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Originally posted by JTEX:
Much more important than water for fire control in southern California!!!!

The citizens of kookifornia need to wake up! Bike lanes don't seem so important when you home is burning.....

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Much more important than water for fire control in southern California!!!!

The citizens of kookifornia need to wake up! Bike lanes don't seem so important when you home is burning.....

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Quite a bit more complicated I think.

Like Steves home in Arizona, southern California has to import its water over hundreds of miles. Neither LA or Arizona can sustain it's residents without importing resources like water.

To muddy that task, they recently came out of a severe drought, LA has had an exceptionally dry winter this year, (drought,) and the long running western water wars are hotter than ever. We've all read quite a bit recently about the Colorado River supply problems.

Not to mention the continual growth of residential development. There are homes in the bushes, homes in the trees. There are homes in the canyons, mountain tops, hillsides, valleys, plateaus, beaches, deserts and on the water.

I wonder how many non native Eucalyptus trees were planted and growing in and around LA? Eucalyptus in Australian means Roman Candle.

Palisades and greater LA is just the next location to go inferno after decades of fire suppression and zero range management. The brush is so thick the coyotes and mountain lions can grab the neighbors cats right out from under the backyard lights.

I did read yesterday that the firefighters were focusing on rescue and lifesaving not fighting the fire.

Places like LA have just done too much for too long to encourage this disaster.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/greg_price11/sta...055198604017790?s=46

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Twenty miles outside Corpus Christi, Texas — an area so dry the local water company distributes shower timers at high school football games — the world’s richest man is nearly done building a lithium refinery that could require as much as eight-million gallons of water per day.

In a rare public update on the $1-billion project, Tesla in December said it was starting to test the ability to process lithium through the new factory. But the carmaker still doesn't have a contract for the water needed to operate the facility, presenting a hurdle for CEO Elon Musk’s goal of turning lithium into chemical products used to make electric vehicle batteries.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/greg_price11/sta...055198604017790?s=46

Good example of Trump proving he is among the three dumbest fucking humans alive. He's going to bring water from Canada to water forests in California? And where does he think 95% of rivers run to?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Quite a bit more complicated I think.

Like Steves home in Arizona, southern California has to import its water over hundreds of miles. Neither LA or Arizona can sustain it's residents without importing resources like water.

To muddy that task, they recently came out of a severe drought, LA has had an exceptionally dry winter this year, (drought,) and the long running western water wars are hotter than ever. We've all read quite a bit recently about the Colorado River supply problems.

Not to mention the continual growth of residential development. There are homes in the bushes, homes in the trees. There are homes in the canyons, mountain tops, hillsides, valleys, plateaus, beaches, deserts and on the water.

I wonder how many non native Eucalyptus trees were planted and growing in and around LA? Eucalyptus in Australian means Roman Candle.

Palisades and greater LA is just the next location to go inferno after decades of fire suppression and zero range management. The brush is so thick the coyotes and mountain lions can grab the neighbors cats right out from under the backyard lights.

I did read yesterday that the firefighters were focusing on rescue and lifesaving not fighting the fire.

Places like LA have just done too much for too long to encourage this disaster.

Scott -

One small correction as to our drinking/general use water. We use the Salt and Verde Rivers chain of lakes and robust ground water here.

Arizona built the CAP canal (Central Arizona Project)many years ago. It goes from Lake Havasu all the way down to Tucson.

There are two separate pumping stations in Havasu. One, goes to SoCal, the other supplies the CAP. California sucks far more out than we do here.

They also take the a majority of the power generated by the Palo Verde nuclear plant west of town. There are 4 separate other power plants right near each other out by Palo Verde, they are NG powered.

California is a leach on Arizona's resources.

picture of the Havasu pumping plant.

https://calisphere.org/item/73...2b781f1775f402c2d9e/

Salt and Verde river chain.

https://www.srpnet.com/grid-wa...ter-recreation/lakes

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Originally posted by theback40:
When was the last reservoir put in?
I listened to some political nut on NPR this summer about the high speed rail project.
He was saying the state needs to get out there and take the farms and land it needed to get it through. The most important project in california!!! Hmm, I wonder if that still holds?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Well, if we dump ocean water on the fires at least it will inhibit forest regrowth for a while.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/greg_price11/sta...055198604017790?s=46

Good example of Trump proving he is among the three dumbest f*cking humans alive. He's going to bring water from Canada to water forests in California? And where does he think 95% of rivers run to?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Well, if we dump ocean water on the fires at least it will inhibit forest regrowth for a while.

