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This is Putin's fault, please try to follow along.  | |||
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Agree, but an extremely weak position by the US has allowed this to devolve. Putin shot an ICBM as a warning/reminder that all he has to do to end the world as we know it is change out the warhead. Our supplying long range missiles was an escalation, period. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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https://x.com/LeadingReport/st...ine.247542%2Fpage-78 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If you are saying that we should have provided more aid to Ukraine and that we should not have imposed restrictions on how they used our weapons, then I agree. This is ALL Putin's fault though, not Biden's or Trump's. | |||
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It really amazes me that people will continue to support failed policy, rather than admit that their political philosophy is a major cause of this shit. Can't you objectively look at the state of the world (as to war footing) and admit Trump had things turned down to a simmer, rather than the boiling point we are at now? Support Democrats, right up to Nuclear war. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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When has America EVER had a common sense foreign policy? | |||
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I said absolutely nothing of the kind. What I support is the rule of law, NATO, our international alliances and our allies. All thing the GOP supported until Trump came along. Have things been more heated the last four years? Certainly, but look at the behavior of Russia and China. Do you really think appeasement will work? It didn't for Neville Chamberlin, and it won't today. Putin needs a swift kick in the balls, not an American President who admires him and wants to be his "Friend". You may recall a man named Reagan and his behavior in the face of Communist aggression, far more admirable than wanting to Putin's friend. | |||
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It's not Trumps fault. Biden either. One man in the world is pushing this and if anyone thinks backing down when he does shit like this is not going to teach him to do it again. Then they are stupid. | |||
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Exactly. | |||
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Russia removing all troops from Ukrainian soil would end the war. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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It amazes me the democrats just keep supporting their failed policies. Obiden/Obama are the weakest of the weak. Putin once again saw the candy store door left open by Obiden. Putin just walked in the open door. Now Obiden has a war on his hands that he has no clue how to deal with it. O Biden’s typical democrat response is fire up the war manufacturers and spend a billion dollars and kill a few hundred thousand young men. Nothing beneficial is going to result from this fiasco. How many more young men should die? Is Zelinski someone worth fighting for and increasing our national debt? You really think Putin at his age is going to bite off attacking Poland? Just a war that didn’t need to happen. Just blame the weak democrats OBIDEN/Obama , what a waste of lives and money. | |||
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How very cowardly of you, Neville Chamberlin would be beaming with pride at your wanting to try appeasement with Putin. As Shanks pointed, you must be stupid if you believe that would work, but then we already knew that you are dumb as a post. | |||
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There is an antithesis out there that Chsmberlin was motivated more so at British not being ready for war. His goal being to buy time for Briton get ready. When we see the early British performance this is not inaccurate. | |||
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This response is exactly why debating it is hopeless. We see it 180 deg apart. Biden and Obama took a position of appeasement. Appeasement with the Ayatollahs, China, NK, and Russia. Trump's peace through strength policy can be proven, even to you lefties in here. "Trumps Gonna Start WW3!!!!" remember that? That is the exact reason his policy of peace through strength worked. Remember when General Millie had an (Illegal) conversation with his Chinese counterpart? Millie had to assure the Chinese, that if Trump was going to attack, they would get notice. Just that fact, that they reared Trumps actions, is in fact proof of peace through strength. Trump going to NK and meeting with Kim, same thing. No American president had ever crossed the DMZ. Remember the handshake as Trump walked into NK? Juxtaposing the two policies and coming away with "Trump is an appeaser", is simply disbelieving what your eyes are telling you. If anything, Trump is an isolationist. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If Putin and Xi continue taking land, resetting international boundaries and undermining the rule of law, does it matter if Trump is an isolationist or an appeaser? We need a POTUS who will stand up to this aggression, not one who wants to be besties with autocrats. Think Reagan, not Chamberlin for the win. | |||
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Appeasement... Trump on Iran https://www.crisisgroup.org/mi...trump-administration Biden on Iran https://www.iranintl.com/en/202403149205 https://www.wsj.com/articles/b...elor-azaria-b86bec8f You choose the weak stance, vs a strong stance. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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What land has Xi taken? and under which American President? Russia; Crimea under Obama, Ukraine war under Biden. How much proof do you need to be offered? The problem with blind political party solidarity is, when their policies get so looney, your continued support makes your positions less credible. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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And never forget who created the Iranian problems! Still going on to this day!! AMERICA! | |||
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Look who just lost access to American weapons until they get out of Sudan and quit funding the civil war there, the UAE. Maybe Putin will protect you Saeed  | |||
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We did Saeed. I don't claim that America is squeaky clean on world affairs. Specially the greater ME. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Wars always last until people get tired of dying No matter what anyone thinks, nations move, borders change and there is always gonna be winners and losers and it’s always on backs of fighting men and politicians make money on them It’s a sad part human history My true belief is this could have been prevented in 2014-2015 with involvement of US and EU Back then it was slow burning powder keg Now it’s a war with never ending end of attrition | |||
