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Reviewed in this thread (#58, rated B). Not all that great. Friendly people, tho. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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No. Hatfield's is on market street (I believe) between business and bypass 35. | |||
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Texas is truly BBQ heaven, mostly I credit that to Mesquite. I guess Lockheart is as good as it gets, but I've eaten a ton of good BBQ all over Texas..Some of those roadside shacks in East Texas have some awesome BBQ.. I really like a bun with slabs of shoulder "outside cut", that's the black crust, with BBQ sauce and a slab of onion, hard to beat, but a plate full of outside cut is always wonderful. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Best restaurant in US? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it....Gotta try it though.
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I used to really like the roadside barbacoa places where they cooked it in a pit under a sheet of tin. (For the Yankees and Europeans here, I should specify that "barbacoa" is the whole head of a cow -- brains, eyeballs and all -- its great, trust me). It's generally eaten in a taco with a corn tortilla, with cilantro and onion. Then came marriage, kids, mad cow and I can't do that anymore. But barbacoa is awesome, especially for breakfast, especially after a hangover. I guess that's why you could find it in the roadside places on Sunday. | |||
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Any barbecue joint in CA is likely to get a ton of Yelp votes. CA is the home of overpriced restaurants where you leave hungry. | |||
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If the creek don't rise, I am scheduled to eat Q at the Shrine of Franklin's next Saturday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Wanna have the biggest pit?
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Last trip home, Boerne, I had lean brisket from Klein's Meat in town. I have bought meat from them and have had deer processed as well but did not realize they sold BBQ to go. The best brisket I have ever had. | |||
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My daughter, Anne, and two of her roommates stood in line from 8 AM (there were about 20-25 people in front of them, who obviously had gotten in line before 8 o'clock) until they received their orders just before 12 noon at..... 85) Franklin Barbecue, 900 East 11th Street, Austin, TX 78702 (Open Tues-Sun 11 AM until sold out, usually before 2....in the 5 years or so that Franklin's has been open they have NEVER not sold out, pretty amazing really, and even more so to me now that I've tried it)Rated as number 1 by Texas Monthly and widely considered to be the current best Q in Texas, and thus , the world by numerous reviewers, but not this one. My overall rating B+++ Note: I have lowered the rating one notch because, after thinking about it, and tasting some other superior Q, I believe the lesser quality of the brisket is not deserving of an A level rating. We had planned this assault like a battle campaign. Just as a fallback, I had arranged to eat at my son's house/apartment about 3 minutes drive from Franklin's and my good friend and fellow Qphile and his daughter came from Ft. Worth to join us. I called Anne about 9 and asked her if she had enough money. She said, "Why sure, Daddy, I've got about $150 or my (limited) credit card." I laughed and said, "Not nearly enough. I'll bring you some.", so I swung by and gave her $400. I then drove over to my son's house to await developments while watching him clean up. I should have taken pictures, his cleaning house is a rare event (not unusual for 4 college guys living in one place). We hoped to actually eat inside Franklin's but a phone recon with Anne as she got inside said there just wasn't any table that would work very well for our group of 7 so we fell back on plan B to bring it over to Adam's house. In the interim, by phone I instructed Anne and her roommates on about how much to order and they bought a whole brisket, about 6 1/2 pounds, 5 pounds of pork ribs, about 5 1/2 pounds of beef ribs (only available on Saturdays AFAIK) and about 3 pounds of Franklin's self described beef and pork sausage. She burned up my $400, the total being something over $380. Franklin's AFAIK has by far the most expensive Q in Texas at $20/lb for brisket, $17lb for pork ribs, $12 for sausage, and I am not sure on the price for the beef ribs.She arrived at Adam's place in just a few minutes with a large Q smelling box. All the Q was wrapped either in butcher's paper or foil, or both for the ribs. It was uncut, so my Qphile buddy from Ft. Worth and I did the honors. It all looked good on the outside, the beef ribs being really black, the brisket very dark, but not as smoky as the beef ribs, and the pork ribs were a bit redder. Delicious appearance. It was all I could do not to sample the first couple of slices, but first, we served the ladies, who had sacrificed their time in the cold for the feast. The pork ribs were sliced first, then the beef ribs, then the brisket and finally the sausage. My reactions were slightly different