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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

Then educate me: if the last and presumptive next Presidential Nominee of the Republican Party is not the leader of that Party, who is? Harlan Crow?

I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

Then educate me: if the last and presumptive next Presidential Nominee of the Republican Party is not the leader of that Party, who is? Harlan Crow?

Nah, jeff, the thread's topic is tlaib -- and it's an interesting detail that you still REFUSE to refute her -- support Hamas much, like your history would purport -

as for trump, one need only read the first line of my signature -

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

Mike,
not even surgeons have clean hands -

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

Mike,
not even surgeons have clean hands -

Well, actually...if they've scrubbed properly, they do.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

There are two factions who will do anything to prevent peace between Palestinians and Israelis: right-wing Israelis like Netanyahu and terrorists like Hamas. The vast majority of the actual people on both sides have no wish to kill anybody or have anybody killed in their name. Netanyahu and his extremist religious backers cannot allow a unified Palestinian State because that ends their dream of ruling what they imagine God gave to Israel, to the extent that Netanyahu was willing to help Qatari money get to Hamas by the suitcase full.

If the IDF can largely destroy Hamas and the Israeli People can rid themselves of Netanyahu there might be some hope of peace there.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

There are two factions who will do anything to prevent peace between Palestinians and Israelis: right-wing Israelis like Netanyahu and terrorists like Hamas. The vast majority of the actual people on both sides have no wish to kill anybody or have anybody killed in their name. Netanyahu and his extremist religious backers cannot allow a unified Palestinian State because that ends their dream of ruling what they imagine God gave to Israel, to the extent that Netanyahu was willing to help Qatari money get to Hamas by the suitcase full.

If the IDF can largely destroy Hamas and the Israeli People can rid themselves of Netanyahu there might be some hope of peace there.

All Israel is doing right now is creating more support (and fodder) for Hamas. And, I strongly suspect that Netanyahu's approach over the past month in relation to the Israeli reaction to the attack is strengthening his position and support in Israel.

So, there you go. And, the world will turn.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't think anybody here supports Hamas or their terrorist activities. But, as Obama said yesterday, nobody's got clean hands here, including Israel.

This has been going on since I can remember and I am old. I don't know what the solution is or even if there is a solution.

That said, the intentional slaughter of folks sleeping in their beds by Hamas has to be punished. I support what the IDF is doing. The civilian deaths are regrettable but collateral damage is inevitable in these situations.

Hamas started it. Israel will end it. At least this round.

Mike,
not even surgeons have clean hands -

Well, actually...if they've scrubbed properly, they do.

after the fact -- the need for the "scrubbing" to be specific

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

Then educate me: if the last and presumptive next Presidential Nominee of the Republican Party is not the leader of that Party, who is? Harlan Crow?

Nah, jeff, the thread's topic is tlaib -- and it's an interesting detail that you still REFUSE to refute her -- support Hamas much, like your history would purport -

as for trump, one need only read the first line of my signature -

Trump does not currently, nor likely will ever hold office again -
But Tlaib and and Omar currently DO, and likely will hold office again -

You just can't bring yourself to denounce these antisemitic people, and their support of Hamas - while trashing the USA?

Dude, that's got to SUCK, but, hey, you might be okay with it

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

Then educate me: if the last and presumptive next Presidential Nominee of the Republican Party is not the leader of that Party, who is? Harlan Crow?

Nah, jeff, the thread's topic is tlaib -- and it's an interesting detail that you still REFUSE to refute her -- support Hamas much, like your history would purport -

as for trump, one need only read the first line of my signature -

Trump does not currently, nor likely will ever hold office again -
But Tlaib and and Omar currently DO, and likely will hold office again -

You just can't bring yourself to denounce these antisemitic people, and their support of Hamas - while trashing the USA?

Dude, that's got to SUCK, but, hey, you might be okay with it

I'm not as confident as you that trump doesn't win in 2024.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/1...trump-2024-poll.html

Mike,
while biden is a terrible alternative, i can't imagine trump making a comeback - he's more than a little craycray

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Donald Trump,

so, suddenly, your boogieman is a credible source?

Credible? No, but he's the undisputed leader of the Republican Party.

in your eyes -- the same eyes that can't decry tlaib and hamas .. hmmm, what a "look" for you

Then educate me: if the last and presumptive next Presidential Nominee of the Republican Party is not the leader of that Party, who is? Harlan Crow?

