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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is butthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullshit), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of shit.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To some extent, the ground water runoff issue affects the Mississippi.

Here in MN we have been doing a lot of flood prevention programs which essentially try and stop water from entering rivers very quickly. How do they do this? Retaining ponds. Which the folks living next to like as full time water bodies… so they do not get drained out to maintain the river.

Similarly the whole pollution aspect has stopped storm sewers from draining into the river. They go into water treatment plants and a sizable amount of water evaporates in the holding ponds and is rather slowly released, giving less runoff overall.

And let’s not get too deep into the ogallala aquifer issue.

We fill it through our lakes and streams (particularly Lake Superior) yet we are not allowed to use the water (MN is not a water rights state, yet the feds tell us that aquifer is dedicated to folks to the south) and they have been sucking so much out of it that we are having lake depth issues with it.

California should be told to deal with its own mess (desalination sounds like a good idea) and too bad if some celebrities lose their oceanfront view because they have to indulge in eminent domain.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To some extent, the ground water runoff issue affects the Mississippi.

Here in MN we have been doing a lot of flood prevention programs which essentially try and stop water from entering rivers very quickly. How do they do this? Retaining ponds. Which the folks living next to like as full time water bodies… so they do not get drained out to maintain the river.

Similarly the whole pollution aspect has stopped storm sewers from draining into the river. They go into water treatment plants and a sizable amount of water evaporates in the holding ponds and is rather slowly released, giving less runoff overall.

And let’s not get too deep into the ogallala aquifer issue.

We fill it through our lakes and streams (particularly Lake Superior) yet we are not allowed to use the water (MN is not a water rights state, yet the feds tell us that aquifer is dedicated to folks to the south) and they have been sucking so much out of it that we are having lake depth issues with it.

California should be told to deal with its own mess (desalination sounds like a good idea) and too bad if some celebrities lose their oceanfront view because they have to indulge in eminent domain.

Beavers slow the runoff somewhat, we could use more of them in the mountains.
They improve the fishing, too.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To some extent, the ground water runoff issue affects the Mississippi.

Here in MN we have been doing a lot of flood prevention programs which essentially try and stop water from entering rivers very quickly. How do they do this? Retaining ponds. Which the folks living next to like as full time water bodies… so they do not get drained out to maintain the river.

Similarly the whole pollution aspect has stopped storm sewers from draining into the river. They go into water treatment plants and a sizable amount of water evaporates in the holding ponds and is rather slowly released, giving less runoff overall.

And let’s not get too deep into the ogallala aquifer issue.

We fill it through our lakes and streams (particularly Lake Superior) yet we are not allowed to use the water (MN is not a water rights state, yet the feds tell us that aquifer is dedicated to folks to the south) and they have been sucking so much out of it that we are having lake depth issues with it.

California should be told to deal with its own mess (desalination sounds like a good idea) and too bad if some celebrities lose their oceanfront view because they have to indulge in eminent domain.

Beavers slow the runoff somewhat, we could use more of them in the mountains.
They improve the fishing, too.

Plus, they kill off trees, dam culverts, and flood roads.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is butthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullshit), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of shit.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is b*tthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullsh*t), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of sh*t.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is butthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullshit), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of shit.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

I remember it well.....those "dumb republicans" had idiotic green mandates foisted on them by ignorant federal regulations that caused us to have to shut down coal,fired power plants and stopped us from building new gas fired power plants.

Idiotic green scams pushed by moron liberals.

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During the 2011 Groundhog Day blizzard, Texas had faced similar power outages due to frozen power equipment, after which the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission reported that more winterization of power infrastructure was necessary.[46] ERCOT said that some generators since then implemented new winter "best practices," but these were on a voluntary basis and mandatory regulation had not been established...

Unlike other power interconnections, Texas does not require a reserve margin of power capacity beyond what is expected.[53] A 2019 North American Electric Reliability Corporation report found that ERCOT had a low anticipated reserve margin of generation capacity and was the only part of the country without sufficient resources available to meet projected peak summer electricity demand.[54]

Gov. Abbott's appointees to the Public Utility Commission of Texas ended a contract with the Texas Reliability Entity in November 2020, reducing oversight of the grid.[55] In July, Abbott's commissioners disbanded its Oversight and Enforcement Division, dropping pending cases that ensure reliability.[56] While not a direct cause, the Commission's minimal oversight of utility companies, limited budget, and voluntary standards restricted its ability to secure consistent performance...

