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Originally posted by Huvius:
As usual, the TDS on the ARPF is so pervasive that one and all have ignored the most important political news of the year, decade, maybe the century.

Will Ukraine use the Biden admin green light to strike deep into Russia and usher in a more global war.
WW3 perhaps?

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Originally posted by Huvius:
As usual, the TDS on the ARPF is so pervasive that one and all have ignored the most important political news of the year, decade, maybe the century.

Will Ukraine use the Biden admin green light to strike deep into Russia and usher in a more global war.
WW3 perhaps?

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Yeah. I really do not understand how naive or blind so many seem to be. This will be entirely Russias fault if they choose to make this nuclear. But they won't. It's brinkmanship and Russian bullying. It's also no different to US standing rules of use.

https://www.armscontrol.org/ac...-use-nuclear-weapons

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Putin just updated his rules of engagement!

Previously they were supposed to only use nuclear weapons if attacked by a nuclear armed country.

Now they have made it they will use nuclear weapons if attacked by a non nuclear country backed by a nuclear powered country!

America and NATO are going to get what they asked for now!

Ex-members of the Warsaw Pact were not supposed to be invited into NATO!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Huvius:
As usual, the TDS on the ARPF is so pervasive that one and all have ignored the most important political news of the year, decade, maybe the century.

Will Ukraine use the Biden admin green light to strike deep into Russia and usher in a more global war.
WW3 perhaps?

Who attacked first? Russia.

If WWII happens it will be because Russia snd China attempt to seize more territory.

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Originally posted by Huvius:
Russia started it…

I’m sure that’s great consolation to all the parents of young men to be sent to the grinder.

I ask, what is a “winning” result in Ukraine?

Not a wishlist, but realistic diplomatic or military action which you would consider a victory.

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Originally posted by Huvius:
Prettyup to date article here:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/6...otiated-end-war.aspx

Zelenskyy will not make ending the war any easier by striking further into Russia.
More likely, a “negotiated end” to the war will be another casualty.
He should listen to his countrymen and end the bloodshed while that opportunity still exists.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by Huvius:
Prettyup to date article here:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/6...otiated-end-war.aspx

Zelenskyy will not make ending the war any easier by striking further into Russia.
More likely, a “negotiated end” to the war will be another casualty.
He should listen to his countrymen and end the bloodshed while that opportunity still exists.

And do what? Throw Putin the keys? Do you think a Putin will be satisfied with less than the whole enchilada? He’ll just laugh and move on Poland, followed by the Baltic states.

You do not, ever, appease a despot. You either kill the sonofab!tch or he kills you.

This is a fight to the finish, and Zelenskyy knows it.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:
As usual, the TDS on the ARPF is so pervasive that one and all have ignored the most important political news of the year, decade, maybe the century.

Will Ukraine use the Biden admin green light to strike deep into Russia and usher in a more global war.
WW3 perhaps?

Who attacked first? Russia.

If WWII happens it will be because Russia snd China attempt to seize more territory.

We sat back and did nothing in 2014 when Putin helped himself to Crimea. So he felt it wouldn't be a problem to come back for more.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

I predict that this is exactly what Trump will offer to both Zelenskyy and Putin.
I also predict that Zelenskyy will be the one to defy the deal.

DAMN!!
LHeym500 s more MAGA than he thinks!

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

I predict that this is exactly what Trump will offer to both Zelenskyy and Putin.
I also predict that Zelenskyy will be the one to defy the deal.

DAMN!!
LHeym500 s more MAGA than he thinks!

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Trump is going to allow Russia to keep a portion Ukraine.

This appears to be a stalemate, but Ukraine can’t go 15 rounds, certainly can’t without US assistance. Ukraine has gone 3 rounds and requitted itself self well, but simply doesn’t have the manpower for many more rounds.

