the Trump assassination are supported w scripture. You have not refuted any of them. You are nothing but a political hack, and God had nothing to do with it. | |||
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I dimly remember debating the Catholics of my youth on this matter. Are we endowed with free will, or are we predictably reacting to circumstances? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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You judge by human standards with the limited scope of knowledge of a human. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Try this: God wanted companions. To be worthy of God’s love and also worthy to return it, man needed free will. God knew from the beginning that given the ability, man, not being God, would chose sin and bring the wages thereof into the perfect world God had created. Sin and the consequences are the products of mankind’s gift of choice, abused by all of us. The misery of this sinful world is corporately shared by all of us. While sometimes a clear relationship to a particular act exists, not every misery is directly our fault. It is our (mankind’s) unredeemed status. Our choices, our consequences. From Genesis the plan of forgiveness for our choices (and the result of not being removed forever from fellowship with God) was explained. Abraham was told to perform a blood sacrifice of Issac, but because of Abraham’s faith, God provided a substitute, a perfect ramcaught by its horns by the alter Abraham built. That Old Testament story (and dozens of other Biblical references) foretold God (in the person of Jesus) coming to the world as the perfect and sinless sacrifice, 100% man and 100% God. Killed on the cross exactly as predicted, he descended into hell, suffered what we deserved (not him) and now sits on the right hand of God. Knowing him provides Peace that surpasses all understanding. John 3:16 explains : For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall be saved (paraphrased a bit) … from death and the wages of sin. So is God a sicko or did he love us enough to have the choice and joy of loving him back throughout eternity? Your choice and your consequences. I vote for the latter. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I judge by the word of Hod. See above. God did not move the bullet and sacrifice another man so Trump would live in be president. The will, choice, and execution was all in the hands of man. You a) do not believe what you are selling, and b) are only selling it for political reasons. Let us assume you believe this, you are a dangerous zealot that has allowed your ability to know God to be tarnished w politics. Either way, may Hid keep you. Judges. It is our choices. His made a path to return us to perfect communion w him, through Jesus. ( From our Christian perspective). The rest is ours to work or break. A man decided and tried to take a life. It was that man’s inability that caused his intended to live and another to die. For had no hand on it. We are responsible, not God, not Satan. We. Fate cannot be ignored. The sun rises bc God designed it to according to constrained truth/science. The rain falls on the just and unjust alike. Matthew. God is not a Republican Santa Clause allowing others to die for the political elevation of Trump/and his political movement. Everything Jesus did in the New Testament concerning the pharisees and their relationship to the state and religion was rebuked by Jesus. They killed Jesus for it. God can know they would and have positioned Christ manifestation upon the Earth for that purpose. The choice was still theirs. They made it. Others, even in that class, chose to accept Jesus and rebuke this notion of the political. | |||
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ledvm, That was one of the best comebacks possible | |||
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Yet you pretend to know more. | |||
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OK, I accept that I judge by human standards, whatever the hell that means. That implies there must be God standards. Where did you learn about God standards? Just give us two of those standards. Another question: I see all of these players after a game crediting the lord for their victory. Does God actually impact who wins? Is he a football fan and say really, really likes the Buckeyes? JudgeG said above that God wanted buddies because presumably he was lonely, so maybe he would like to tailgate. But if he is all powerful why can’t he simply make himself unlonely. Can God make a rock so big that he can’t move it? Why not, if he all powerful? | |||
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Why can't we understand God's standards? That makes no sense. Why would God create sentient beings and expect them to follow his orders, then create them in a way that they can't understand him? What happened to "in His own image"? Doesn't that mean our minds should be patterned after His? It's not logical--yes, I mean human logic, but that's what He left me with. Make a being that can't understand Him? Then give that being commandments to follow? Unlikely. Such conundrums are why I prefer Deism. | |||
