Two of theebiggest criminals against humanity..

Are carving it up.

SHAME ON AMERICA!

It's a shame what America is doing to the Gazans, but do I feel personally responsible?

No. I voted for his opponent and have opposed his decisions. Don't know what more I could do, short of calling SS or FBI attention to myself.

Writing to my Congressmen would be no help. They're spineless Trump toadies.

Suggestions would be welcome.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It's a shame what America is doing to the Gazans, but do I feel personally responsible?

No. I voted for his opponent and have opposed his decisions. Don't know what more I could do, short of calling SS or FBI attention to myself.

Writing to my Congressmen would be no help. They're spineless Trump toadies.

Suggestions would be welcome.

Wtf?

Roughly 3/4 of the time that this has been going on, "your" side was in charge. Recall the $200m "floating" (sinking) pier "your" guy built?

Oh, let's make it easy.. who was potus Oct 7, 2023? If you attach behavior of a foreign and sovereign country in reapona3 to terrorism to one US president, do be consistent

It doesn’t matter who is in charge in America!

NitanHitler and his criminal, illegal country OWNS you!

Culminating in them ordering you to bomb other countries on their behalf!

SHAME ON AMERICA!

Saeed's Hamas, the religious government of peace.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Saeed's Hamas, the religious government of peace.

Yeah! There is no way they are responsible.....October attack and all.....


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I'm not aware of any time Hamas and Gaza have demonstrated themselves to be responsible, sensible, reasonable or sufficient.

I don't think there's ever been a plan or an inkling from the Palestinians to take care of themselves or even act like adults.

My entire recollection of Palestine is, "Death to Israel!" and, "From the River to the Sea!". The extermination of Israel and the genocide of the Jews as far as I can tell is the only priority for everyone living in Gaza.

I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Saeed's Hamas, the religious government of peace.

Yeah! There is no way they are responsible.....October attack and all.....


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You two are too stupid to remember the trouble did not start in October.

It started in 1948 when the NEW NAZI STATE WAS CREATED UNDER THE GUISE OF ZIONISM!

Now the OWN you.

Even ordering you to bomb other countries on their behalf!


SHAME ON AMERICA!

The NEW NAZIS PUPPETS!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Saeed's Hamas, the religious government of peace.

Yeah! There is no way they are responsible.....October attack and all.....


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You two are too stupid to remember the trouble did not start in October.

It started in 1948 when the NEW NAZI STATE WAS CREATED UNDER THE GUISE OF ZIONISM!

Since that is your perspective then my only reply is that is seem time for the task or effort of Zionism to be completed.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I'm not aware of any time Hamas and Gaza have demonstrated themselves to be responsible, sensible, reasonable or sufficient.

I don't think there's ever been a plan or an inkling from the Palestinians to take care of themselves or even act like adults.

My entire recollection of Palestine is, "Death to Israel!" and, "From the River to the Sea!". The extermination of Israel and the genocide of the Jews as far as I can tell is the only priority for everyone living in Gaza.

I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

We should stay out of it. It's an intractable bottomless sinkhole of a problem that we're never going to be able to sort out.

It's my opinion we should stop giving and selling arms to Israel. I don't necessarily agree with the "New Nazi" talk but they damn sure aren't hiking the high road here. Starving innocent women and children with our support.

We should walk away from it and let them continue killing each other for the foreseeable future. Nothing we do is going to change it.

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You two are too stupid to remember the trouble did not start in October.

It started in 1948 when the NEW NAZI STATE WAS CREATED UNDER THE GUISE OF ZIONISM!

Well, it might have started when the grand mufti called for all the "Palestinians" to flee so the Arabs could wipe out the,isrealis....

Then the Israelis kicked the shit out of all the Arabs and won. The Arabs have been whining ever since.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I'm not aware of any time Hamas and Gaza have demonstrated themselves to be responsible, sensible, reasonable or sufficient.

I don't think there's ever been a plan or an inkling from the Palestinians to take care of themselves or even act like adults.

My entire recollection of Palestine is, "Death to Israel!" and, "From the River to the Sea!". The extermination of Israel and the genocide of the Jews as far as I can tell is the only priority for everyone living in Gaza.

I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

We should stay out of it. It's an intractable bottomless sinkhole of a problem that we're never going to be able to sort out.

It's my opinion we should stop giving and selling arms to Israel. I don't necessarily agree with the "New Nazi" talk but they damn sure aren't hiking the high road here. Starving innocent women and children with our support.

We should walk away from it and let them continue killing each other for the foreseeable future. Nothing we do is going to change it.

How do you feel about what we did to Berlin in wwII?


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I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

Sounds like nation building. But it just has to work this time....