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Angela Merkel believed that appeasement would work with Putin, give him Crimea and he will stop was her belief, she was wrong. I believe you are correct in that 2014 would have been a much better time to put an end to this but you can't turn back the clock. | |||
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Would not surprise me, there seems to be an English tradition of public speech with private aims. Part of the tradition is taking the heat for it, in silence. Never apologize, never explain... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I agree 2014 would have been the time, but we must deal w reality. 1) As Henry VI (Peter O’Toole) said of the Aquitaine, “ My troops are all over it.” Ukraine cannot expel Russia from Ukraine proper much less the Crimea wo major military personnel by the West. This is not going to happen. I do not support it. The American body politic does not support it. We have real unfunded crisis and unfunded mandates here. Therefore, a negotiated peace is all that is possible. A negotiated peace means you give to get. Both sides have to give. The matter becomes one of priority. The Crimea is lost. Crimes is more important to Russia historically and geo-politically than Ukraine proper. 3) Russia was also promised and Ukraine is not worth it (not sorry) that NATO would not admit Ukraine. This needs reiterated for peace. See my above outline. If Russia would accept the backbone of above, Ukraine can accept or keep fighting. If Ukraine opted to keep fighting, they can see how long they last wo our support. I have more, direct hierarchy of needs to spend that money on domestically. | |||
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The Puppet Is Complaining… That China, Korea and Iran are helping Russia! Somehow blind to the whole Western alliance is on his side.! | |||
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I totally agree. Well said. | |||
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Bertram, You have no clue again. A Coward is someone like you who hides behind WEAK political parties like OBiden and Obama who get us involved in wars that are not needed . You are a complete dumbass thinking Putin is going after conquering Europe and if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine he’s going to overthrow the world. Sheesh you are a drama queen and dumb ass. How many people do you want to see killed? A million , five million? How much money do you want us to spend that we don’t have? Sounds like you better build yourself a bunker there in Boulderama , the Russians are coming the Russians are coming Stevie | |||
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Appeasement did not work with Putin before and it will not now. Look at Moldovia and Georgia as well. You are too dumb to see the forest for the trees. My views on Ukraine are in alignment with establishment Republicans. I would love to see this conflict end, it won't by giving Putin what he wants, he has proved that time and again. | |||
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We will see who is dumb in the next few months Stevie. And glad you can speak for both sides you WOKE Dems and the real REPUBLICANS. To funny. Sounds like you should be a world leader  | |||
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My inclination is that Dnieper is Russian goal for border Again, it is a mess and now the ball is in Trump’s court This is a tough nut to crack for it being border dispute with majority/minority people involved it will technically never end | |||
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Since Ukraine voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons based on our guarantees if we decide we aren't going to live up to those guarantees simple fairness would demand that we provide them with a replacement nuclear arsenal equivalent to what they gave up. From Wikipedia:
Make them whole then see if Putin wants to rattle his saber. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Clock is running on OJ, got less than two months. Promises made, promises kept. "That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president . . . If I win, when I'm president-elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together. I know Zelenskyy very well and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship and they respect your president, O.K., they respect me, they don't respect Biden." Donald Trump September 10, 2024 Mike | |||
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Oh hell no. The Budapest Accord was never ratified and we owe Ukraine nothing. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Empire I too would have lied, cheated and stolen in order to secure those loose Soviet nukes. And hell no those nukes didn't belong to Ukraine nor were they inherited . They were the former property of the Soviet Empire which didn't exist anymore. Ukraine had no more ownership of the nukes on its territory than Chechnya or Poland did , they needed to,they had to be taken. What idiot would have allowed People Magazines "Most Corrupt Country Ever" to retain an ill gotten weapons of mass destruction? | |||
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Well that's not quite true. Russia broke its agreement via declaring that Ukraine was not the same state that it signed the agreement with. Because of the revolution and govt change. Which is Bullshit. US and Britains role in defending Ukraine is ambiguous. There was no security agreement, but security was assured. Just listen to Clinton talk about it. | |||
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Bullshit, as usual. The CIA's Puppet broke every agreement he had with Russia. Done on purpose to start this war! Remember the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?? I don't trust the CIA and América one little bit! History speaks volumes of their crimes against humanity! | |||
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Trump's major appeasement was to give up Afghanistan to the Taliban under the Doha Agreement. Trump got snookered at the bargaining table. | |||
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What is new? Vietnam? You got not just snookered. But had your sorry arse handed to you. Same in Iraq. Afghanistan is still fresh! | |||
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In every case, the locals knew that our interest would be fleeting, in the big picture of history, and that it was only a matter of time before we'd leave. They were right, we were not interested in conquest or ruling their society. We were there to right a perceived wrong or secure a resource, not realizing that we were involved in a long-term struggle among people who lived there that would not end with our departure. I suspect that nation-building can only be done from the inside, by insiders. That's how it was for the USA, eons ago. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I saw a great QandA by a professor. I have posted her here before. Her thesis was that nation building went well in Europe, Germany after WWII bc these states had a foundation of economic, political, institutional structure to build back on. Where Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq had no fundamental structure. We were building a house from scratch and having to source and hew timber to do it at the same time. | |||
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