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Proof positive that you are a checker player in a chess playing world.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Proof posting you advance racist regimes. You are a morally bankrupt person. | |||
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More proof you are ignorant in world affairs with poor understanding of morality. There is no moral correctness to the events unfolded by the overturning of the former governments of Rhodesia or South Africa. Human atrocities have run amok since and currently. Look up the number of brutally butchered white farmers in RSA since the 1990s. Study up on the genocide of the Ndebele in Zimbabwe. The continent of Africa, the globe, and most of all the people of all races in those 2 countries were way better off pre turnover. The USA, Carter, and Clinton made the world a worse place place with both of those actions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Your advocacy for racist regained is the root cause of those African Nationalists revolutions winning out. Your lack of morality and the lack of morality by the White Regimes caused their own demise. Your advocacy and their police of racial political power are the same disease. You create the instruments of tire demise w hate breeding more hate. Smith is just as to blame as Mugabe. Apartheid is just as much to blame. You are a revolting person. I’ll pray for you. New year and same racism advocated by a Texan. President Jimmy Carter’s legacy, death, and memory deserved better than you on this thread. I do not think President Carter was an effective president. That does not change the utter contemptible behavior you have demonstrated on this thread. | |||
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My feeling regarding Carter's embracing the black liberation movement was that he went along with the wrong people for a moral reason- he believed in the innate goodness of people and felt that the people would correct the bad behavior peacefully once democracy was established because he couldn't conceive of people voluntarily giving up democratic rule. Jimmy Carter was not a dumb man, he demonstrated that repeatedly... but he was a man who let his principles override rationality. He neglected that the main driving force in Black Africa is still tribalism, not nationalism or humanism. That's admirable in a way, but his following his principles has resulted in millions of people being killed by their own governments that a more realpolitik policy might have prevented. I don't think that Smith's Rhodesia was long for the earth even if they had been strongly supported by the west... but I do think that if we had a more practical president than Mr. Carter, the transition might have been more peaceful and more like Kenya or Botswana than what it was like. I don't know for sure, but I am not at all convinced that President Carter backed the right person even if he was morally right that minority rule was not something that would last long and his policy would likely result in more death and poverty that a more gradual approach might have had. Rhodesia was losing their war politically but winning militarily until the first world western nations stopped allowing any support to the government- principally the US and the UK. If they had not been strangled to the point of unconditional surrender, a negotiated transition might (again, I don't know what it would have looked like) have been better for all considered. I do know that I have personally talked with black men who fought the Rhodesian government who have expressed statements that they were not sure they really won anything given what Mugabe did... "At least with Smith we had schools and food." These were proud guys who relished their right to vote, but were not sure that their votes were really counted. Like here, they keep hoping the next election will give better results. | |||
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I once met a guy who believed we should have continued to prop up the S. Vietnamese government. He fought there and insisted we won that war. "You mean the US won every battle--but lost the war?" I asked. No, he insisted. The US won the Vietnam War. I didn't say anything else out of respect for his wartime service. So there are people who hold various crazy beliefs. Things like we should have tried to prop up racist Rhodesia...total BS stuff like that. | |||
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There is nothing contemptible about telling the truth of his legacy. History needs to be remembered as it was rather than how we wish it to be. The man left a wake trouble across the globe that the world would have been far better off without. Jimmy Carter while a good hearted and well intentioned human being was blinded by flawed ideals and used his power to perpetuate them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's righteously said, and the "Truth" of it is subjective. You do know that something similar can be said about you and of course about Trump and Team, and more objectively based on much evidence? I won't say bad things about you, but the "good hearted and well intentioned" part is not applicable to Trump in comparison to Carter. The last part of the sentence is applicable to Trump AND most if not all of his supporters. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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After Linebacker II, the Christmas bombing and mining of North Vietnam, the Communist of the North quit whining about table shape in Paris and P.O.W.’s and signed a very weak peace accord (that could have been much stronger). The “geriatric warmongers”, as Joan Baez called the powers-that-be in Hanoi, had seen the might of the U.S. As Aviation week and Space Technology said, Hanoi was “bombed into the Stone Age”. The U.S. then abandoned the South (not a bullet or a bean”), but swept the harbors of the enemy and paid for both strategic and tactical rearming. The U.S. then allowed the Soviet Union to rearm Hanoi for 2.5 years in violation of the treaty. The North then invaded the South without us providing any opposition as required by treaty, still with wet ink. Made me want to vomit. Successful wars are won by killing people and breaking things. We accomplished that amazingly well with Linebacker II. McNamara’s “graduated response” warmaking was a whimpy policy doomed to bloody failure. The Christmas Bombing changed that. The NVA were whipped but politicians were too much cowards to honor the sacrifices my brothers made. Our policy of abandonment of allies created the popular leftist propaganda of “we lost”.