Nah, jeff, the thread's topic is tlaib -- and it's an interesting detail that you still REFUSE to refute her -- support Hamas much, like your history would purport -

as for trump, one need only read the first line of my signature -

Trump does not currently, nor likely will ever hold office again -
But Tlaib and and Omar currently DO, and likely will hold office again -

You just can't bring yourself to denounce these antisemitic people, and their support of Hamas - while trashing the USA?

Dude, that's got to SUCK, but, hey, you might be okay with it

and crickets - little jeffery can't bring himself to denounce tlaib, omar, and hamas -

disgusting

I find it very easy to denounce Hamas, wishing they were all dead, and still feeling sorry for the Palestinians and their plight. I have no problem with Tlaib having a Palestinian flag, her heritage is Palestinian. I have a problem if she supports Hamas, the butchering SOBs started this shit. I can be an American and simultaneously denounce American scum like the white supremacists and trumpers who worship a wannabe dictator.

Jeff will help me with my math, but if the Palestinians residing in Gaza number 2.2 million and there are 40,000 Hamas soldiers in Gaza, I think that's about 2% of the population in Gaza are Hamas. If there are 1600 residents per square mile in Gaza that's 32 Hamas soldiers per square mile.
Jeff, how'd I do?

I gather that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population, using residents, ambulances and other cIvilian infrastructure for cover and concealment.

If Hamas is only 2% of the population it seems to me the 98% majority could expell Hamas when they choose. That the Palestinians choose to not expell Hamas, that US Representative Tlab chooses to use the, "from the river to the sea!" phrase I think makes the facts very obvious.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Jeff will help me with my math, but if the Palestinians residing in Gaza number 2.2 million and there are 40,000 Hamas soldiers in Gaza, I think that's about 2% of the population in Gaza are Hamas. If there are 1600 residents per square mile in Gaza that's 32 Hamas soldiers per square mile.
Jeff, how'd I do?

I gather that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population, using residents, ambulances and other cIvilian infrastructure for cover and concealment.

If Hamas is only 2% of the population it seems to me the 98% majority could expell Hamas when they choose. That the Palestinians choose to not expell Hamas, that US Representative Tlab chooses to use the, "from the river to the sea!" phrase I think makes the facts very obvious.

I've never been in Gaza, but I suspect those 2% have about 99% of the weapons, and 100% of the heavy weapons. Plus, the majority of the 98% are too young to watch any movie above an "R" rating, and have grown up with Hamas running things.

"From the River to the Sea", as I understand it, refers to the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which would encompass all of Israel. Several attempts have been made to push them out since 1948 with the result usually being the Israelis holding more ground than when the push started. Representative Tlaib is entitled to her opinions but to publicly associate herself with that slogan is plain stupid, in my opinion.

Thank God I got my math right.

Tlabs usage may be stupid but never the less intentional. Tlab is Hamas. The Palestinians are Hamas. The sides to be taken or supported are clear.

She's a terrorist. If they can prosecute Trump for January 6 they can prosecute her.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
She's a terrorist. If they can prosecute Trump for January 6 they can prosecute her.

I gather you are an attorney and a very good one, what crimes would you charge her with?

Don't get me wrong, I consider Tlab and Omar to be un American and saboteurs working to destroy The United States, but I am not aware of any actual crimes, are you?

Trump on the other hand has actually attempted to overthrow the election and has committed Sedition. Do you consider Trump's call to suspend the Constitution to be legal?

Scott,

My point is is that if what Trump did was encouraging insurrection, and I'm not convinced it was. A lot of people were not pleased with the somewhat questionable location of thousands of votes in the wee hours of the morning of the election night. I'm quite sure that Trump's questioning of the legitimacy of those votes cannot be charged as a crime, or I would be as well. If he encouraged an insurrection, that might be another matter, but that remains to be proven.

But there is no doubt that the Tribe is encouraging violence against Jews. They are encouraging hate crimes and are as guilty as if they perpetrated the actual crimes themselves. As soon as any such crime occurred, and at least one rather minor crime has, they should be prosecuted. I'm not a criminal lawyer, but if I were, I'd figure out something.

Isn't "Palestine" a Roman invention?

Am I wrong that Islam came around hundreds of years after Judaism?

Far as I know the promised land was always for the Jewish people.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't "Palestine" a Roman invention?

Am I wrong that Islam came around hundreds of years after Judaism?

Far as I know the promised land was always for the Jewish people.

According to some Jewish goatherders.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:


All Israel is doing right now is creating more support (and fodder) for Hamas. And, I strongly suspect that Netanyahu's approach over the past month in relation to the Israeli reaction to the attack is strengthening his position and support in Israel.

