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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Absolutely nothing at your link says that Iran was involved, odds are it was Houthis.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Absolutely nothing at your link says that Iran was involved, odds are it was Houthis.

And that makes it either better or different how? Iran backs the houthis, if you didn't know. I know you did, but are just being difficult

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You don’t think Iran is directing its subsidized “allies”?

If it was a CIA associated group, it would be considered by the US…

Frankly, other than usual piracy suppression, this shouldn’t be our concern. Liberian flagged vessel owned by Israeli businessmen, operated out of a UK office.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:
Phosphoric acid ? Most common use is apparently fertilizer. Sounds like they did seize Shit.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

The fact remains that the headline on this thread is a lie: Iran didn't seize shit.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

The fact remains that the headline on this thread is a lie: Iran didn't seize shit.

So you don’t think the Republican Guard directs the goat herders, especially since they are furnishing the weapons? Naivety at its best. I agree the Ayatollah probably doesn’t supervise anything but I bet some RG colonel does.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

weird, man, they sure got mad about Qassem Soleimani

oh, i'll change the title - we don't want you crying about every grain of sand in your drawers

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

The fact remains that the headline on this thread is a lie: Iran didn't seize shit.

So you don’t think the Republican Guard directs the goat herders, especially since they are furnishing the weapons? Naivety at its best. I agree the Ayatollah probably doesn’t supervise anything but I bet some RG colonel does.

I don't know who does what in Yemen and I'm not willing to pull claims of knowledge out of my ass, but I do know that the article this thread was based on doesn't say what the headline says.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
The Navy fixed the problem.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who do you think is bankrolling the Houthis?? It’s for sure those goat herders don’t have the money to buy a portapotti….

Iran arms the Houthi because the Houthi bleed Saudi Arabia. I seriously doubt Iran has, or wants, operational command and control over individual Houthi operations.

The fact remains that the headline on this thread is a lie: Iran didn't seize shit.

So you don’t think the Republican Guard directs the goat herders, especially since they are furnishing the weapons? Naivety at its best. I agree the Ayatollah probably doesn’t supervise anything but I bet some RG colonel does.

I don't know who does what in Yemen and I'm not willing to pull claims of knowledge out of my ass, but I do know that the article this thread was based on doesn't say what the headline says.

Well, how about these.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/...s-and-equipment.html

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2261221/middle-east

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/i...zed-us-naval-forces/

https://www.csis.org/analysis/...against-saudi-arabia


The list of references for Iran arming the Houthis is endless. You really need to quit making excuses for terrorists and admit you’re full of shit.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And the West seizes, and confiscates, vessels belonging to private citizens of the Russian Federation?!!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And the West seizes, and confiscates, vessels belonging to private citizens of the Russian Federation?!!

They are welcome to send their Navy to get them back...

Oh, wait, a Country without a Navy sank much of that.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And the West seizes, and confiscates, vessels belonging to private citizens of the Russian Federation?!!

They are welcome to send their Navy to get them back...

Oh, wait, a Country without a Navy sank much of that.

I haven't laughed so much since I last read anything Trump said.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Even old WWI warships could sink/destroy commercial vessels.

If Russia decided to declare a submarine enforced blockade of the EU, the commercial vessels would be vulnerable.

The ball would then be on NATO to decide what level of force they would respond with.

Embargoes can be an act of war, if the victims are willing to call it so.

BTW I thought the Houthis were the folks fighting in Yemen and this event was off Somalia…

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And the West seizes, and confiscates, vessels belonging to private citizens of the Russian Federation?!!

They are welcome to send their Navy to get them back...

Oh, wait, a Country without a Navy sank much of that.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Even old WWI warships could sink/destroy commercial vessels.

If Russia decided to declare a submarine enforced blockade of the EU, the commercial vessels would be vulnerable.

The ball would then be on NATO to decide what level of force they would respond with.

Embargoes can be an act of war, if the victims are willing to call it so.

BTW I thought the Houthis were the folks fighting in Yemen and this event was off Somalia…

On it's best day, which it has few of, the Russian Navy could sortie maybe 17 nuclear-powered attack subs and just over 20 diesel-electric attack subs.

If they open hostilities against NATO Countries their life expectancy would be measured in, at best, days and more likely hours. They can be tracked before they ever fire a torpedo and most wouldn't get a shot off before being sunk once Putin blew the whistle.

Every NATO country with water is trained and equipped to detect and destroy Russian subs and several are eager to do so.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And the West seizes, and confiscates, vessels belonging to private citizens of the Russian Federation?!!