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Judge, with all respect... we did lose the war. On many fronts. As you pointed out, one of our bigger causes for losing was the abandonment of our allies, which we also did in Afghanistan. Apparently we don't remember some of these things in our government. The Vietnam war was lost not militarily, but rather on the home front. The US lacked the internal will to fight the war to a successful conclusion. I had thought the result was that we had learned to fight for concrete and achievable objectives. Unfortunately, our politicians (in the GWOT, yes, a Republican, Bush) got into a war for objectives that both were a bit nebulous, and worse, changed over time. The GWOT has a lot of parallels with Vietnam, most of which were political. That being said, I prefer what happened to military control of the military.
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Its reasonable to conclude that if one believes America won in Vietnam. If one believes America should have supported Rhodesia and RSA given our conclusion in Vietnam as well as the Civil Rights movement then one must also believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Jewish Space Lasers. I find it just amazing that in this modern age, with books on Amazon, Google at out fingertips and unlimited sources of fact and history a key stroke away so many of us can just make up our own truth. LHeym, this is why we should return to the 1950's. We actually were smarter then. We had books and magazines and newspapers that had real truths in print that educated us. People studied hard and passed tough exams to get journalism degrees. Today after all these decades of advancement we have"stolen elections" Alex Jones and hurricanes manufactured by our federal government. The Smart Phone is a source of depression and disinformation. | |||
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Ever dropped a Walleye on a NVA barracks or a bridge? They don’t miss. Ever gone to Route pac 6 in the bright of day and not have a SA II shot at you because they’re all gone or Shrikes destroyed them and there’s no way for the enemy to replenish them with harbors mined and every road and railroads bridge north destroyed and there’s no gas or diesel in the whole shithole country. All the bad guys at the nasty little crossroads of Chepone (phonetic) are dead. Dead. Dead. There’s no electricity, no AAA batteries or ammo, irrigation is destroyed and no food and the govt of the enemy is begging for peace and offering the unconditional return of P.O.W.’s. If you had, you opinion would be different. We won, big time…. Then an intentionally misinformed populace abandoned or troops and their finally very successful kicking of ass and taking of names. I’ll bet you still believe the Tet offensive, Walter Conkrite, fallacy. BTW, there was an election in Rhodesia that provided a pathway to Black majority rule. That wasn’t good enough for Heath and Carter. They decided that Mugabe would be a better leader with his totally foreseeable “One man, one vote, one time” bloodthirsty dictatorship. Ever been in the country for an election. I’ve been there for three. Jimmy Carter tried it and he couldn’t even get a visa to see the results of his shortsightedness.