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I'm not aware of any time Hamas and Gaza have demonstrated themselves to be responsible, sensible, reasonable or sufficient.

I don't think there's ever been a plan or an inkling from the Palestinians to take care of themselves or even act like adults.

My entire recollection of Palestine is, "Death to Israel!" and, "From the River to the Sea!". The extermination of Israel and the genocide of the Jews as far as I can tell is the only priority for everyone living in Gaza.

I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

We should stay out of it. It's an intractable bottomless sinkhole of a problem that we're never going to be able to sort out.

It's my opinion we should stop giving and selling arms to Israel. I don't necessarily agree with the "New Nazi" talk but they damn sure aren't hiking the high road here. Starving innocent women and children with our support.

We should walk away from it and let them continue killing each other for the foreseeable future. Nothing we do is going to change it.

How do you feel about what we did to Berlin in wwII?


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We did what we needed to do to help defeat a regime that was intent on taking over the world and whose allies attacked us.

What is your point?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Saeed's Hamas, the religious government of peace.

Yeah! There is no way they are responsible.....October attack and all.....


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You two are too stupid to remember the trouble did not start in October.

It started in 1948 when the NEW NAZI STATE WAS CREATED UNDER THE GUISE OF ZIONISM!

Since that is your perspective then my only reply is that is seem time for the task or effort of Zionism to be completed.

I GUARANTEE you Zionism will NEVER achieve their aims.

They will die an inglorious death just as the Nazis did!

. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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It's an intractable bottomless sinkhole of a problem that we're never going to be able to sort out.

I certainly agree.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

I'm under the impression that generational hatred of Israel and the existence of cadres of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Israel thrived well before current events.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

Sounds like nation building. But it just has to work this time....

You have experience with Japan i believe, it didn't work there?
I 100% support the idea of peace, prosperity and sovereignty for all Palestinians, every single last one.
I'm standing by, waiting and hoping for that first Palestanian to step up and take charge.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

If you haven’t learned by now that NOTHING will ever change that…there is no hope for you. Hence the reason Israel has chosen to erase Gaza and I would do the same if I were them. People who burn children alive while celebrating CANNOT be appeased. Extermination is the only remedy.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

If you haven’t learned by now that NOTHING will ever change that…there is no hope for you. Hence the reason Israel has chosen to erase Gaza and I would do the same if I were them. People who burn children alive while celebrating CANNOT be appeased. Extermination is the only remedy.

At least you admit that it is genocide and that you support it. What other races would you like to see exterminated in your perfect world?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

If you haven’t learned by now that NOTHING will ever change that…there is no hope for you. Hence the reason Israel has chosen to erase Gaza and I would do the same if I were them. People who burn children alive while celebrating CANNOT be appeased. Extermination is the only remedy.

At least you admit that it is genocide and that you support it. What other races would you like to see exterminated in your perfect world?

Ah, more ignorance. There is no “race” extermination taking place in Gaza — only terrorist extermination…as they should be. I am old enough to remember you prior to your journey…where you too were for ridding the world of terrorists.

At least you didn’t try to stay with the narrative that something could make the terrorists begin to tolerate Israel.

It's ironic really.
if the middle east did not have Israel to hate together, some one of the sandbox crowd would be beating on the redheaded stepchild, Palestine themselves.
The tribes of the ME have always been at war with each other it seems.

And I’m of the opinion which I stated on here before that their comrades in all neighboring countries could give them some of their land as they got shit load and problem solved…at least for awhile
No other solution will work…period

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Originally posted by theback40:
It's ironic really.
if the middle east did not have Israel to hate together, some one of the sandbox crowd would be beating on the redheaded stepchild, Palestine themselves.
The tribes of the ME have always been at war with each other it seems.

Since the old testament days --

AND most certainly in the early 20th century -- there's a whole, highly awarded, movie about the warring tribes - it's called lawrence of arabia -

peeling backwards --
the ottoman turks found the region "unquiet" with tribal, NOT NATIONAL, war --

While the region must have been amazing during the caliphate, pre- and post- ? tribal warfare

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

If you haven’t learned by now that NOTHING will ever change that…there is no hope for you. Hence the reason Israel has chosen to erase Gaza and I would do the same if I were them. People who burn children alive while celebrating CANNOT be appeased. Extermination is the only remedy.

"Extermination is the only remedy."

You're fucking nuts. You talk about being mentally ill. You need to step into the front of the line.

Himmler would be so proud.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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I see nothing but positive in the international community taking over Gaza and planning a future of peace and prosperity for the Palestinians. Self governance doesn't seem to be the Palestinians venue.

Sounds like nation building. But it just has to work this time....

You have experience with Japan i believe, it didn't work there?
I 100% support the idea of peace, prosperity and sovereignty for all Palestinians, every single last one.
I'm standing by, waiting and hoping for that first Palestanian to step up and take charge.

