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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It's mind blowing for me to read and see now that anything goes so long as it on our side.

Rape, pillage and burn is acceptable and understandable for the BLM folks so long as someone has a BLM t-shirt on somewhere. It's historical trauma or something like that.

In order to defend abortion rights it's recommended to infringe on SCOTUS judges rights.

Criminal efforts to overthrow the Biden administration is ok since it was Biden after all, we really wanted trump anyway and the folks looting the Capitol were wearing MAGA hats just like mine.

There is no more civility or Rule of Law, there is no more honor or morality, it's all reduced to, "what do I need to do to win?!?!?!".

I am blown away.

Exactly! Scott, wrong is wrong and right is right.

But remember, when you fight someone that doesn't care about truth and honor, and you fight by the rules you usually lose.

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True or not, probably not something either one of us will teach our kids.
Correct. Me either.
If the opposition lies, I can't tell mine to lie also. If the opposition is a thief, a murderer, a rapist,......
No, never! But I've taught them that when they have to deal with a less than honorable person, that all rules are off
I could tell you a couple funny stories, you tell me about how when your kids were really little they observed you doing something and mimicked you.
Yep! That bit me in the rear end more than once!
Our kids are watching Pelosi and Schumer, Trump and Cuomo, the January 6th videos and the BLM riots and looting. Wait for the mimicry.
That's where our jobs as parents begin! Its our duty to teach them right from wrong. I know you are busy doing just that, no doubt at all.
January 6th was more than burning down a Wendy's, more than Portland surrendering to antifa, much different than Rodney King. As I've said before, the perpetrators of January 6th should have been repulsed authoritatively, brutally, with finality. That should have been a lesson for Hamas, the Taliban, BLM, antifa ect.
I wonder if one is worse than the other.......riots and disturbance are not to be condoned at all, under any condition. Bit, I wonder, as I've wondered before........all the antifa, leftist rioting and violence that actually caused deaths......most of that was against private business and private property, local government..... The rioting on 1/6 was against the federal government.....the actual entity that those people where fed up with, those that the people felt where not representing them????? Not private business not private property. And the 1/6 rioters where not armed. I know its not a good comparison to but if those fed up with taxation without representation had burned private businesses instead of dumping tea in Boston harbor where we would be now? I wonder then how many citizens said those men should have been imprisoned???? Do you feel that you are getting proper representation for your tax dollars? I dont? I think our something needs to shake up our representatives. I know how happy you are with funding Ukraine's war.....about as happy as I am with our wide open southern border!
Fuck around and find out.

I think those I mentioned above learned the opposite lesson.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
This event was NO insurrection. Anyone that uses that term is an idiot…plain and simple.

It was a riot. And some people broke the law. They damn sure should be punished if they did.

But tell me…what did this idiot with the horns actually do? He didn’t trespass…he was led in by the police.

This whole event was a shit show and a stain on our country…but it is a whole helluva lot different than the media and the J6 Committee make it out.

My trust for our government weakens a bit more.

If the buffalo guy got four years in prison for being there.....the cops that willingly allowed him to be there should get a much longer sentence. They, after all are there to stop crime, not aid crime.

Why aren't the panty wringers going after those cops????

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The OP point is that Carlson has done the expected with the unique access to info. He's tried to paint an alt-reality narrative. And folks are buying into it. That was McCarthy's intent, and apparent agreement with Carlson.

Poor old mangina.....she doesn't like the facts.....just cut and paste editorials that match her agenda.

What a miserable excuse for a human.

You probably just love the CNN edit of Hawley running from the building..... And deny the others ahead of him.....the CNN edit...


Trumps a fascist! Trumps a fascist! But!!! Schumer calling for FOX to not show the actual tapes and video of the event is all apple pie and freedom.....just pathetic....leftists are disgusting!
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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It's mind blowing for me to read and see now that anything goes so long as it on our side.

Rape, pillage and burn is acceptable and understandable for the BLM folks so long as someone has a BLM t-shirt on somewhere. It's historical trauma or something like that.

In order to defend abortion rights it's recommended to infringe on SCOTUS judges rights.

Criminal efforts to overthrow the Biden administration is ok since it was Biden after all, we really wanted trump anyway and the folks looting the Capitol were wearing MAGA hats just like mine.

