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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How did the American navy perform during America's defeats>?

You know we have more people on each aircraft carrier than the UAE has in its Navy, don't you?

If Iran gets restive and decides to expand are ya'll going to call the U.S. Navy or the Russians? Maybe the Chinese?

What battles did your navy win in Vietnam?

What battles did your navy win in Afghanistan?

What battles did your Navy win in Iraq?

Did you win any of the above senseless wars??

Or did you get your sorry arse handed to you, running away from Kabul, leaving all your military arms behind and beating a hasty, cowardly, retreat!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How did the American navy perform during America's defeats>?

You know we have more people on each aircraft carrier than the UAE has in its Navy, don't you?

If Iran gets restive and decides to expand are ya'll going to call the U.S. Navy or the Russians? Maybe the Chinese?

What battles did your navy win in Vietnam?

What battles did your navy win in Afghanistan?

What battles did your Navy win in Iraq?

Did you win any of the above senseless wars??

Or did you get your sorry arse handed to you, running away from Kabul, leaving all your military arms behind and beating a hasty, cowardly, retreat!

Well, they certainly came out victorious in the Battle of thr Guld of Tonkin...

We considered putting wheels on an aircraft carrier and driving to Afghanistan but all the drawings looked like something an Arab would do so we dropped the idea.

We tried hard to find a good naval battle in the deserts of Iraq but we couldn't find an opponent so we just stayed on the water and shot the shit out of the place.

What you don't understand, or pretend not to for shits and giggles, is we don't lose wars, we lose what comes when the war is won because we really don't have aspirations to conquer and hold land. I realize that is a foreign notion to people who take any scrap of ground or trickle of water they physically can, but we didn't want to rule Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Vietnam. In each case, rightly or wrongly, we wanted to give the people of those places the chance to control their own affairs.

When was the last time the UAE won a naval battle? What was it, two pirogues against a jon boat?

I agree that we lose a lot of wars… politically.

Frankly, Vietnam we lost politically. We won every major battle we fought there, but didn’t convince the locals to stand up on their own.

Iraq I would call a win. We changed their government from Saddam, and they are running their country on their own now. Yes, they have Islamist insurgents and an anti-US element within their politics, but we did complete it and regime change. Is it a government that we agree with 100%? No, but it’s better than Saddam, at least objectively. Was it worth the cost and casualties is a very different question.

Afghanistan we lost politically again. We decided to quit spending money and lives and gave the moderate government a bunch of help that they squandered. We should (did?) know that we were not going to keep the Taliban out of governance when we left, but our withdrawal was precipitous and poorly managed. We just plain politically gave up as the cost was unpopular.