This is fucking ridiculous. It’s their debt, not mine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...j85qvXw1Li2yGhGLeU74

Yeah, everybody knows if you're going to give money away you give it to millionaires and billionaires...

Who has more votes, millionaires or student loan recipients?? I repeat, this is fucking ridiculous. I guess I’m old fashioned but it was taught that if you borrowed money, you paid it back. Obviously your mileage has varied. Tells me all I need to know about you and your ethics and morals.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who has more votes, millionaires or student loan recipients?? I repeat, this is fucking ridiculous. I guess I’m old fashioned but it was taught that if you borrowed money, you paid it back. Obviously your mileage has varied. Tells me all I need to know about you and your ethics and morals.

I took out student loans and paid every nickle back, with interest, so go fuck yourself.

Jeffive,

I kinda think we may agree with each other on this, but not sure. I took out a small student loan and paid it off withing 6 months after getting a job, with interest. So why do these people who took out ridiculous amounts of student loans deserve forgiveness. Only because Democrats want votes.

THIS^^^^^Its all about the votes and has fuckall to do with anything else. Commonly known as buying votes, Jeffie.

Is anyone on a position to explain how this attempt to forgive student loans through executive action any different than the last attempt the S. Ct., rejected?

I generally agree that this is bad policy. I went to smaller, public, less important schools because they paid me to come. I graduated through law school w no debt.

The one issue is, I know a lot of folks who are having student loans forgiven through taking public sector jobs such as parole agents, teachers, and dpa. They have to make minimum payment for so many years. I think 10 years.

I use to practice against a girl from Harvard Law. She told me Harvard paid off her student loan, or forgave it upon graduation.

Just realize that a good portion are not paying back in full w interest already.

Never understood why people go to college if they can’t afford it and many degrees don’t offer bright future in making enough money to make decent living
With this college thing for everyone is diminishing the institution of higher learning/better salary

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Yeah, everybody knows if you're going to give money away you give it to millionaires and billionaires...

It's almost like...you know...cutting taxes for businesses and millionaires.

Both of you have not so skillfully avoided the central issue I raised- buying 890,000 votes. Of course each recipient of taxpayer largesse does get an email from slo jo extolling his gift….

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Yeah, everybody knows if you're going to give money away you give it to millionaires and billionaires...

It's almost like...you know...cutting taxes for businesses and millionaires.

Typical mindset of a liberal.

Pretax revenue is not an asset of the government. It is an asset of the citizen. Trying to keep as much of one’s earnings as possible and arguing over the correct percentage of taxation is VERY American…I believe an important war was fought on that as one of its principles in the 18th century resulting in a newly founded country.

Paying off one person’s loan on the back of someone else’s is a communist principle.

There is nothing equivalent between the 2 concepts at all.

Only wannabe communists would try to show it as an equivalency.

A true democrat (a student of the principles of democracy) would be for equal taxation…something like a flat tax.

Surely this one too will be rejected by the SCOTUS.

But even that battle will buy some votes.

Democrats are despicable…what do you expect!?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Who has more votes, millionaires or student loan recipients?? I repeat, this is fucking ridiculous. I guess I’m old fashioned but it was taught that if you borrowed money, you paid it back. Obviously your mileage has varied. Tells me all I need to know about you and your ethics and morals.

Exactly!!

Responsibility for you debts and your bad decisions!!!


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Originally posted by jdollar:
THIS^^^^^Its all about the votes and has fuckall to do with anything else. Commonly known as buying votes, Jeffie.

Buying votes with other peoples money!

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So it's ok to give a trillion dollar tax cut to the wealthiest people, bringing in lots of campaign contributions from said people, but not ok to give 890,000 people not even half that amount? Selective rage? Where is the anger over all those PPP loans that were forgiven, including to many members of congress? These are all giveaways, why pick on this one? What percentage of those degrees are the ones you consider worthless? People with degrees, overall, pay a lot more taxes during their working lives than those without. Aside from political griping, where's the moral outrage from free giveaways to the richest? My senator Grassley got over 300,000 in covid money for his family's farm. He's as much a farmer as I am. The hypocrisy runs deep.

Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

Everyone knows it's a money game The Koch family only gets one vote for each member, but how many votes does their political propaganda costing millions buy? Why do you think Petrol Pete is in Oklahoma schools? Buying future votes with brainwashing propaganda. These issues are joined at the hip and you know it.