There is no more civility or Rule of Law, there is no more honor or morality, it's all reduced to, "what do I need to do to win?!?!?!".

I am blown away.

Exactly! Scott, wrong is wrong and right is right.

But remember, when you fight someone that doesn't care about truth and honor, and you fight by the rules you usually lose.

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True or not, probably not something either one of us will teach our kids.
Correct. Me either.
If the opposition lies, I can't tell mine to lie also. If the opposition is a thief, a murderer, a rapist,......
No, never! But I've taught them that when they have to deal with a less than honorable person, that all rules are off
I could tell you a couple funny stories, you tell me about how when your kids were really little they observed you doing something and mimicked you.
Yep! That bit me in the rear end more than once!
Our kids are watching Pelosi and Schumer, Trump and Cuomo, the January 6th videos and the BLM riots and looting. Wait for the mimicry.
That's where our jobs as parents begin! Its our duty to teach them right from wrong. I know you are busy doing just that, no doubt at all.
January 6th was more than burning down a Wendy's, more than Portland surrendering to antifa, much different than Rodney King. As I've said before, the perpetrators of January 6th should have been repulsed authoritatively, brutally, with finality. That should have been a lesson for Hamas, the Taliban, BLM, antifa ect.
I wonder if one is worse than the other.......riots and disturbance are not to be condoned at all, under any condition. Bit, I wonder, as I've wondered before........all the antifa, leftist rioting and violence that actually caused deaths......most of that was against private business and private property, local government..... The rioting on 1/6 was against the federal government.....the actual entity that those people where fed up with, those that the people felt where not representing them????? Not private business not private property. And the 1/6 rioters where not armed. I know its not a good comparison to but if those fed up with taxation without representation had burned private businesses instead of dumping tea in Boston harbor where we would be now? I wonder then how many citizens said those men should have been imprisoned???? Do you feel that you are getting proper representation for your tax dollars? I dont? I think our something needs to shake up our representatives. I know how happy you are with funding Ukraine's war.....about as happy as I am with our wide open southern border!
Fuck around and find out.

I think those I mentioned above learned the opposite lesson.

Maybe it is a good comparison.

To the Authorities, to the ruling government, the Boston Tea Party participants were insurrectionists. The Colonials were treasonous.

No, I don't think I'm getting proper representation for my tax dollars, but I'm not ready to rebel over it. I make a few bucks, I claim a few deductions, I seem to get ahead a bit. Fine, a little.

If as you say the January 6th folks were fed up with the federal government, fighting against the representatives they don't think were representing them that sounds like insurrection to me.

It looks to me like the 1/6 folks and their advocates are in a small minority. If violence as a continuing method is the idea for them they don't have mine or majority support. This nation is changing and not for the better I think, but rather than rebel I think I'll do like the pilgrims on the Mayflower and set sail.

Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

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Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

quote:

Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

No struggle here. The horned nutter as well as the others were attempting to stop the peaceful transition of power and usurp the will of the voters.

Lock them all up and throw away the key.

There is zero excuse for anarchy. We have a court system and your perceived wrongs should be addressed through it, not with a spear and bullhorn on the floor of congress.

This is not nearly as complicated as you are attempting to paint it.

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Originally posted by skb:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

quote:

Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

No struggle here. The horned nutter as well as the others were attempting to stop the peaceful transition of power and usurp the will of the voters.

Lock them all up and throw away the key.

There is zero excuse for anarchy. We have a court system and your perceived wrongs should be addressed through it, not with a spear and bullhorn on the floor of congress.

This is not nearly as complicated as you are attempting to paint it.

Lying and ignoring facts is always complicated.

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Facts:
Carlson is a liar. There are those who want the affirmation he offers. It's harmful in several ways. The rule of law has served justice for many participants of the 1/6 "event". The whole point of the alt-narrative is to undermine the Rule of Law.

In contrast, other "riots" or BLM or antifa are not about substituting a loser for a winner, by unconstitutional means, for the office of POTUS.

Trumpism, MAGA, and all the Fodder are ALL about the destruction of the foundation of Rule of Law.

It's a significant difference.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I did last night to see what the follow up was like.

I suggest you all do the same for once rather than allow the political demonization steer your opinion.

The Shaman guy was clearly escorted, even to the extent of officers trying to open locked doors for him and then eventually walking him INTO (not away from) the Senate chamber.
Also, his former attorney was interviewed and said plainly that he HAD requested the video footage of his client and was refused.