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I think you overstate their naval ineptitude, but my point was commercial traffic is vulnerable. Yes, the USN can do a better job, but I don’t think we shadow every asset.

Our side screws up at times as well.

In essence, if the Russians decide to embargo, the first several ships they meet will have to submit.

They are not warships or armed.

Then the NATO navies have to decide how you respond- say a sub sails up to a LNG carrier, demands it stop for inspection, puts a boarding party on board, and then proceeds to the closest Russian or allied port.

We would need to decide:
Are we going to go to war to sink that sub.
Are we going to risk blowing up the LNG carrier to put our boarding team on the ship to take it back.
How are we going to deal with the ship once it reaches Russian waters?

It’s not automatically dump ASROCs or Mk 48 torpedoes on every well documented Russian sub and surface combatant. You know, rules of engagement?

Sure, the Russian navy would be beaten if we decided to go to war… but cost in lives, etc and global disruption?

The point is, if Putin is no longer rational, deterrence is debatable and any step could cause unreasonable escalation.

Honestly, I can’t say I’d trust either Trump or Biden to make good decisions if this happened.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Even old WWI warships could sink/destroy commercial vessels.

If Russia decided to declare a submarine enforced blockade of the EU, the commercial vessels would be vulnerable.

The ball would then be on NATO to decide what level of force they would respond with.

Embargoes can be an act of war, if the victims are willing to call it so.

BTW I thought the Houthis were the folks fighting in Yemen and this event was off Somalia…

On it's best day, which it has few of, the Russian Navy could sortie maybe 17 nuclear-powered attack subs and just over 20 diesel-electric attack subs.

If they open hostilities against NATO Countries their life expectancy would be measured in, at best, days and more likely hours. They can be tracked before they ever fire a torpedo and most wouldn't get a shot off before being sunk once Putin blew the whistle.

Every NATO country with water is trained and equipped to detect and destroy Russian subs and several are eager to do so.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Laugh as much as you wish.

But, the facts speak for themselves.

NO country, NON, has ever been beaten, and ran off cowardly, as America keeps getting their arse handed to them.

Remember the helicopters leaving Saigon after the rice paddy farmers beat the shit out of you.

Despite you using Agent Orange to kill all their rice paddies?

Which, by the way, is still killing innocent people until today.

And let us not forget the recent occasion in Afghanistan.

Again, running away cowardly with their tails between their legs, leaving BILLIONS worth of military equipment behind.

Bloody hell, even give the bloody Frogs a run for their money!

If the Frogs are the Surrender Monkeys.

America must be THE SUPER SURRENDER MONKEY!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Laugh as much as you wish.

But, the facts speak for themselves.

NO country, NON, has ever been beaten, and ran off cowardly, as America keeps getting their arse handed to them.

Remember the helicopters leaving Saigon after the rice paddy farmers beat the shit out of you.

Despite you using Agent Orange to kill all their rice paddies?

Which, by the way, is still killing innocent people until today.

And let us not forget the recent occasion in Afghanistan.

Again, running away cowardly with their tails between their legs, leaving BILLIONS worth of military equipment behind.

Bloody hell, even give the bloody Frogs a run for their money!

If the Frogs are the Surrender Monkeys.

America must be THE SUPER SURRENDER MONKEY!

In both Vietnam and Afghanistan we tried to form an army from the local people. The vast majority of the equipment we left in Afghanistan was what the Afghan Army had and refused to use.

Ya'll weren't talking a lot of shit after Saddam took Kuwait and was sitting on the Saudi border with nothing between the Iraqi Army and your ass but American troops.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

In both Vietnam and Afghanistan we tried to form an army from the local people. The vast majority of the equipment we left in Afghanistan was what the Afghan Army had and refused to use.

Ya'll weren't talking a lot of shit after Saddam took Kuwait and was sitting on the Saudi border with nothing between the Iraqi Army and your ass but American troops.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

In both Vietnam and Afghanistan we tried to form an army from the local people. The vast majority of the equipment we left in Afghanistan was what the Afghan Army had and refused to use.

Ya'll weren't talking a lot of shit after Saddam took Kuwait and was sitting on the Saudi border with nothing between the Iraqi Army and your ass but American troops.

In Afghanistan, we expected the Afghan Army to fight against the very guys to whom Trump had given the government?
How would that end, after the Taliban took over? Rose petals and lifetime pensions maybe?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How did the American navy perform during America's defeats>?