You left out Soros.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

Everyone knows it's a money game The Koch family only gets one vote for each member, but how many votes does their political propaganda costing millions buy? Why do you think Petrol Pete is in Oklahoma schools? Buying future votes with brainwashing propaganda. These issues are joined at the hip and you know it.

Now you just admitted Biden is buying votes as he’s got more money( ours ) then anyone else

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

Everyone knows it's a money game The Koch family only gets one vote for each member, but how many votes does their political propaganda costing millions buy? Why do you think Petrol Pete is in Oklahoma schools? Buying future votes with brainwashing propaganda. These issues are joined at the hip and you know it.

nearly 1 million votes bought with loan forgiveness this week -- you might not have seen that on CNN at the cafe - it's called buying votes, pops

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

Everyone knows it's a money game The Koch family only gets one vote for each member, but how many votes does their political propaganda costing millions buy? Why do you think Petrol Pete is in Oklahoma schools? Buying future votes with brainwashing propaganda. These issues are joined at the hip and you know it.

Don’t know who petrol Pete is. One man, one vote. But this welfare freebie is not a future propaganda move. It’s right now 5-6 months before the first primaries. I don’t expect you to admit it’s election pandering. After all you can’t fix stupid.

I fully understand you don't get it.

I fully understand you will never admit this is a vote buying scheme..

Show me where I said it's not. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy. Tax breaks for billionaires to get huge campaign donations is the same thing in reality. Koch's don't spend their money foolishly.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Pitiful misdirection. In debating terms this is called a red herring tactic. Look over there. Millionaires each have one vote. Welfare recipients have one vote. Which group has more votes? 890,000 is a pretty large bunch of welfare recipients. And yes, they are receiving welfare in another disguise……

There are 22.7 million millionaires in the US.

What do you call that in debating terms? Your number sucks?

https://www.statista.com/chart...%20the%20population).

Mike,
close enough is referencing billionaires -- about 400 or so in the US

do you know the difference between a billionaire and a millionaire?

about a billion dollars

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
close enough is referencing billionaires -- about 400 or so in the US

"There are over 24.4 million people in the United States with wealth greater than $1 million, according to the Global Wealth Report by Credit Suisse."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...ica/?sh=6db95839af28

Argue with Forbes.

999 million dollars is still a millionaire if you want to play that game. How much are all those millionaires worth?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
do you know the difference between a billionaire and a millionaire?

about a billion dollars

Actually, it's about $999 million, isn't it?

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Originally posted by wymple:
999 million dollars is still a millionaire if you want to play that game. How much are all those millionaires worth?

the least of them is worth more than you, yet still has ONE VOTE, close enough. weird, most of them vote dem -- so, shuddup, granma

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
do you know the difference between a billionaire and a millionaire?

about a billion dollars

Actually, it's about $999 million, isn't it?

that's pretty close to $1B, aint it? as in 00.1% difference

The point is that people get tax breaks from the government all the time for all kinds of different reasons. Almost all of them for political purposes. It's hypocritical to yap about student loan forgiveness while ignoring tax breaks given to billionaires, millionaires, partnerships, corporations, etc etc etc. Most of the folks that are the beneficiaries of this government largesse are republicans and that isn't even arguable.

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most of them vote dem

I would hope they are smart enough to not vote republican.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
do you know the difference between a billionaire and a millionaire?

about a billion dollars

Actually, it's about $999 million, isn't it?

that's pretty close to $1B, aint it? as in 00.1% difference

What are we arguing about? I'm not following?

i don't think we are arguing - btw, the beef rib was great - wish you had been there. My dog is chewing on the bone

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Originally posted by wymple:
Show me where I said it's not. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy. Tax breaks for billionaires to get huge campaign donations is the same thing in reality. Koch's don't spend their money foolishly.

So you obviously admit it’s a vote buying scheme……….

Hell, since we’re forgiving loans, how about car, home, and personal loans. Obviously they were taken out by people who couldn’t or WOULDNT pay them back. A cradle to grave welfare safety net.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i don't think we are arguing - btw, the beef rib was great - wish you had been there. My dog is chewing on the bone

I didn't realize you were sending me up. I was thinking you lived up near Sherman for some reason.

I hope your dog enjoys the bone.

And, we are arguing. All day long.

during most of the month, i am in irving - we can argue .. i'll buy you a beer or two to wet your whistle and make certain we can keep it up