Will be real useful inhibiting forest regrowth in the suburban neighborhoods that are burning.

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

Neither was. You're dumber than I thought.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump is butthurt that Biden worked with California to develop a better plan than what Trump tried to impose, which actually sends some water south from the "Delta" (unlike Trump's bullshit), but nothing about California's water distribution system either caused the current wildfires (any more than not raking forests did) or impacts the ability to fight them. In fact, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has the most water stored in its system in its history.

Trump is, as usual, both lying and full of shit.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

Neither was. You're dumber than I thought.

If you know anybody who can read ask them to look up "sarcasm" for you, then try to explain it in grunts and gestures you can understand.

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

Neither was. You're dumber than I thought.

If you know anybody who can read ask them to look up "sarcasm" for you, then try to explain it in grunts and gestures you can understand.

Keep up the good work, moron. You're on the way to taking The Gold.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
To your question about reservoirs and Saeeds question about desalination, my guess is because it's not sexy. Projects look me that aren't interesting.

Things like High Speed rails, Climate Change and Reparations attract all the attention. Around water shortages just mean the farmers and other food producers need to be cut off

Actually I am aware of at least two new reservoir plans.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Years ago I read a proposal for a freshwater pipeline from Alaska to California. The cost was surprisingly low.

Such a pipeline wouldn't need a lot of structural support. The pipeline would be constructed of plastic and weighted to sink below wave action in storms. Unlike oil, a freshwater spill in the ocean would do no environmental damage. Rivers spill freshwater into the ocean every day.

Must be some reason the idea hasn't been pursued. Maybe California hasn't yet gotten desperate enough.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Years ago I read a proposal for a freshwater pipeline from Alaska to California. The cost was surprisingly low.

Such a pipeline wouldn't need a lot of structural support. The pipeline would be constructed of plastic and weighted to sink below wave action in storms. Unlike oil, a freshwater spill in the ocean would do no environmental damage. Rivers spill freshwater into the ocean every day.

Must be some reason the idea hasn't been pursued. Maybe California hasn't yet gotten desperate enough.

Interesting concept.

I forwarded an idea I had to the Bureau of Reclamation years ago. I was watching the news and they were covering one of the many floods we have in the midwest.

My idea was to have a large canal, somewhat like we already have here in Arizona. It would take water from flooded areas, and disperse it throughout the country, to holding lakes to be used as irrigation.

Lots of technical issues to engineer around but it makes sense to take water away from floods and send it to drought areas.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by rcraig:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Pacific Palisades was famous for its forests, as was the beachfront in Malibu.

Neither was. You're dumber than I thought.

If you know anybody who can read ask them to look up "sarcasm" for you, then try to explain it in grunts and gestures you can understand.

Keep up the good work, moron. You're on the way to taking The Gold.

Since it's obvious that you entered the discussion in a feeble attempt to insult me and nothing else I'll cordially invite you to go fuck yourself and wish you a nice day.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
To some extent, the ground water runoff issue affects the Mississippi.

Here in MN we have been doing a lot of flood prevention programs which essentially try and stop water from entering rivers very quickly. How do they do this? Retaining ponds. Which the folks living next to like as full time water bodies… so they do not get drained out to maintain the river.

Similarly the whole pollution aspect has stopped storm sewers from draining into the river. They go into water treatment plants and a sizable amount of water evaporates in the holding ponds and is rather slowly released, giving less runoff overall.

And let’s not get too deep into the ogallala aquifer issue.

We fill it through our lakes and streams (particularly Lake Superior) yet we are not allowed to use the water (MN is not a water rights state, yet the feds tell us that aquifer is dedicated to folks to the south) and they have been sucking so much out of it that we are having lake depth issues with it.

California should be told to deal with its own mess (desalination sounds like a good idea) and too bad if some celebrities lose their oceanfront view because they have to indulge in eminent domain.