I agree with the writer above, Biden gave his approval to put the turd in Trump’s pocket.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Yeah if the west forces Ukraine into a bad compromise now, then at the very least Europe will be in the same situation in 10-20 years. Most likely in Ukraine again but possible in the Baltics. I think giving up the areas Russia held pre 22 might be a compromise if needed. But really I think Russia has to get too the stage of offering that. Not the other way around. Russia needs to realise it needs a way out. With the economy crashing and things getting harder, that's a year or so away yet.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

I predict that this is exactly what Trump will offer to both Zelenskyy and Putin.
I also predict that Zelenskyy will be the one to defy the deal.

DAMN!!
LHeym500 s more MAGA than he thinks!

No surprise that he would refuse the offer. After all, Putin stole over a third of his country…

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
I try to kind of keep up, but what the hell is BATO?

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Egypt and Saudi Arabia, for instance, support the Sudanese army. The United Arab Emirates (UAE), Libya and Russia (through the Wagner Group) support the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces.

The UAE has emerged as the foreign player most invested in the war. It views resource-rich, strategically located Sudan as an opportunity to expand its influence and control in the Middle East and east Africa.

Since 2018, the UAE has invested over US$6 billion in the country. This includes foreign reserves in the Sudanese central bank, agriculture projects and a Red Sea port. The UAE has also recruited and paid fighters from Sudan, drawn mostly from the Rapid Support Forces, to join its conflict in Yemen.

Since 2019, the UAE has undermined Sudan’s democratic transition following the ouster of long-serving president Omar al-Bashir. Abu Dhabi empowered both the army and the paramilitary force against the civilian wing of the government. With the outbreak of the civil war, the UAE has focused on the Rapid Support Forces.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

I predict that this is exactly what Trump will offer to both Zelenskyy and Putin.
I also predict that Zelenskyy will be the one to defy the deal.

DAMN!!
LHeym500 s more MAGA than he thinks!

No surprise that he would refuse the offer. After all, Putin stole over a third of his country…

If yuh are referring to Crimea, you are correct t. The issue is Ukraine cannot expel Russia now from Ukraine proper. Russia will never concede Crimea, and so full scale War by the West, Ukraine will never expel Russia from Crimea.

A negotiated peace is just that. The election proved no one cares about Ukraine.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have said many times what I would accept insist upon if o were in the WH.

1) Withdrawal of all Russian Forces from Ukraine.
2) A concession that BATO membership shall not be extended to Ukraine.
3) Ukraine and the West recognize Crimea annexation (we never have, Russia will never give it up, and Ukraine cannot take it back)
And
5) Withdrawal of all sanctions upon Russia.

If Russia were agreeable and Ukraine not to the above, my position would be, “ That is fine, but you do so without our financial and hardware support.”

If Russia were not agreeable, my position would be, “ That is fine, but we will continue to give Ukraine all the aid and green lights they need to prevent you from winning.”

I predict that this is exactly what Trump will offer to both Zelenskyy and Putin.
I also predict that Zelenskyy will be the one to defy the deal.

DAMN!!
LHeym500 s more MAGA than he thinks!

No surprise that he would refuse the offer. After all, Putin stole over a third of his country…

If yuh are referring to Crimea, you are correct t. The issue is Ukraine cannot expel Russia now from Ukraine proper. Russia will never concede Crimea, and so full scale War by the West, Ukraine will never expel Russia from Crimea.

A negotiated peace is just that. The election proved no one cares about Ukraine.

A"freeze the situation where the front line is now" solution is not going to work. Putin will not accept the loss of Russian territory (the bit which Ukraine currently occupies in Kursk) or foreign troops on Russian territory.

Zelensky has been very clever in taking this foothold as it compromises Trumps ability to force such a cessation of the war along those lines.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
I try to kind of keep up, but what the hell is BATO?

slip of the finger I presume. The B and N are next to each other on the keyboard.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
I try to kind of keep up, but what the hell is BATO?

slip of the finger I presume. The B and N are next to each other on the keyboard.

Well crap! I should have been able to figure that out on my own. Bill.