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I don't have any doubt you and your friends and brothers won over there. That's true, we all know it. The military won, the civilians in charge in America lost it. I'm sure it's also possible that American involvement in Rhodesia could have been successful, but there was no will. It's pure fairy tale fantasy to think there was any interest to insert ourselves on the side of the white minority having just lost in Vietnam and having completed, (sort of,) the Civil Rights movement. Nixon would never have, Carter was smart not to, Goldwater would never have. Any POTUS at that time would have looked like the original village idiot to go try and prop up a white minority African British Colony. | |||
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We always seem to defeat ourselves with public opinion…read wokeism When it comes to Africa, we all already know, tribalism is live and well and brutal and no white man will ever change it It’ll change only and maybe with times but even that is somewhat doubtful In my opinion, we should have and should support our cultural brethren in Africa and I don’t see anything wrong with that and it sure sounds racist, nevertheless, what’s wrong with that? They turned those places into a horn of plenty and somewhat civilized and then we let it go to shits because of some white guilt? Kinda stupid | |||
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In my professional world…it is my job to get better. It is my job to to look at problems without answers…and find answers. It is my job to look at complicated cases that did have desired endings and go back and find the fork in the road that led down the wrong path. Things never get better making the same mistakes over and over. When I find those nuances in techniques/procedures/courses of therapy…it then becomes my job to teach them to others…to eliminate trial and error for as many patients as possible. That is how medicine advances. I have played a role in equine orthopedics. The above is just to show how my mind works. Fast forward. When it comes to governance/politcs/state, national, & world affairs…history becomes our case study. When I see things that went drastically wrong, I tend to go back into history until it was right and find the fork in the road that led to the bad outcome. If for nothing else, to avoid it in the future. Fast forward. I have pretty much seen the majority of Zimbabwe. I have spent a lot of time just driving through the populated areas analyzing and thinking. At one point in history…the country was the cutting edge of civilization as far as infrastructure, industry, farming, ranching, etc etc. It was a beautifully engineered and constructed country…everything neat snd tidy and well kept. Fast forward again to today. The general urban areas are wastelands of human by-product. It is truly a third-world country. Driving around Harare is like exploring an ancient kingdom gone back to the wild where you can still see and imagine the once splendor. If nothing else, Zimbabwe should be a reminder to us that all can go to hell and pretty much in the blink of an eye. For me…it is a case to be solved…why did it happen and what is the lesson to prevent future mistakes. So to Scott’s point, I understand the events and politics of the 1970s well. I understand why we didn’t intervene in Rhodesia. My point is to point out that it was a mistake and then move back deeper into history and analyze how in the heck did we get ourselves into the shape to make that mistake/poor decision. For sure the Vietnam war and the civil rights movement played a huge roll. Vietnam in general is a whole ‘nother case study and I will confess that I haven’t worked out its political dynamics in my mind. But what ever changed in our culture to have us behave towards Vietnam the way we did…has plagued us ever after. The civil rights movement being the second major factor just came along for us at the wrong time for Rhodesia. Our civil rights movement was a positive event for sure…but in true American nature we just allowed it to consume us, even to this day, instead of just making the correction and moving on positively. Along with the civil rights movement came the concept of “white guilt” that plagues us still half a century later. “White guilt” is another phenomenon that I still have have not unraveled in my mind either but make no mistake — it is a real phenomenon. Fast forward again to this thread. Jimmy Carter was a product molded by the Vietnam War and the Civil rights era. While a good decent human being…his CPU was plagued by bad software and faulty data inputted by those two circumstances. Like all bad data (especially with poor software) it lead to bad decisions. Thus, the world has Zimbabwe and the continent of Africa suffers. So again, while Carter was a good human-being with good intentions (as we know bricks for the road to hell), and a man who portrayed scholastic proficiency…he was NO visionary and made grave mistakes. That is my point. Thus, I can agree with Scott on the mechanics while at the same time see that NOT supporting Rhodesia was a mistake. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The conclusions you draw amaze me. But please, point out where I alluded to “my greatness.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Mr Heym... if you lived in SA and spoke to most of the black folk that have lived under Apartheid and the ANC they freely admit life was far better under apartheid than it is now. Zimbos too. So the 80 odd South Africans that are murdered everyday under a Black government I am sure will be delighted to know that you think Mr Carter did them a favour by helping "free " them. 20 000 killed under apartheid. Over 600 000 under the ANC. As for you "racist" Apartheid.... the ANC has more race based laws in place than the Nats. I believe a lot of European countries are beginning to understand what we knew 70 years ago. Its not racist, just a fact. Ride hard, shoot straight and speak the truth. | |||
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I choked up reading that. You are a very lucky man to have personally known such a great human being.
