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Scott King
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Lots of red flags.

How many innocent Russians are being killed by our weapons in the Ukraine war?
How many innocent Iraqis and Afgans did we kill?


The Russians have invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. I don't see the Russians as innocent.

Agree on Iraq, we at least had a reason to go to Afghanistan, we did not have a reason to stay for 20 years.

The point is, are you fine with an innocent fisherman losing his life on just Trump's word? I'm not.


There's lots of innocent Russians that have nothing to do with Vlad or invading Ukraine, like you I feel no sympathy.

If you hold all Russians as responsible and guilty for its invasion of Ukraine then you make the case for holding quite a bit of Latin America for its exporting drugs to the US.

The point is I am dissatisfied with previous efforts at winning the war on drugs. Drug enforcement is a very expensive pursuit that seems to yield defeat. Drug prevention is also very expensive and seems to end in defeat. I like the idea of new, different and harsher tactics being used against Cartels and their staff. I doubt everything that Trump says, but I have no particular reason to doubt his military, yes the recent departure of the Command down there is perplexing.

I like the Cartels being labeled FTO's. I like the Feds going after illegal immigrants. America has allowed to much for to long and "legalization " doesn't seem to be the miracle cure it was hoped to be. If anyone has a better idea I'm all ears.
 
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I just looked around for a moment or two and found that; 100k Americans die every year from drug use. Billions of dollars are spent annually in the US for drug prevention and tens of billions of dollars are spent by the US annually in the combined drug enforcement and drug prevention effort
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Tens of billions spent every year and 100k dead every year. I have no interest in continuing these failed efforts, something new and different is overdue.

I propose a missile strike on every Cartel leaders home, let's see how they respond to that.
 
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The point is, are you fine with an innocent fisherman losing his life on just Trump's word? I'm not.


Show us where/when an innocent fisherman has lost his life.
 
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If they are drug dealers or manufacturers…kill’em. I am good with it. patriot

And Mike middlefinger


And, who makes that determination and how? You dense little man.



Sometimes it's obvious, at least Trump is dealing with a problem that is destroying the US you dense little man. Big Grin


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Steve Bertram
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The point is, are you fine with an innocent fisherman losing his life on just Trump's word? I'm not.


Show us where/when an innocent fisherman has lost his life.

Show us where one did not. All we have is Trump's word which is worthless.
 
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Steve Bertram
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Lots of red flags.

How many innocent Russians are being killed by our weapons in the Ukraine war?
How many innocent Iraqis and Afgans did we kill?


The Russians have invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. I don't see the Russians as innocent.

Agree on Iraq, we at least had a reason to go to Afghanistan, we did not have a reason to stay for 20 years.

The point is, are you fine with an innocent fisherman losing his life on just Trump's word? I'm not.


There's lots of innocent Russians that have nothing to do with Vlad or invading Ukraine, like you I feel no sympathy.

If you hold all Russians as responsible and guilty for its invasion of Ukraine then you make the case for holding quite a bit of Latin America for its exporting drugs to the US.

The point is I am dissatisfied with previous efforts at winning the war on drugs. Drug enforcement is a very expensive pursuit that seems to yield defeat. Drug prevention is also very expensive and seems to end in defeat. I like the idea of new, different and harsher tactics being used against Cartels and their staff. I doubt everything that Trump says, but I have no particular reason to doubt his military, yes the recent departure of the Command down there is perplexing.

I like the Cartels being labeled FTO's. I like the Feds going after illegal immigrants. America has allowed to much for to long and "legalization " doesn't seem to be the miracle cure it was hoped to be. If anyone has a better idea I'm all ears.


You do realize that humans have been taking mind-altering drugs as long as humans have been on this planet? People do drugs. It's a fact and it's not going to change. The war on drugs will never be won, that is as likely as teenagers losing interest in sex. That said, we should be doing all we can to secure our border. I most definitely do not approve of using our military in violation of international law on civilians who have not been to trial.
 
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That said, we should be doing all we can to secure our border. I most definitely do not approve of using our military in violation of international law on civilians who have not been to trial.


That said. Steve, the same criteria could be applied to poachers in the African bush; provided you don't find them with an illegal kill then they are not poachers, even though you know they are.
 
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That said, we should be doing all we can to secure our border. I most definitely do not approve of using our military in violation of international law on civilians who have not been to trial.


That said. Steve, the same criteria could be applied to poachers in the African bush; provided you don't find them with an illegal kill then they are not poachers, even though you know they are.


And that is what trails are for. I do not believe in execution without a fair trail. Crazy....I know.
 
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The point is, are you fine with an innocent fisherman losing his life on just Trump's word? I'm not.


Show us where/when an innocent fisherman has lost his life.



You've got it backwards. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?

The presumption of innocence has been stripped away from these alleged drug dealers.
 
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