Japan is a unique culture and their cooperation with the US occupation is not typical of conquered peoples.

I mistrust nation-building, especially in the Middle East. We don't understand the culture. I do know it's not like Japan's. Our recent experience with nation-building in the ME was a twenty-year failure.

We should stay the hell out of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, except for humanitarian efforts. Neither side has clean hands, and they both seem devoted to killing each other.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . all the current conflict has accomplished is to create generational hatred toward Israel and a whole new cadre of Palestinians dedicated to the destruction of Jews and Israel.

If you haven’t learned by now that NOTHING will ever change that…there is no hope for you. Hence the reason Israel has chosen to erase Gaza and I would do the same if I were them. People who burn children alive while celebrating CANNOT be appeased. Extermination is the only remedy.

"Extermination is the only remedy."

You're fucking nuts. You talk about being mentally ill. You need to step into the front of the line.

What would you do with people who doused little girls with a mixture of gasoline and diesel, set them alight, and rejoiced while watching them burn?

Where I come from we exterminate them.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:


Japan is a unique culture and their cooperation with the US occupation is not typical of conquered peoples.

I mistrust nation-building, especially in the Middle East. We don't understand the culture. I do know it's not like Japan's. Our recent experience with nation-building in the ME was a twenty-year failure.

We should stay the hell out of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, except for humanitarian efforts. Neither side has clean hands, and they both seem devoted to killing each other.

I think your mistrust of nation building is spot on and wise. What alternative is there?

If Gaza is abandoned by Israel, Hamas resurgent.

If Gaza is managed by Kushner and co there may be survival for Palestine.

If Gaza is occupied by a conquering Israel i see no future for a sovereign Palestine.

Saeed has made it plain that Islam has no use for Palestine other than cannon fodder.

And ill repeat myself, we should not abandon an ally in the middle of fight. Not Ukraine, not Israel.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Himmler would be so proud.

Patton, Sherman, MacArthur too.

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we should not abandon an ally in the middle of fight. Not Ukraine, not Israel.

In each of the two cases, who is the aggressor and who the defender? Are we supporting invasion and aggression in Ukraine?

The two examples aren't comparable.

What do we owe Israel, anyway? Has Israel ever aided the US in conflict? If they ever did, I don't remember it.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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we should not abandon an ally in the middle of fight. Not Ukraine, not Israel.

In each of the two cases, who is the aggressor and who the defender? Are we supporting invasion and aggression in Ukraine?

The two examples aren't comparable.

What do we owe Israel, anyway? Has Israel ever aided the US in conflict? If they ever did, I don't remember it.

Israel was attacked, Ukraine was attacked.
Are you making this up as you go?

Israel has been a decades old ally against Islamic Terrorism. Israel opposes Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS in Syria to name a few.

Ukraine has never, ever been anything more to the West than a corrupt spitoon. Regardless, seeing as how America decided to support Ukraine our nation should see it thru.

The two examples aren't just comparable they are identical as they are both allies we have a history of standing with.

If America should stop selling arms to Israel I'm all for it, but as with Ukraine, not in the middle of a fight.

I don't object to SELLING arms to Israel. I object to GIVING so many arms to Israel.

"Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $310 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance."

https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

With US taxpayer funds pouring in, Israel, for one example, can offer its citizens universal health care--which US citizens don't get. How about we keep that money at home for our own people?

Sure, Israel has acted against terrorists. But since most Arabic terrorism is directed at Israel, they are looking out for their own interests. Tell us when Israel ever helped the US except when their own interests were involved.

Israel was first attacked on October 7, but it's ludicrous to deny that they are the aggressor now and have been for more that a year. Gaza is nothing like Ukraine, sorry.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:


Japan is a unique culture and their cooperation with the US occupation is not typical of conquered peoples.

I mistrust nation-building, especially in the Middle East. We don't understand the culture. I do know it's not like Japan's. Our recent experience with nation-building in the ME was a twenty-year failure.

We should stay the hell out of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, except for humanitarian efforts. Neither side has clean hands, and they both seem devoted to killing each other.

I think your mistrust of nation building is spot on and wise. What alternative is there?

If Gaza is abandoned by Israel, Hamas resurgent.

If Gaza is managed by Kushner and co there may be survival for Palestine.

If Gaza is occupied by a conquering Israel i see no future for a sovereign Palestine.

Saeed has made it plain that Islam has no use for Palestine other than cannon fodder.

And ill repeat myself, we should not abandon an ally in the middle of fight. Not Ukraine, not Israel.

A most STUPID and IRRATIONAL answer on this problem.

Kushner and Blaire trying to build Gaza as a New Nazi city financed by Trump!