than the crowd, 5 of which were experienced Q eaters. I thought the pork ribs were ever so slightly better than the beef ribs. Great flavor, tender but not too much so, and just a truly great rib. The beef ribs, which were the crowd's almost unanimous choice as best were really fine too. The problem is, except for my Qphile buddy and Adam, most of them had not had really quality beef ribs before so their judging was not as on point as it might have been IMO. Both were excellent, and I could not put up any serious resistance to anyone who thought the beef ribs were the better of the two. Unfortunately, the brisket, the star of Texas Q, was just not up to the other two main meats. It was very good, but several of us, who had tried some other fine Q joints, were unanimous in that it was just not as good as Snow's, Pecan Lodge, or Louie Mueller to name a few. Don't misunderstand, it was a very fine brisket, but #1 in Texas....not really all that close. For one thing, and when you're in the best in the world category, this is important, it was SLIGHTLY overcooked. Not badly, but still obvious. The rub was very good and, interestingly, had very little of the heavy salt flavor that tends to be the main factor in much of Central Texas Q rub. Fine Q but not near the best. The sausage was decent, not terribly fatty, but in no way was it outstanding, very little of it was eaten. Most people took a bit to try it and went back to the other meats. Not bad, but not worth ordering at $12/lb IMO. They included a loaf of bread with order, some onions and pickles in another container, and 2 containers of Q sauce. One supposedly spicier than the other. Both tomato based, and both completely forgetable. My Q buddy and I were both surprised that the sauces were so poor for the reputation of the joint. I mean, we understand that sauce is not necessary for fine Q, but IF I was going to serve it, and IF I was considered the best or near best, I would do a better job on the sauce. After eating, we polled the crowd and most thought the beef ribs were #1, pork ribs #2, and the brisket was a fairly distant #3 on everyone's list. My daughter, who was given a couple of pieces of Franklins Q the week before, said the brisket she had then was better. Maybe so, but I have to report on what we had in front of us. All in all, a fine Q eating experience, but worth waiting in line hours for (not to mention driving 5 1/2 hours for me and 4 hours for my buddy from Ft. Worth).....get real. Not even close. If someone told me I could get it in 30 minutes, I'd say "NO", 15 minutes?, sure, for the ribs primarily. In sum, very fine Q, but worth the ridiculous number of hours in line to get it? Not no, but Hell NO!!! But you never know until you go. We've been. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I'm surprised they can get anybody to wait in line that long. Still maybe you hit it on an off day. | |||
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Possibly, but I'll never find out unless someone else brings it to me and, unless they decide to do it on their own, that won't be my kids, even if it was better it is still brisket, and not worth the wait. EVER. Besides if you're Number 1, then having off days is not really on since then you would become a contender, not the champion of Q. I can go a few miles away to Stiles Switch and get as good of a product with better seating and draught beer with usually no or minimal waiting. There are others in the area too, but since I haven't personally tried them, I'll wait until I can report personally. Or, I can drive 35 mi or so one way and leisurely eat at Louie Mueller's, which I think is the best I've tried overall, with beef ribs to die for, and drive back using less time than I'd spend in line at Franklin's. The whole Franklin's experience reminds me of "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds." xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yea. Of all the places to wait half a day for barbecue Austin might make the least sense. I haven't been there in a few years, but there were several great places to go with no wait. I seem to recall being happy with County Line, Ironworks and some takeout place in an old gas station. I'd rather do a road trip to Luling than wait all day in line. Next time I'm there I want to try Muellers. | |||
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Pizzatolas Houston. Lavaca is spot on w/ his assement here ! The gf and I gave up eating pork ribs at Q joints due to our local cook and being disappointed. Pizzatolas was well worth the trip ! 3 of us had a full meal lunch w/ ribs, brisket and sausage. I have to be in Houston fof med reasons and will make Pizzatolas a regular stop in the future. The ribs were primo ! The brisket damn good and service Texas friendly ! Thanks for the tip Lavaca ! | |||