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No sir, unlike Joshua, I accept that I don’t and am incapable of fully understanding. That fact is reiterated daily by simple things such as looking into the night sky and contemplating space and complex things such as knowing all what we can accomplish medically but still not being able to spontaneously put life back into a physically repaired but dead body. Unlike Joshua, I don’t pretend to understand fully God’s will on July 13, 2024. But I do know God is in charge, has a plan, and his will is enacted on earth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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More human logic projected onto the deity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It is not that we can’t understand Him — we can and His standards are shared. But there are levels of understanding and ours is vastly subpar to His. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Even the scripture says we lack perfect understanding. We see through a glass darkly. Everything you say is rejected by scripture. You simply do not have any grasp of the scripture beyond a third graders Sunday school. That is because what is easy is easy to bend to your political goals/agenda. God is not your politics. | |||
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Lane, there more evidence that we live in a simulation than there is of a God.(albeit, there’s not much of that at either). There are better odds that there is some pimple-faced kid playing with a joy stick than some God in our image. You rely on the tales written a hundred years after the event and translated by those with less than great linguistic abilities. Man has created lots of myths and legends, the legend of Jesus was a myth that grabbed hold. In part, due to oppressed people having Roman hobbed nailed books on their necks. “The meek shall inherit the earth.,” must of resonated with the downtrodden. | |||
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There is no dispute that slaves and women were the base of the earliest church. Women were even deacon. We know this because a Roman Governor observed it. | |||
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The teachings of Jesus show us what Gods standards are. The exact words have been translated and in some cases massaged somewhat but if you take nothing else from what he said read Mark 25:40. What you do unto the least of these my brethren, you do unto me. | |||
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I moved this post from another thread since it's more relevant here:
(Hegseth referred to the "dust on his boots" from his combat deployments to Iraq and vowing to be a "change agent" and "disruptor," at the Pentagon.) I have witnessed such human rationalizations from supposed religious perspective all my adult life. In my youth I didn't know that's what they are. Forgiveness is practically null in this case. So, he's forgiven for whatever, like we have that prerogative, and it makes a difference. So, Lane's premise is that God's will includes all these predictable corrupt people who gravitate to Trump's orbit, all forgiven of course. Some of the traits they all seem to have in common are corruption and disruption. Several so far have been convicted or disbarred, or both. More to come. All Liberal lawfare, of course, in Lane's God Guided opinion. This article introduces the concept of "Zeitgeist". {zeit·geist /ˈzītˌɡīst/ noun the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.} I don't agree with the conclusions of the article, but post it for perspective. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...2068ce71cc893cd&ei=7 Donald Trump is a Great Man of History Opinion by Roger Kimball • 9h • 4 min read (excerpt) Thomas Carlyle would have been impressed by Donald Trump. The author of On Heroes, Hero-Worship, and the Heroic in History (1841) thought that history organised itself around great men the way that iron filings form patterns in a magnetic field. The eighteenth century, Carlyle thought, had lost its moral elasticity and spiritual tautness. He prophesied that his own time would be a crucible of renewal in which “the world will once more become … a heroic world”. Over the last year, Donald Trump has emerged as a Carlylean figure, an historic man of action who, having triumphed over extraordinary adversity, has become a totem of the age, a man through whom the highest ambitions of the country find expression. I know that sounds odd. A year ago, Trump was finished. Somehow, Trump not only survived but thrived. Did he merely ride the cresting wave of the Zeitgeist or also help define it? The same question might be asked of Caesar, Napoleon, FDR, or Ronald Reagan. Here and there one finds pods of sad people like Chris Mayes, the Attorney General of Arizona, who has vowed to resist aspects of Trump’s immigration efforts. One might as well vow to resist a tornado. Elsewhere, in the real world, what had been an anti-Trump consensus is disintegrating. Even Politico has absorbed an inkling of the truth. Trump is, a recent column tells us, “someone with an ability to perceive opportunities that most politicians do not and forge powerful, sustained connections with large swaths of people in ways that no contemporary can match. In other words: He is a force of history.” The title of that column is revealing. “Time to Admit It: Trump Is a Great President. He’s Still Trying To Be a Good One.” I think there are two things to be said about this. Let me turn to Horace Walpole for the first. “No country was ever saved by good men,” Walpole once observed, “because good men will not go to the length that may be necessary”. This is where a certain expedient moral ambiguity enters. Like many people, I believe that Donald Trump is on the threshold of saving America. That is, I believe that his diagnosis of America’s problems is accurate. I also believe that Trump’s proposed solutions – articulated in his tsunami of executive orders and