Seems the russian army bombed his base with missiles and now he threatens to take 25000 soldiers to moscow.
Could end up being handbags at dawn. But its worth watching as he has been increasingly marginalised and he might feel this is his only chance at survival.

I hope this is correct!

https://twitter.com/wartransla.../1672329674729373696

And from the twitter page Tendar

quote:

The Rubicon has been crossed.

According Russian regime media “RIA” the FSB has opened a “criminal case against Prigozhin for calling an armed rebellion”.

Peskov also announces that Putin “has been informed”.

There is no coming back from this. Somebody is going to lose his head.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...478f754b013e9f&ei=35

Wagner chief launches coup against the Kremlin
Story by James Kilner • 45m ago

Note: This (first) video link was posted 1 hour ago, but I'm not sure this guy has the latest news.

(Also, I don't know how to post a link to the video at its start. So drag the timeline button under the video to the left back to the beginning if you choose to watch the whole thing.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R360sm8MA8&t=526s
Prigozhin: "we may lose not only Crimea, but everything"

Also -54 minutes ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMWjYTRkgfA

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Seems the russian army bombed his base with missiles and now he threatens to take 25000 soldiers to moscow.
Could end up being handbags at dawn. But its worth watching as he has been increasingly marginalised and he might feel this is his only chance at survival.

Woweee...Truman could fire McArthur but Prigozhin doesn't work for Putin.

quote:

but Prigozhin doesn't work for Putin.

He has most certainly NOT been operating independently from Putin, till now.

IMO, it's the same thing as if McArthur decided a coup was the solution to Truman.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...caafd481bae003&ei=15

Wagner Leader Declares War on Russian Military After Alleged Attack
Story by Jon Jackson • 4h ago

"We are 25,000 strong, and we are going to figure out why chaos is happening in Russia," Prigozhin announced in a message shared on Telegram. "Everyone else is free to join us." Yevgeny Prigozhin

According to Prigozhin, the tensions resulted in his troops being attacked on Friday by Russia's formal military forces.

After the alleged attack, Prigozhin said he's "declaring war on the Russian Ministry of Defense."

"PMC Wagner Commanders' Council made a decision: The evil brought by the military leadership of the country must be stopped," he said, according to a translation from the WarTranslated project. "Those who destroyed today our guys, who destroyed tens, tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers will be punished."

As soon as Putin decides the guy embarrasses him, which his claims about Putin being lied to on his war claims might well make, he will have some sort of health crisis… like getting poisoned or blown up.

I think Prigozhin has quite a bit of pull among the Russian soldiers, especially the young one whom have been enlisted to replace the dead veterans.
This has to be a major blow to Putin and further reveals the inept manner in which the war has been waged so far.

Shit has been thrown into the fan and a mess is sure to ensue. GOOD!!

And as an aside, Putin is not looking like such a genius, despite Trump’s assertions. I gues it takes an egomaniacal narcissist to know one.

I think maybe Prigozhin is not a genius either.

But Trump of course is a "very stable genius"!!!

Make this about Trump…

You’re all so reliable.

I don't know how big an impact this will end up having, but anything that comes from it is good for the Ukrainians. Lets hope Wagner and the Russian MOD have a major meltdown.

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:
Make this about Trump…

You’re all so reliable.

OK, as you wish.

Glad to oblige.

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:
Make this about Trump…

You’re all so reliable.

And for you, Denial is a river in Egypt. “Putin is a genius “. Sound familiar??

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I don't know how big an impact this will end up having, but anything that comes from it is good for the Ukrainians. Lets hope Wagner and the Russian MOD have a major meltdown.

Well, this is scary stuff because we can't predict shit about what will become of this.

The likelihood of an outcome that we will find favorable, overall, is a crap game.

Given the carnage so far, why is there reason for optimism?

This guy Prigozhin is just as much a monster as Putin.