The entire thing stinks and what Lane says above about mistrust of the government is all too obvious regardless of the drivel Mitchell spouts.

Just take a look for yourselves. Pretty obvious.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn sometimes.

It's a question of significance and context.

One would have to conclude that the rule of law is all messed up for this guy to have been unjustly sentenced to prison.

That's the stand-alone premise.

But there are thousands of inferences/conclusions that could and will stem from that first one.

It's like a red tide of lies.

We must think of all this carefully.

Thinking of all this carefully:

First question - why is Carlson doing this? What's his motive, aside from money?

Why is his platform Fox News?

Why does his show and platform have such high ratings and following?

If he and others really are purveyors of false narratives and alt-reality, why is that necessary and has such a large and hungry market?

Is there a collateral connection to Trumpism, and Trump who is a proven psycho liar, and his rise and hopefully fall?

Supposing I'm all wrong in my assessments of all this. What does that mean?

Does that mean that all Fox and Carlson says are narratives of reality, the way it really is, and will be, and has been?

Does it mean that the Right/conservatives have the correct worldview and ideology, and are really patriots of the highest ethics, morals and intent, and are the most well informed?

Does it mean that all the loathing and hate of the left is correct?

The answers are not mutually exclusive. The answers are tied to one another.

Which is the scariest scenario - That I'm right, or that I'm wrong? The answer is associated with: Which is more scary - the constitutional democracy of the Founders, or the Fascism of Trumpism?

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Which is the scariest scenario - That I'm right, or that I'm wrong? The answer is associated with: Which is more scary - the constitutional democracy of the Founders, or the Fascism of Trumpism?

I don't think it's as black and white as that.

Our government has clearly overstepped the bounds which the Founders envisioned - and it isn't just a byproduct of the march of technology or solely attributable to the Right.
If one was to apply the simple definition of Fascism, the Democrats in office have much to answer for.

Britannica Dictionary definition of FASCISM

1 Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government the rise of Fascism in Europe before World War II

2 : very harsh control or authority corporate fascism


The thing is, we are ruled by a dictatorial political structure rather than a single dictator.
Trump is nuts, I'll give you that, but alternatives which are less nuts are pretty thin too.

To assert that the choice between Trump and the Democrats (assuming you mean they are the bearers of the constitutional democracy of the Founders) is the same as a choice between good and evil is a gross simplification of the matter.
They are ALL capable of evil and they display it flippantly - both sides do this as a matter of course.

The same reason they love trump.... Fox lies to them and tells them what they want to hear.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Thinking of all this carefully:

First question - why is Carlson doing this? What's his motive, aside from money?

Why is his platform Fox News?

Why does his show and platform have such high ratings and following?

If he and others really are purveyors of false narratives and alt-reality, why is that necessary and has such a large and hungry market?

Is there a collateral connection to Trumpism, and Trump who is a proven psycho liar, and his rise and hopefully fall?

Supposing I'm all wrong in my assessments of all this. What does that mean?

Does that mean that all Fox and Carlson says are narratives of reality, the way it really is, and will be, and has been?

Does it mean that the Right/conservatives have the correct worldview and ideology, and are really patriots of the highest ethics, morals and intent, and are the most well informed?

Does it mean that all the loathing and hate of the left is correct?

The answers are not mutually exclusive. The answers are tied to one another.

Which is the scariest scenario - That I'm right, or that I'm wrong? The answer is associated with: Which is more scary - the constitutional democracy of the Founders, or the Fascism of Trumpism?

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Which is the scariest scenario - That I'm right, or that I'm wrong? The answer is associated with: Which is more scary - the constitutional democracy of the Founders, or the Fascism of Trumpism?

I don't think it's as black and white as that.

Of course it's not all B&W. What is in politics and culture?

It would be a task to create a chart with four columns; yes, no, shades of gray, with checkmarks and footnotes and disclosed sources with the aspects (in this country lately) that tend towards fascism in the first column.

It's probably not going to be checkmarks all in the yes column until it's too late.

Of course I have researched the definition of Fascism.

There are several with some confusion. First confusion is with the starting point and maturity in Germany and Italy back when.