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Having completed our work for the day, my Ft. Worth Q buddy and I found ourselves fairly close to Lockhart's so we decided to give it another try. I am happy to report that it was substantially better this time than the last. We ordered a couple of pounds of pork ribs, a couple of pounds of brisket, and one beef rib ($19.99). The beef rib was on the daily bulletin board so am not sure if they are available all the time or not. I suppose because it was the end of the rack the cutter generously gave us two ribs. With the exception of one spot on one pork rib, the overdose of salt used in the rub was not there this trip. All the meats were very edible. We rated the beef ribs best, the brisket a somewhat distant second, and the pork ribs, as on the first trip, while a very solid product, were not on the same level as the beef. One of their advertising sayings is "No Sauce" but customer demand made them cave in on that one. So, for the record, we tried it. Tomato based, sweet, very slightly spicy. Very average, but better than Franklin's. We tried the Kruez slaw, very good, and the habanero mac and cheese (fairly warm), and good. All in all, I am raising the rating by one + to B+++ Very good and flirting with an "A" rating but the ribs are just not quite up to that level. Some misguided Q eaters are rating this joint as the best in Dallas.....ummmm, not even close. Hint: Pecan Lodge xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I bought a new place in SW Texas and made a run down there to learn a bit more about it on the ground. 600 miles one way, so I left Sat afternoon, and, due to the weather, cut it a bit short and left Monday afternoon on a slightly longer route so as to return by Houston/Pearland the next morning so I could try.... #86) Killen's Barbecue, 3613 E. Broadway (a couple of blocks E of Hwy. 35 (Telephone Rd), Pearland, Tx. Open Tues-Sun 11-until meat is sold out. This joint has only been open a year but is making a name for itself in the Q world. My overall rating A-- I"ll complete this later. It's been snowing like a SOB (biggest flakes I've ever seen, the size of a silver dollar) here all morning and I have to go feed my cattle. Later is now: I arrived about 10:40 after negotiating miles of Houston's traffic, which was surprisingly reasonable, better than DFW and, for sure, the hellhole that is Austin's traffic. So, being a balmy 35 degrees, the crowd in line was short, and I took a ticket (yes, they have numbered tickets, great idea and first time I've seen this at a Q joint) and I was number 20. Doors opened promptly at 11 and I squeezed inside out of the cold. Nice joint inside. It was one year old to the day. Ron Killen. who has a very successful steakhouse in Pearland, decided that he could do Q too. He told Franklin that he was "coming after him" and he is and has done a great job, being better overall IMO. I ordered a panoply of the menu to go, only skipping the pulled pork, which is fine on sandwiches but doesn't do much for me as Q solo. Order was 2 pounds of brisket, beef ribs, pork ribs, and bone in pork belly (now that was as new one to me and damn good!), plus a pound of smoked turkey and a link of the jalapeno sausage. My first comment is that, unlike most joint's products, I had a very difficult time picking my favorite. They were all VERY high quality. However, nothing really jumped out and said "This is the best I've ever had." BUT the meats were ALL damn fine eating. The turkey was surprisingly good, basically sliced breast meat that had a nice rub and smoke flavor. I'm not the biggest turkey fan, preferring my wife's roasted about once or twice a year, however this was a very fine product. It will make great sandwiches, but they sliced it pretty thick. If I was going to use it for sandwiches, I'd think just a bit thinner would be better. Just ask. Everybody was friendly and efficient, giving individual attention to each order. My worst mistake was only getting a link (small, I'd guess 4 ounces) to try of the jalapeno flavored sausage. OUTSTANDING and I am not a sausage fan. At least you could actually tell it had some heat in it from the peppers, which is more than most "jalapeno" sausages can say. For my tastes it could have been hotter, but that would make it too hot for the majority of patrons. They have a regular sausage as well, and if I'm ever back, I'll try that as well. The pork products, ribs and bone in pork belly (no bone, they slice it off), were very fine. The ribs had a rub that had a distinct but not overpowering sweet base. As I've mentioned before, I'm not a big fan of sweet rubs, but this was more like a line, not the whole song. Damn fine eating. The pork belly was, not surprisingly, since it is where bacon comes from, very fatty. Again, really fine, but I think many people would be turned off by the 60% or so of fat. You can slice it off, even with a fork, and have more meat and less fat. Even at that, the cholestrol count would probably be off the charts. I suppose that I am just a beef fan, because most of the time, I think the beef Q is better than the pork. This was no exception, and both the ribs and the brisket were excellent. I, of course, ordered the fatty brisket cut, lean available, but why? After multiple tastings, I'd probably prefer the brisket by a razor's edge. Excellent with a rub that includes quite a bit of cracked pepper. One piece of the ribs had enough salt that it was noticeable, but not obnoxiously so. Finally, I asked for cupfuls of the THREE sauces they have. Tangy, Sweet, and Coffee. All were tomato based (I think, coffee was not obvious) fairly thin, and, really