And beside that, does anyone really think the general population of Russia (or N. Korea) is capable of directing the politics or governance towards anything less fucked up than they have known for a very long time?

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

but Prigozhin doesn't work for Putin.

He has most certainly NOT been operating independently from Putin, till now.

IMO, it's the same thing as if McArthur decided a coup was the solution to Truman.

Or maybe a clever ruse (nothing else about the Ukraine adventure has been clever).

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Given the carnage so far, why is there reason for optimism?

This guy Prigozhin is just as much a monster as Putin.

He is a monster, that is for sure, but he was a monster for hire.
The job he agreed to had certain caveats, guarantees if you will, that the Russians who hired him would support him and the men he has in his employ.
Russia has clearly not lived up to their end of the deal so maybe he is having a change of heart (if he has one…)

I don’t think Prigozhin is as much of a Russian nationalist as Putin thought. If he was, would Putin need to pay Wagner or the Belarusians to fight for Mother Russia? They would do it out of devotion or nationalist pride without compensation if they were.
The fact that Russia even had to employ mercenaries in the war against Ukraine is telling.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
I don't know how big an impact this will end up having, but anything that comes from it is good for the Ukrainians. Lets hope Wagner and the Russian MOD have a major meltdown.

Look Man, feel free to move a nation with a total of 5890 nuke warheads, (1675 deployed,) into your neighborhood and cheer for a failed state.

As for me and us,...no gracias.

The power vacuum in iraq was terrible, again, no gracias.

Yeah im not hoping for a national meltdown. Im just hoping that the two entities reduce each other and make Ukraines job of regaining its territory easier.
I have seen it opined that This could well be Putins method for laying blame on his failure in Ukraine On Shoigu/Prigozin thereby focusing the countries ire on them and allowing himself to retain power should Ukraine regain its territories.
Thats not a terrible option.

I think US intelligence is foreseeing a long war....

https://www.mississippivalleyp...31-33dfd434e742.html

Putin rings Joe Biden.

"No, No Listen Joe. I need a ride, Not bullets!"

Poetic justice!

Wouldn't be neat to see them drag Putin into Red Square and shoot the bastard?

I know, it is not going to happen.

Bush and Cheney are living in glorious luxury, and I bet Putin will too.

There is no justice in this world!'

I wish we had the old Viking execution.

Blood Eagled!

I honestly think whether Putin lives or dies comes in last place too getting the killing stopped in Ukraine. If this latest twist makes that happen even a day sooner, then its a good thing. Im holding my breath.

Lukashenkos jet has touched down in Turkey. No one knows where he is.
Could it be he knows more about the situation In Russia than is common knowledge and has fled?

Interesting turn of events, and one that some Ukraine bloggers were speculating about a few days ago.

Apparently his tanks are on the road to Moscow!

https://news.yahoo.com/prigozh...itary-052317891.html

Prigozhin claims to have taken control of military targets in Rostov and be heading for Moscow

Sat, June 24, 2023 at 1:23 AM EDT

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...r-silent/ar-AA1cYOoh

Chechen Warlord Declares Putin Loyalty, but PM and Moscow Mayor Silent
Story by Brendan Cole • 58m ago

(excerpt)

However, two Russian commentators speculated on Saturday about why Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin had not yet backed Putin.

Konstantin Sonin, a Russian-born political economist at the University of Chicago, tweeted that even after several hours "the total disappearance of prime-minister Mishustin, the Moscow mayor Sobyanin, and other Putin's underlings is a bad sign for Putin."

"They fear him, but they wish him out," he added.

Russian journalist and political scientist Yevgenia Albats tweeted "there is a split at the very top as to how to resolve the Prigozhin crisis. Putin is saying all tough words, but he prefers no action. Those who do want action, the (Security Council chief Nikolai) Patrushev type, are incapable (of) making a decision."

"Those who may become actors or even benefactors like Mishustin & Sobyanin sit on fences, waiting to see who will win," she added, "it is a state of profound uncertainty."