American, or North American Fascism is a variant - different in some ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...legations_of_fascism

One Definition:

Fascism in North America refers to political movements in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean that are variants of fascism. Fascist movements in North America gained power in 2016 with the election of Donald Trump and the rise of the far right and white supremacy.

Another:

The core principle — what Paxton defined as fascism's only definition of morality — is to make the nation stronger, more powerful, larger and more successful. Since fascists see national strength as the only thing that makes a nation "good," fascists will use any means necessary to achieve that goal.Nov 29, 2021

And another:

Robert Paxton
Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, defines fascism in his 2004 book The Anatomy of Fascism as:[31]

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

In the same book, Paxton also argues that fascism's foundations lie in a set of "mobilizing passions" rather than an elaborated doctrine. He argues these passions can explain much of the behaviour of fascists:[32]

a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions;
the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it;
the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external;
dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences;
the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary;
the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny;
the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason;
the beauty of violence and the efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success;
the right of the chosen people to dominate others without restraint from any kind of human or divine law, right being decided by the sole criterion of the group’s prowess within a Darwinian struggle.

A more thorough analysis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

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From you…a total complement for I am 180 from warped view and proud of that fact.

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J. Lane Easter, DVM

Did you mean compliment?

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Supposing I'm all wrong in my assessments of all this. What does that mean?

Magnificent Enema


It means you are still batting 100

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Facts:
Carlson is a liar. There are those who want the affirmation he offers. It's harmful in several ways. The rule of law has served justice for many participants of the 1/6 "event". The whole point of the alt-narrative is to undermine the Rule of Law.

In contrast, other "riots" or BLM or antifa are not about substituting a loser for a winner, by unconstitutional means, for the office of POTUS.

Trumpism, MAGA, and all the Fodder are ALL about the destruction of the foundation of Rule of Law.

It's a significant difference.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I did last night to see what the follow up was like.

I suggest you all do the same for once rather than allow the political demonization steer your opinion.

The Shaman guy was clearly escorted, even to the extent of officers trying to open locked doors for him and then eventually walking him INTO (not away from) the Senate chamber.
Also, his former attorney was interviewed and said plainly that he HAD requested the video footage of his client and was refused.

The entire thing stinks and what Lane says above about mistrust of the government is all too obvious regardless of the drivel Mitchell spouts.

Just take a look for yourselves. Pretty obvious.

Only to the willfully blind does the Carlson video negate the video posted by Mitchell.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:

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Supposing I'm all wrong in my assessments of all this. What does that mean?

Magnificent Enema


It means you are still batting 100

Thanks Carpetman, my favorite troll. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to/about me, although an over the top statement.

https://tbonesbaseball.com/bat...ve-feat-in-baseball/

Batting 100: A Rarest And Most Impressive Feat In Baseball

Batting 100 in baseball is an impressive feat that only a few players have ever been able to achieve. It means that when a player has a total of 100 at-bats, they have hit a home run every single time. It is an incredibly difficult statistic to achieve as hitters are only able to make contact with the ball roughly a third of the time. To be able to hit the ball out of the park in every single at-bat is a remarkable accomplishment and is a testament to the skill of the player. Batting 100 is one of the rarest and most impressive feats of all-time in the game of baseball.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

Facts:
Carlson is a liar. There are those who want the affirmation he offers. It's harmful in several ways. The rule of law has served justice for many participants of the 1/6 "event". The whole point of the alt-narrative is to undermine the Rule of Law.

In contrast, other "riots" or BLM or antifa are not about substituting a loser for a winner, by unconstitutional means, for the office of POTUS.

Trumpism, MAGA, and all the Fodder are ALL about the destruction of the foundation of Rule of Law.

It's a significant difference.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I did last night to see what the follow up was like.

I suggest you all do the same for once rather than allow the political demonization steer your opinion.

The Shaman guy was clearly escorted, even to the extent of officers trying to open locked doors for him and then eventually walking him INTO (not away from) the Senate chamber.
Also, his former attorney was interviewed and said plainly that he HAD requested the video footage of his client and was refused.

The entire thing stinks and what Lane says above about mistrust of the government is all too obvious regardless of the drivel Mitchell spouts.

Just take a look for yourselves. Pretty obvious.