So, there you go. And, the world will turn.

Mike, what Israel is doing now is AFTER the butchers from Gaza killed women and children. Raped girls at the concert. Cut a baby out of pregnant women while she was still alive. And beheaded dozens.

You think anything being done today can make that worse?

Don

Israel should not agree to a ceasefire, and the US should not be trying to felicitate such.

Wow-
we agree-

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't "Palestine" a Roman invention?

Am I wrong that Islam came around hundreds of years after Judaism?

Far as I know the promised land was always for the Jewish people.

According to some Jewish goatherders.

yeah. THAT, and, oh, actual history --
still can't bring yourself to denounce Tlaib?

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Jeff will help me with my math, but if the Palestinians residing in Gaza number 2.2 million and there are 40,000 Hamas soldiers in Gaza, I think that's about 2% of the population in Gaza are Hamas. If there are 1600 residents per square mile in Gaza that's 32 Hamas soldiers per square mile.
Jeff, how'd I do?

I gather that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population, using residents, ambulances and other cIvilian infrastructure for cover and concealment.

If Hamas is only 2% of the population it seems to me the 98% majority could expell Hamas when they choose. That the Palestinians choose to not expell Hamas, that US Representative Tlab chooses to use the, "from the river to the sea!" phrase I think makes the facts very obvious.

Well written brother!

And Jeff is apparently a Hamas supporter....


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Originally posted by DRG:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:


All Israel is doing right now is creating more support (and fodder) for Hamas. And, I strongly suspect that Netanyahu's approach over the past month in relation to the Israeli reaction to the attack is strengthening his position and support in Israel.

So, there you go. And, the world will turn.

Mike, what Israel is doing now is AFTER the butchers from Gaza killed women and children. Raped girls at the concert. Cut a baby out of pregnant women while she was still alive. And beheaded dozens.

You think anything being done today can make that worse?

Don

Hear, hear!

What is happening now is war. What Hamas did was kill civilians, they are animals....the "palestinians" are supporters.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't "Palestine" a Roman invention?

Am I wrong that Islam came around hundreds of years after Judaism?

Far as I know the promised land was always for the Jewish people.

According to some Jewish goatherders.

I will take the word of those goat herders over your words any day.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't "Palestine" a Roman invention?

Am I wrong that Islam came around hundreds of years after Judaism?

Far as I know the promised land was always for the Jewish people.

According to some Jewish goatherders.

I will take the word of those goat herders over your words any day.

+1

Actually, if you read your Bible, the Philistines were there when god granted Israel to the Jews, and helped them remove them.

So it wasn’t always Israel.

Regardless, Palestine was a creation of the Romans and they “ethnically cleansed” the area after the Jews didn’t submit to Roman rule quite the way they expected.

So by saying the Jewish folks don’t belong there, you are both supporting a genocide and a war crime by Italy ( albeit before such a thing or country existed…)

and she's been censured --- in a bipartisan vote

her response, "you have to separate the people the government"

I consider her censor good news.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and she's been censured --- in a bipartisan vote

her response, "you have to separate the people the government"

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I consider her censor good news.

You do know the difference between censure and censor, so why not use the right term?

Personally, censoring her might be a better idea, but it’s illegal.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I consider her censor good news.

You do know the difference between censure and censor, so why not use the right term?

Personally, censoring her might be a better idea, but it’s illegal.

likely autocorrect did it

A better question is do you know what it means when the House CENSURES a member?

How about what part of the Constitution allows a chamber to CENSURE a member? I’ll give you that one. It is Artificial I Section 5.

We will give you time to look it up.

Article I, Section 5 also allows a Chamber to expel a member. Think about the ramifications, the pure power of being able to expel an elected member of Congress.

Since congress is the branch that impeaches, it’s hardly surprising.

A censure is an official reprimand as voted by a majority. It takes 2/3 to impeach/remove.

As to the actual power of a censure… pretty minimal officially.

I suppose they could remove her committee posts, but that’s not a censure.

My complaint is that you are one of the better educated people here, with quite a bit of experience… yet despite your education you refuse to look at and proofread anything.

It isn’t that hard or take that much time, and it shows a fundamental lack of respect for the folks reading your posts.

I don’t expect high level proofreading, just enough so that we don’t have to make assumptions about your meaning more often than not.

Yes, but either Chamber can expel with a 2/3rds majority of that Chamber.

That is a difference w a distinction to Impeachment.