Belarusian news outlet Nexta has reported that Mishustin's plane "has left for St. Petersburg. Several other business jets are also on their way to Russia's northern capital. In addition, the richest member of the government, Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov, has already left the country."

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a9909099ea52f8&ei=18

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a9909099ea52f8&ei=20

Wagner rebellion LIVE: Russian helicopters ‘open fire’ on Wagner troops, says witness, as Putin vows to crush ‘mutiny’
Story by Matt Watts and Sami Quadri • 7m ago

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...742a9ae9d968fc&ei=33

Prigozhin vows to ‘end’ Shoigu, FSB charges Wagner with ‘inciting insurrection’ – updated

Updated at 06:13 a.m. – The Mayor of Moscow, Sergey Sobyanin, told Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti that "anti-terrorist measures" are being carried out in the city, including introducing checkpoints on the roads.

Rostov governor Vasili Golubev advised civilians to avoid downtown Rostov-on-Don.

"In connection with the current situation, I ask you to refrain from traveling to the city center and, if possible, not to leave your homes," he wrote in another Telegram post.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...742a9ae9d968fc&ei=36

Kremlin order arrest of Wagner leader as he announces war on Russia
Story by Claire Anderson • Yesterday 8:00 PM

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...742a9ae9d968fc&ei=77

Prigozhin, the mercenary chief urging an uprising against Russia's generals, has long ties to Putin
Story by By ELLEN KNICKMEYER, Associated Press • Yesterday 9:19 PM

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I not the least bit mad nor sad.
I do worry on WWI something similar happened w a general turning his army around during the Lenin uprising. No one knows if he was marching to side the Leninist or relieve the Government. However, it created enough uncertainty and fear that the Bolsheviks secured power.

Would China mobilize to keep Putin in power? This, presenting a question to the West to demand China not put troops in Russia.

I think China will sit by and let this play out. In fact, I'd think that Xi is attempting to keep Putin calm during this as not to be an example for the next social uprising in China or it's own territory.
It's not as though the entire world hasn't witnessed the incapacity of Putin and Russia on display the last couple of years.

The more pressing and important question, in my mind, is - what if Prigozhin succeeds in ousting the top military officers?
Not sure his aim is to oust Putin and if Putin comes to terms with Prigozhin, and gives him official power to wage the war as he wants, then Ukraine is in an even worse predicament than ever before.
If he is allowed and equipped to run the military as he wants, it's almost certain that Ukraine will be defeated...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ee2b59f63cbed3&ei=10

Putin's plane reportedly departs from Moscow to Valdai, disappears from radars – media
Story by Віра Олійник • 1h ago

I am now more than a bit concerned about chemical warfare and nukes, now that it's "an internal matter"

Seems to me Putin should have stayed home just rattling sabres to begin with. His power grab gone wrong will at least send some needed signals to certain others around the world.

Well, it looks like ONE thing is for certain.

The Wagner Group mercenaries are no longer useful tools for Putin's carnage on Ukraine.

Now he has to worry about his own carnage.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...90130268e40622&ei=61

Russia is on the verge of total disintegration, as local elites scramble for an escape
Story by Daniel Hannan • 3h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...f028fcda06e8e8c&ei=7

Russian Media Reports 'Tanks on the Streets' as Putin Shows Real 'Fear'
Story by Thomas Kika • 1h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...028fcda06e8e8c&ei=53

Five empty planes from Russia arrive in Belarus
Story by Ukrainska Pravda • 1h ago

Where is Eric Prince when you need him!

That guy has learned the art of clandestine the hard way, although naturally gifted.

If he is as smart and prepared as I think he is, we will never know he's there, or anywhere, or nowhere, but the results will speak for themselves and serve as his resume to his next client.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...90130268e40622&ei=68

Prigozhin lied about lack of shells, stockpiling ammunition for two months – Gulagu.net
Story by Ukrainska Pravda • 6h ago