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How pray tell did we help free Zimbabwe? Did we take sides in their revolution? All we did was mind our own business. | |||
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Here we see racist justification further Apartheid. The fact crime occurs does not justify permitting Apartheid. Funny, your argument implies treating murder committed due to racial motivation as different from other types, motivations for murder. However, you oppose treating murder based on racism motivations here in the U.S. as different then murder for other motivations. Of course, the whole murder is murder argument falls spare when one looks at Supreme Court castles and state statutes to address those cases which reserve Capital Offense to murder w aggravating factors. | |||
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They asked to “buy” (unlike Ukraine where we give it to them) supplies and we embargoed. We would have likely made the difference. Why did we get away from Russian aggression is bad in this case? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Sorry I am obviously just not clever enough to understand wtf you are crapping on about. And who is justifying Apartheid? I also sure hope you are not calling me a racist? Because that would be pretty dumb? Apartheid = bad ( we all agree ) But you liberals say that we are racist when we point the fact out that under a black government more black people people have been killed by you guessed it, black people, than white people under Apartheid. By a lot. So according to your logic, as long as the blacks are killing each other for fun it can never be as bad as {gasp} "apartheid" Because of you know, Racists! Ride hard, shoot straight and speak the truth. | |||
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This paragraph exemplifies how Americans always believe our shoe fits all across the globe. If that notion, still resides in your head after Iraq and Afghanistan, it shouldn’t. South Africa was a very successful nation in the 20th century. I admit that I used to feel the same way. Then my eyes were opened. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You seem to be looking through the telescope from the wrong end. Your recent wars should show you that imposing your view on others because you know what’s best for them rarely works. …and is at odds with your sig line. | |||
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Its the same way the liberals look at it here.... . | |||
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My point exactly and Rhodesia and South Africa are also good examples. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Now question is, how we look at Russia/Ukraine conflict and from which point of view So far it’s been one sided and we all know there is always and always two sides of the coin | |||
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A lot of ignorance is being displayed here. Smith regime oppressed ALL black people unconditionally. * Any opponents were imprisoned and tortured * Any nonviolent political opponents were sent into exile * The oppression was NOT just political. It was for unreasonable economic and social status. For example: a white tobacco farmer with say 300 acres would own a palatial house with many servants, a swimming pool, a new Mercedese Benz, a new Landover AND an annual profit of over $500k. This is what I got from a former WHITE tobacco farmer in Rhodesia. There is little honesty or truth in much that is being posted here by Right wing racists and supporters. The Truth: Colonialism FAILED for 500 years. It destroyed civilizations and did not improve the status of the local people. 500 years is long enough to have been given the opportunity to bring generations to equal status. Please don't post BS about roads, railways, schools, hospitals etc. Those were built purely for expanding colonial exploitation and not for the benefit of locals. What happened to all the wealth plundered for 500 years. Cambridge and Oxford university studies claim a conservative minimum of $46 trillion was plundered from India by the British in about 200 years. What did the British do with that wealth and the rest they plundered from the rest of the colonies? Please stop talking about Mugabe and look into Rhodesian history form the 1940 to 1970s. Yes, long BEFORE Mugabe. Smith OPPRESSED all freedom struggles and tortured opponents. Exiled them. These were moderates and not radicals or communists. The only response that Smith could not handle was communist violence from Mugabe and his crowd. Smith was the reason for the emergence and success of Mugabe. If Smith had negotiated power sharing in the 1940, the world would have been a far better place and southern Africa would have been an oasis of freedom and prosperity. This is a view of several WHITE southern Africans (and includes South Africa). Read about the federation Rhodesia and Nyasaland in the 1950s. Malawi got independence and prospered peacefully in the mid 60s while Smith got his racist regime entrenched for another 15 years.