So the fuck what? What does the video mean? The J6 riot/insurrection didn't happen? All the video we've seen of police officers being beaten, windows smashed, idiots photographed with their feet propped up on the Speaker of the House's desk? None of that happened because two police officers escorted a functional idiot like your shaman hero around the building after he broke in? Do you know what they were saying to him? Do you know if they were asking him to leave? Do you think they might have been somewhat intimidated since they were outnumbered 100 to 1 and your insurrectionist buddies had already injured and beaten several other police officers?

Utter absurd nonsense. You're an idiot.

Oh, and other significant aspects of Fascism, the trajectory thereof during foment, is the propaganda, lies, sowing of doubt about the existing system, the declaration of MSM (liberal side) as enemy of the people, the talk about the deep state, the admin state, and hate for the opposition, the one leader who can fix it all. The single party fixation is another. Fox facilitates all that and more.

Funny how that works.

One guy sees two cops escorting an insurrectionist as validation for an insurrection.

The next guy sees three insurrectionists.

A Vice President refusing to get into a car with Secret Service agents saw a clear and present danger of those agents being collaborators in a coup, and he may very well have been correct.

I guess we all see what we want to see first; the wiser among us examine things further and without prejudice to determine if we saw correctly. The less wise wear blinders and “ride for the brand”.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

quote:

Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

Thanks Doc, you said it a lot better than I did!

And no, I am not and do not condone the violence of either side.

But I do just love to point out the hypocrisy of the left!!!!

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Originally posted by skb:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

quote:

Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

No struggle here. The horned nutter as well as the others were attempting to stop the peaceful transition of power and usurp the will of the voters.

Lock them all up and throw away the key.

There is zero excuse for anarchy. We have a court system and your perceived wrongs should be addressed through it, not with a spear and bullhorn on the floor of congress.

This is not nearly as complicated as you are attempting to paint it.

Anarchy.....was the take over of Portland not anarchy? The BLM riots? Were they not anarchy? All anarchy is A threat to our society, how many of the leftist anarchists have been locked up??

Why are the police, our Shields against anarchy, not being locked up for allowing that very evil, dangerous, spear wielding threat to democracy to prowl the sacred corridors?????

I think the agenda is overwhelming many here......


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by skb:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

quote:

Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

No struggle here. The horned nutter as well as the others were attempting to stop the peaceful transition of power and usurp the will of the voters.

Lock them all up and throw away the key.

There is zero excuse for anarchy. We have a court system and your perceived wrongs should be addressed through it, not with a spear and bullhorn on the floor of congress.

This is not nearly as complicated as you are attempting to paint it.

Lying and ignoring facts is always complicated.

Yes it is, but you leftist are doing very well and getting better all the time!

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

Facts:
Carlson is a liar. There are those who want the affirmation he offers. It's harmful in several ways. The rule of law has served justice for many participants of the 1/6 "event". The whole point of the alt-narrative is to undermine the Rule of Law.

In contrast, other "riots" or BLM or antifa are not about substituting a loser for a winner, by unconstitutional means, for the office of POTUS.

Trumpism, MAGA, and all the Fodder are ALL about the destruction of the foundation of Rule of Law.

It's a significant difference.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I did last night to see what the follow up was like.

I suggest you all do the same for once rather than allow the political demonization steer your opinion.

The Shaman guy was clearly escorted, even to the extent of officers trying to open locked doors for him and then eventually walking him INTO (not away from) the Senate chamber.
Also, his former attorney was interviewed and said plainly that he HAD requested the video footage of his client and was refused.

The entire thing stinks and what Lane says above about mistrust of the government is all too obvious regardless of the drivel Mitchell spouts.

Just take a look for yourselves. Pretty obvious.

They can't look, they really cant.......

It would destroy their leftist media led preconceptions....then they would have nothing!

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Originally posted by carpetman1:

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From you…a total complement for I am 180 from warped view and proud of that fact.

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J. Lane Easter, DVM

Did you mean compliment?

Correct!

As a veterinarian I deal with more complement than compliments.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by carpetman1:

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From you…a total complement for I am 180 from warped view and proud of that fact.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

Did you mean compliment?

Correct!

As a veterinarian I deal with more complement than compliments.