presidential proclamations – have the best chance of inaugurating that “new golden age” he touts. Does that also mean that I believe that Trump is not a “good man”? No, and to explain why I turn to Cardinal Newman. A man, said Newman, “may be great in one aspect of his character, and little-minded in another … A good man may make a bad king; profligates have been great statesmen, or magnanimous political leaders.” As far as I know, no one has proposed Donald Trump for sainthood. Moreover, in the ways that matter for a president, he has shown himself to be a man of good character. Any meaningful definition of good character has to involve an instrumental element. Otherwise the character in question would be impotent. This is part of what Aristotle meant, I think, when he observed that “it is our choice of good or evil that determines our character, not our opinion about good or evil”. On issue after issue – the economy, national security, energy policy, free speech, crime – Donald Trump’s “common sense” revolution promises to restore America’s preeminence. Along with other larger-than-life personalities like Elon Musk, Donald Trump signals the welcome return of the Great Man idea of historical evolution. ================================================================== The sentence that grabs me the most in the above article: This is part of what Aristotle meant, I think, when he observed that “it is our choice of good or evil that determines our character, not our opinion about good or evil” I did a search on that and it appears the author misquoted Aristotle when he substituted "our" for "your": These are results for it is our choice of good or evil that determines your character, not your opinion about good or evil Search instead for it is our choice of good or evil that determines our character, not our opinion about good or evil AI Overview Learn more This statement means that what truly defines a person's character is the actions they choose to take, whether they are considered "good" or "evil," rather than simply what they believe or think about good and evil; essentially, your character is revealed by your choices, not just your opinions. Key points: Action speaks louder than words: It's not enough to say you believe in good things, you must also act accordingly to demonstrate a good character. Moral agency: This idea is often attributed to philosophers like Aristotle, who emphasized the importance of deliberate choice in shaping one's character. Example: Someone might hold the opinion that stealing is wrong, but if they still steal when given the opportunity, their actions contradict their belief, indicating a potential character flaw. =================================================================== Of course, Free Will is relevant in the choices made. So, the question that arises is, Does Lane and/or Trump really have a choice? Lane is deferring choice to God's Will and ignoring considerations of good or evil. Also, in context, staying with the theme or premise of the article, "Somehow, Trump not only survived but thrived. Did he merely ride the cresting wave of the Zeitgeist or also help define it? The same question might be asked of Caesar, Napoleon, FDR, or Ronald Reagan." Suppose it is correct to say that Trump exemplifies the personality traits of the Dark Triad like no leader before him, in the US. It certainly explains his rise to power, but does that meet the author's criteria for Great or Good? How does that fit into "the cresting wave of the Zeitgeist"? =================================================================== Here's another example of Zeitgeist: https://youtu.be/vUgs2O7Okqc?si=jgHPj3HJ0dQAuvjE Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (7/10) Movie CLIP - The High Water Mark (1998) HD ================================================================= And if you think the concept is interesting, here's an article, published before the election, that's about Trump and Zeitgeist: Donald Trump: Man of Destiny How the idea of the Zeitgeist infects American culture Kurt Keefner Jul 17, 2024 https://kurtkeefner.substack.c...=post&utm_medium=web (Closing paragraphs) The problem is, you can’t be “heroic” unless you’re an actually a hero, which Trump is not. He might have been courageous (or foolhardy, take your pick), but he wasn’t heroic. Probably he just knew that he had a fantastic moment for a photo op. So, what do we make of Trump and America’s misguided belief in the Zeitgeist? I’m sad to say that we might not be able to do much of anything. Trump is a drug, like the heroin that some cool people indulge in (or at least did in the 1960s when heroin was chic; now heroin users are just pitiful), and we’re not likely to give it up and go back to our boring lives. Harris is boring. Almost all politicians are at least somewhat boring, unless they’re fanatics. Then they’re frightening. I think our only hope is to attack the idea of the Zeitgeist head-on, because that is the underlying rot in our culture. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. 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You forget that when the Bible was translated into English originally, there was (and still is) the "Royal We" that is used by rulers (they embody the whole nation) and folks like editors. Gender constructs like pronouns are very different in every language. I dimly recall ancient Hebrew/Aramaic having some special words that denote divinity that English does not have... perhaps someone with a better classical education than I can weigh in on that.
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