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Lane Your posts and values seem to suggest that slavery should not have been abolished in the US in the 1860s and the civil rights act should not have been passed in the 1960s. You sound like it was acceptable to lynch black people right through US history. Even in the recent past. https://internationalengelsk.b...erica-1882-1968.html "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Good God but you are thick Naki. Under Smith black people had access to quality healthcare, transport, food, housing, some of the best education on the continent and the ability to make a living, feed and clothe their children. A few trouble makers were jailed. A little bit like what your government did to trouble makers during Covid, No? And I dare you to fly to Harare and as a brown man wear a T shirt that says "fuck you MNangagwa" and see how your day ends. Do you know what Zimbabweans have access to now? FUCKALL. Not because of the white man but because a black President values fancy cars and shiny shit more than looking after his people in any way. He likes fancy cars so much that children resort to eating sand and paper just to know the feeling of having a full stomach. But all you can fucking crap on about is how bad colonialism was. Not once have you liberal lefties condemned these African "Liberators" Because as long as the transgressor is black, hey all is ok. Remember "Racists!" So do humanity a favour and shut the fuck up. Ride hard, shoot straight and speak the truth. | |||
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Naki, while I am at it. You are an expat living in NZ? A country that also has some colonial history? So I really hope that you do not benefit or make use of by-products of the expanding of the colony brought in by the white man. Things like cars?buses?Roads?Hospitals?Clothes?Computers?The internet? I think in solidarity with the poor black man that suffered, you should move to a country that has been properly de-colonized. Eat some rats, live next to a river of faeces, sleep on the ground, that sort of thing. Just to show your support and how strongly you feel. Ride hard, shoot straight and speak the truth. | |||
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I think Kinshasa would be a good place for Naki to move to and show his solidarity.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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He's way too much of a hypocrite for that. ~Ann  | |||
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Wow. Lane and Ann now have a new soul mate from Aparthied. Brai time for lynching plans. Lol. Ignorant people with no soul. What use is your colonial education if you cannot read and understand my posts. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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A white farmer in Rhodesia on 300 acres in the 60’s growing tobacco having a big house… Well, relative to a black man working for him, sure. I’ve stayed on farms there. The houses are large compared to houses here at the time, but not very big compared to now. Many servants… well if you mean folks working for him, albeit at very minimal wages, sure. Called farm hands. Compared to the US or NZ, yes lots. Compared to other developing nations where unskilled labor was plentiful and jobs relatively few, probably not so much so. Even now most people who own a house in Zimbabwe have 2-3 (or more) employees… especially the the black folks who own 300 acres. With a swimming pool… back then it was probably a sand lined pond. Even so, there were crocodiles to worry about in rural areas. A new Mercedes and a Land Rover? Kind of doubt it. The time frame you are discussing there were importation restrictions at the late end and lack of those goods on the early part. Did they have cars and farm trucks? Yes. Look at period photos. Not luxury cars. Back in the 50’s and 60’s a Land Rover was not a luxury vehicle. In fact, they were very utilitarian and capable of being maintained by their owners. Profit of $500,000 a year? On 300 acres? I’d call BS on that. That’s the equivalent of $6 million (or more) now. Were there farmers making that kind of money? Not farming 300 acres in Zim they were not. Tobacco is a cash crop, sure. But it was also a global commodity. Over $1600 profit an acre in 1960-70? (And let’s not forget that a portion of the land was fallow, and that they have nonproductive land) Sorry, no. You don’t even think of what you are saying, do you? That claim doesn’t pass the smell test. I am sure there were farmers with over 100,000 acres making that kind of money. I’m also sure there were businessmen dealing in ag products making that kind of money. I also am certain that the white farmers were living a much higher standard of living than the black ones, even the few who owned some land. The problem with Rhodesia was blacks had limited to no upward mobility available to them. Now, the vast majority are in way worse physical poverty than they ever were under the Rhodesian government. They also have a vote in a system with severe corruption issues. So they have some political freedom, they have a minuscule amount more upward mobility, but the folks at the top are now the same color. I get that the political access and the chance of upward mobility is worth something. Is it worth safety, food, and education? That’s for individuals to decide. | |||
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Yep it is, that's why naki had to flee India...... | |||
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