There was not only insufficient power generation capacity online, but also insufficient natural gas supply to the power plants. The failure of some gas distribution infrastructure, which had not been adequately winterized, resulted in exceedingly high prices for natural gas. Some gas compressor stations lost power when utilities began shutdowns, and overall gas supply fell by 85%.[57] University of Texas professor Michael Webber said, "This is the moral hazard of the market which is when wind or solar or coal or nuclear underperforms, they lose money. And when gas power plants underperform they lose money. But when the gas producers underperform, they made money. And this is why the gas system gets a pass, which is it's very lucrative for it to fail, and that lucrative return shows up as political donations that curries favor that really gets the statewide officials to turn a blind eye to it...

On March 1, 2021, DeAnn T. Walker, the chairwoman of the Public Utility Commission (PUC), the Texas agency responsible for overseeing ERCOT and the state's electricity grid, resigned after a week of tough questioning from Texas legislators at a round of hearings.[129] Governor Greg Abbott, who had originally appointed Walker, filled the vacant chairperson position by promoting PUC Commissioner Arthur D'Andrea two days later.[130] On March 9, 2021, D'Andrea was recorded reassuring utility investors that he would protect their profits in a 48-minute call that was later leaked to the press.[131] D'Andrea resigned his post a week later, two hours after the call was leaked.[132]

At issue is $16 billion in alleged overcharges that accrued when the PUC issued orders requiring ERCOT set the price of electricity at the $9,000-a-megawatt-hour maximum for nearly two days after widespread outages ended late the night of February 17 instead of resetting the prices the following day. Power generation entities benefited from the inflated prices, but retail companies and entities that buy the generated power to sell directly to consumers have gone bankrupt...

In March 2021, the Texas State Legislature introduced a package of bills that would put measures in place to prevent a future power outage in extreme temperatures. House Bill 11 defined extreme weather conditions to provide a guideline for regulators and industry to design around,[133] and House Bill 14 would create the Texas Supply Chain Security and Mapping Committee to prioritize energy needs during extreme weather,[134] but neither bill passed.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is b*tthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullsh*t), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of sh*t.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

nah we saw the problem and resolved it -- unlike annual rolling blackouts in "amazing" cali/LA --

aint we dumb? problem, resolution, move on -- and it gives you a single point to gripe about -- win-win-win


you'll agree that we didn't have a repeat this past week, yeah?

hmm, the palisade's reservoir being EMPTY might have a little to do with the failure of control of the fires.. just a LITTLE bit?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
great video to encourage persons to choose cali
https://youtube.com/shorts/u9x...?si=3ZeCt8Ef5o3FTOmJ

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is b*tthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullsh*t), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of sh*t.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

nah we saw the problem and resolved it -- unlike annual rolling blackouts in "amazing" cali/LA --

aint we dumb? problem, resolution, move on -- and it gives you a single point to gripe about -- win-win-win


you'll agree that we didn't have a repeat this past week, yeah?

hmm, the palisade's reservoir being EMPTY might have a little to do with the failure of control of the fires.. just a LITTLE bit?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pac...empty-163924460.html



Officials told The Times that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed for repairs to its cover, leaving a 117 million gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades.

Also the water issues lasted for a few hours.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is butthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullshit), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of shit.

Yeah....well.....how's that better plan working? Kookifornia,is burning like a Roman candle!

Dumb duck democrats cant manage manage shit.

I guess you forgot about the Texans who froze their asses off a few years back because the dumb Republicans in charge didn't plan for unusually cold weather.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why...hters-031621203.html

I remember it well.....those "dumb republicans" had idiotic green mandates foisted on them by ignorant federal regulations that caused us to have to shut down coal,fired power plants and stopped us from building new gas fired power plants.

Idiotic green scams pushed by moron liberals.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Baker 458, 45 + years since the last one built is amazing. Is it one of those, always talked about, but never done, things?
Who can think millions more people, but no increase in water is sustainable?

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Originally posted by Baker458:

Jeff, above, is correct. I'm not even sure that "colossal mismanagement" is a good enough descriptor for what has happened here.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Water is a big problem in western states especially. The government should be building dams wherever they can.

~Ann

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Tom
I am unaware of gas wellheads freezing. I suppose it could happen, but we are talking -20 or worse conditions... i have seen 0 a time or two, teens a little more often,

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Originally posted by Baker458:
Google: "Gavin Newsom Dam Removal"

You'll find him bragging about removing 4 dams on the Klamath (last year) that had "blocked the rivers natural flow for over a century."

Uh, yeah... That's how you store water last I checked.

I'm sure we can figure out other ways to store water, if that's what they want. But they aren't even trying.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Tom
I am unaware of gas wellheads freezing. I suppose it could happen, but we are talking -20 or worse conditions... i have seen 0 a time or two, teens a little more often,

They were in the news at the time. Not much of a secret.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Water is a big problem in western states especially. The government should be building dams wherever they can.