I would think that the fact they brought their animal to you and paid the bill would be a pretty big compliment in itself…. They do have other choices…

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So the fuck what? What does the video mean? The J6 riot/insurrection didn't happen? All the video we've seen of police officers being beaten, windows smashed, idiots photographed with their feet propped up on the Speaker of the House's desk? None of that happened because two police officers escorted a functional idiot like your shaman hero around the building after he broke in? Do you know what they were saying to him? Do you know if they were asking him to leave? Do you think they might have been somewhat intimidated since they were outnumbered 100 to 1 and your insurrectionist buddies had already injured and beaten several other police officers?

Utter absurd nonsense. You're an idiot.

Why all the strife?
Did I suggest anywhere that the video refutes any of the actions of the rioters on Jan6?

What I am saying is this:
The government had this video in their possession for the entirety of Jacob Chansley's custody and trial yet did not provide it even though his attorney requested it.

This probably violated the Brady rule but even if it didn't directly, it certainly is in opposition to the American Bar Association's standards.

https://www.law.umich.edu/spec..._for_Prosecutors.pdf

Standard 3-5.4 Identification and Disclosure of Information and Evidence
(a) After charges are filed if not before, the prosecutor should diligently seek to identify
all information in the possession of the prosecution or its agents that tends to negate
the guilt of the accused, mitigate the offense charged, impeach the government’s
witnesses or evidence, or reduce the likely punishment of the accused if convicted.
(b) The prosecutor should diligently advise other governmental agencies involved in the
case of their continuing duty to identify, preserve, and disclose to the prosecutor
information described in (a) above.
(c) Before trial of a criminal case, a prosecutor should make timely disclosure to the
defense of information described in (a) above that is known to the prosecutor,
regardless of whether the prosecutor believes it is likely to change the result of the
proceeding, unless relieved of this responsibility by a court’s protective order. … A
prosecutor should not intentionally attempt to obscure information disclosed pursuant
to this standard by including it without identification within a larger volume of
materials.
(d) The obligations to identify and disclose such information continue throughout the
prosecution of a criminal case.

This video may not negate his guilt but may have the cause to "mitigate the offense charged,... or reduce the likely punishment of the accused"

Simple as that.

Why not apply the same standard in court proceedings which you adamantly apply to, say, maybe Trump's taxes?
Remember, "he must have something to hide if he doesn't disclose them"

Concealing ANY evidence smacks of injustice.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Except there is no place left to sail to.

I…and I don’t believe JTEX…am not advocating violent rebellion. JTEX merely pointed out that they at least channeled their feelings toward the perceived people responsible unlike BLM and ANTIFA who merely defecate in everyone’s nest.

The Jan 6th shitshow was just that and the episodes have not finished.

While I am struggling a bit with this “Obstruction of Congress” charge of a man (a nut for sure) escorted it by Capital Police who committed zero violence and was armed only with a megaphone…

…the people who trespassed into offices and destroyed property and those who committed violence should be prosecuted and punished.

This whole aftermath sounds a bit like this:

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Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen – George Savile

No struggle here. The horned nutter as well as the others were attempting to stop the peaceful transition of power and usurp the will of the voters.

Lock them all up and throw away the key.

There is zero excuse for anarchy. We have a court system and your perceived wrongs should be addressed through it, not with a spear and bullhorn on the floor of congress.

This is not nearly as complicated as you are attempting to paint it.

Anarchy.....was the take over of Portland not anarchy? The BLM riots? Were they not anarchy? All anarchy is A threat to our society, how many of the leftist anarchists have been locked up??

Why are the police, our Shields against anarchy, not being locked up for allowing that very evil, dangerous, spear wielding threat to democracy to prowl the sacred corridors?????

I think the agenda is overwhelming many here......


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You do seem to have an agenda regarding minimizing the events of Jan 6th.

Lock up the BLM/ANTIFA rioters, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys.....any of them that engaged in looting, arson, assault, burglary etc.

We have a right to protest, not to riot, I would like to see any and all of the criminals prosecuted.

No sympathy of either side when it comes to committing crimes, especially politically motivated ones.

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Lock up the BLM/ANTIFA rioters, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys.....any of them that engaged in looting, arson, assault, burglary etc.

We have a right to protest, not to riot, I would like to see any and all of the criminals prosecuted.

No sympathy of either side when it comes to committing crimes, especially politically motivated ones.

When we do that ^^^ the argument will die from my side.

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

So the fuck what? What does the video mean? The J6 riot/insurrection didn't happen? All the video we've seen of police officers being beaten, windows smashed, idiots photographed with their feet propped up on the Speaker of the House's desk? None of that happened because two police officers escorted a functional idiot like your shaman hero around the building after he broke in? Do you know what they were saying to him? Do you know if they were asking him to leave? Do you think they might have been somewhat intimidated since they were outnumbered 100 to 1 and your insurrectionist buddies had already injured and beaten several other police officers?

Utter absurd nonsense. You're an idiot.

Why all the strife?
Did I suggest anywhere that the video refutes any of the actions of the rioters on Jan6?

What I am saying is this:
The government had this video in their possession for the entirety of Jacob Chansley's custody and trial yet did not provide it even though his attorney requested it.

This probably violated the Brady rule but even if it didn't directly, it certainly is in opposition to the American Bar Association's standards.

https://www.law.umich.edu/spec..._for_Prosecutors.pdf

Standard 3-5.4 Identification and Disclosure of Information and Evidence
(a) After charges are filed if not before, the prosecutor should diligently seek to identify
all information in the possession of the prosecution or its agents that tends to negate
the guilt of the accused, mitigate the offense charged, impeach the government’s
witnesses or evidence, or reduce the likely punishment of the accused if convicted.
(b) The prosecutor should diligently advise other governmental agencies involved in the
case of their continuing duty to identify, preserve, and disclose to the prosecutor
information described in (a) above.
(c) Before trial of a criminal case, a prosecutor should make timely disclosure to the
defense of information described in (a) above that is known to the prosecutor,
regardless of whether the prosecutor believes it is likely to change the result of the
proceeding, unless relieved of this responsibility by a court’s protective order. … A
prosecutor should not intentionally attempt to obscure information disclosed pursuant
to this standard by including it without identification within a larger volume of
materials.
(d) The obligations to identify and disclose such information continue throughout the
prosecution of a criminal case.

This video may not negate his guilt but may have the cause to "mitigate the offense charged,... or reduce the likely punishment of the accused"

Simple as that.

Why not apply the same standard in court proceedings which you adamantly apply to, say, maybe Trump's taxes?
Remember, "he must have something to hide if he doesn't disclose them"

Concealing ANY evidence smacks of injustice.

Yeah....well that's different.....liberal hypocrisy on display .....yet again......

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quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Lock up the BLM/ANTIFA rioters, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys.....any of them that engaged in looting, arson, assault, burglary etc.

We have a right to protest, not to riot, I would like to see any and all of the criminals prosecuted.

No sympathy of either side when it comes to committing crimes, especially politically motivated ones.

When we do that ^^^ the argument will die from my side.

Yep. Mine too.....

Sadly, it will never happen.....the democrats are too invested.


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Thanks Carpetman, my favorite troll. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to/about me, although an over the top statement.

--Magnificent Enema


Favorite troll--thanks. You complaining? Old Kablewy (YOU) hijacked every thread I ever started about shooting deer with .22 cal. Your vast experience where you let a doe lay wounded and bleating for over an hour because the terrain was too rough for your golf cart to drive over and give a finishing shot.

I guess we could revive this thread now.

Public enemy number two (Trump taking the top spot of course…) has been released early!!

Gee, wonder why?

https://www.news8000.com/news/...d5-01f2bd0d016c.html

Prosecutors refute claims Tucker Carlson's airing of security footage exonerates January 6 defendants
By Holmes Lybrand Mar 12, 2023 Updated Mar 14, 2023

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Originally posted by carpetman1:

quote:

Thanks Carpetman, my favorite troll. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to/about me, although an over the top statement.

--Magnificent Enema


Favorite troll--thanks. You complaining? Old Kablewy (YOU) hijacked every thread I ever started about shooting deer with .22 cal. Your vast experience where you let a doe lay wounded and bleating for over an hour because the terrain was too rough for your golf cart to drive over and give a finishing shot.

So, my favorite troll and pervert and prevaricator, are you still trying to join organizations so you can gain access to children? Your skills as a prevaricator and pervert (verb) are on display. Hopefully parents and others in such orgs you try to invade can see through you - to your real character.

Prevaricator:
noun One who acts with unfaithfulness and want of probity; one who abuses a trust.

Pervert:
verb:
alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.

noun:
a person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.