If it were still the 1950's they would be.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Water is a big problem in western states especially. The government should be building dams wherever they can.

If it were still the 1950's they would be.

if it were still the 1950s, Trump never would have been elected the first time, let alone a second time.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Water is a big problem in western states especially. The government should be building dams wherever they can.

If it were still the 1950's they would be.

if it were still the 1950s, Trump never would have been elected the first time, let alone a second time.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I am sure the 1950s will be restored after four years of Trump.

Just like his first term...

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

Kookiphonia is the home of NIMBY they ain't gonna have that ugly shit in their view!!!!

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

Kookiphonia is the home of NIMBY they ain't gonna have that ugly shit in their view!!!!

Well, I wouldn't really know, but I wonder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...nd_firestorm_of_1991

I had this in my view for about 5 years, I moved to AK in 1997. Things like this and what's happening in LA leave an indelible scar.

Slowly but surely California is burning itself down. For all California's concerns about carbon footprint, smog and greenhouse gasses, I'm quite sure California leads the nation in air pollution just with its annual wildfires alone.

I'd like to think that at some point they'll realize that the Caterpillar d-8's are gonna be out on the hillsides regardless. It's just a matter of whether they want them there before or during and after all their homes are destroyed.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

Kookiphonia is the home of NIMBY they ain't gonna have that ugly shit in their view!!!!

Well, I wouldn't really know, but I wonder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...nd_firestorm_of_1991

I had this in my view for about 5 years, I moved to AK in 1997. Things like this and what's happening in LA leave an indelible scar.

Slowly but surely California is burning itself down. For all California's concerns about carbon footprint, smog and greenhouse gasses, I'm quite sure California leads the nation in air pollution just with its annual wildfires alone.

I'd like to think that at some point they'll realize that the Caterpillar d-8's are gonna be out on the hillsides regardless. It's just a matter of whether they want them there before or during and after all their homes are destroyed.

great post, Scott -

i heard, didn't verify, that the CURRENT wildfires have "rolled back" all the emission "savings" for the last 6 to 7 years

as for D-8s, it's amazing how every other ranch, and most hunting ranches, have what looks like WWII surplus D-8s -- pulling chains and root plows

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

Kookiphonia is the home of NIMBY they ain't gonna have that ugly shit in their view!!!!

Well, I wouldn't really know, but I wonder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...nd_firestorm_of_1991

I had this in my view for about 5 years, I moved to AK in 1997. Things like this and what's happening in LA leave an indelible scar.

Slowly but surely California is burning itself down. For all California's concerns about carbon footprint, smog and greenhouse gasses, I'm quite sure California leads the nation in air pollution just with its annual wildfires alone.

I'd like to think that at some point they'll realize that the Caterpillar d-8's are gonna be out on the hillsides regardless. It's just a matter of whether they want them there before or during and after all their homes are destroyed.

great post, Scott -

i heard, didn't verify, that the CURRENT wildfires have "rolled back" all the emission "savings" for the last 6 to 7 years

as for D-8s, it's amazing how every other ranch, and most hunting ranches, have what looks like WWII surplus D-8s -- pulling chains and root plows

I briefly tried to catalog and then gave up the different catastrophic fires in CA. It has been in LA, all over the Sierras, the Bay Area, Wine Country, central California to include Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara,....

Prove me wrong, California has pumped millions of tons of greenhouse gasses into our atmosphere and as a side benefit killed hundreds, destroyed billions in property and bankrupted I dunno.

I wouldn't know how to tabulate the amount of jet-a fuel burned by fire fighting airplanes in the last week or three decades.

I would know how to find the numbers on gallons of diesel burned by fire trucks over the last 50 years.

It's a choice. Either choose to emit those greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere preventing fires and the loss of life and property or choose to emit those same greenhouse gasses mopping up the ashes of incinerated communities and cities.

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Originally posted by Baker458:
. As would be DIGGING THEM DEEPER DURING OUR DROUGHTS. And I think we could have less legal injunctions on those 2 ideas.

But those who run my state have higher priorities for the mass of tax dollars they collect from us.

Building reservoirs isn't sexy, and the real hard-core leftys want existing dams blown up, not new ones put in.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
The lack of adequate water reservoirs in drought prone portions of CA is astonishing. Not just for fire control but for household functions too.

Reservoirs don't have to be damned rivers. They can and perhaps should be damned areas in the mountains or other suitable low areas that are gravity fed. Most ranches where I am have such set up. Water collects in low areas that may or may not have a berm built to help retain water. I have one on my property (my other pond is naturally spring fed).

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Originally posted by Scott King:
So when California potentially exceeds the citizens it can water, why do they allow more?