unusual for me, I thought they were all damn good. I think I preferred the tangy, which was more spicy, than hot, but my wife liked the sweet, which was not cloying at all. The coffee was a bit different, but also very tasty. It's very rare that a joint does so many Q items so well, but Killen's pulls it off in style. Certainly in the top 5 in the state IMO, and, has a good shot at being Number ONE (but, of course, they are outside of the "preferred" Q arena around Austin, which has a built in prejudice, otherwise, why the crowds at Franklin's). I'll have to go back and try my fave, Louie Mueller's (it's been too long, a couple of years since I was there) and a couple of others again but Killen's is damn sure in the running. IMO substantially BETTER than Franklin's. WELL Worth the trip if you're in the area (Pearland is about 16 miles South of downtown Houston). Unfortunately, due to my general reaction to Houston's population and traffic, I doubt I'll be back anytime soon but REALLY GOOD Q. Very Highly Recommended and I might go back to try his steakhouse, because if his Q is this good, I really wanna try one of his steaks. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Texas Killartist: Glad you enjoyed it. It seems you agree with me. The ribs are top notch; the brisket is very good; the sausage is, well, it's sausage. Still one of my favorite places in Houston. | |||
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I'll have to try that next time I'm there even though it is out of the way for me. Getting consistency across all of the products seems to be the biggest hurdle for a q joint. | |||
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Mike, That's true, but Pizzatolas has been a Houston institution for years, as described in the December Houston Chronicle article. Frankly, I'd just order ribs. | |||
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Pizzatolas is definitely on my list for next time. Since I only go to Houston on business time is short and the locals usually pick the spot. They've done well so far, but I want to try some new places. They like Goode & Co. and a couple steak houses that were really good. | |||
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Regulation coming? http://finance.yahoo.com/video...crack-213554973.html Sounds funny, but who knows. There are parts of New Mexico (and probably other States) where even though you have a wood burning fireplace you are not allowed to burn wood. | |||
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Was in Texas last weekend for some work stuff, sxsw and looking at real estate in Ft Worth. Country Line, Austin - went with a group that ordered a ton of food. Excellent stuff including the chicken wings. Lockhart in Dallas - had the sausage and brisket - Excellent. The potato salad sucked - should have got something else - it was terrible. Not BBQ but went to Mi Dia (DFW/Grapevine) for Mexican - beyond excellent. The wait was terribly long on a Monday night but the Micheladas made up for it. Mike | |||
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I've never tried County Line and probably won't since there are many other places in Austin I would prefer I also rarely get any of the side at Q joints, most of them can cook Q and the sides are usually pretty commercial. There are exceptions, but not many. Mi Dia, OTOH, is a real treasure and is becoming more and more popular as the word spreads. Their New Mexico Tampiquena Steak is absolutely fantastic. The whole place ain't cheap, but it is damn sure worth it. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Well Charlie,got the word from my son in Austin that the city council is trying to shut down the BBQ places unless they have air controlled dept. stacks installed so that no one can smell the smoke.Hell.whats the point!!!?Is there anyone out there that does NOT love that smell (at least from Texas) Franklin has already said he would shut his doors + others as well. This is total yankee bullshit tactic tacked on to the non-smoking ordinance. I love Austin but I am getting really pissed about how the out of towners are destroying our fair city. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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That is a disaster. The old Austin I remember is long gone. Without Q I can't see much of a reason for me to ever go back. | |||
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I saw a blurb about that on the Dallas TV News. I don't think it will happen but it has happened in other places. The costs of those smoke controls would put most Q joints out of business and CERTAINLY would prevent new ones from starting up. OTOH how many "out of towners" are on the Austin City Council. None would be my bet, but I don't know. They've been listening to all those non-business people at UT way too long. They've already passed an ordnance against plastic grocery bags. My guess is that paper bags cost more and cause more environmental damage in their production than plastic. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I don't know how many are on the city council, but I interact with more and more people in the Allen / McKinney area that have lived in Texas less than five years. We're being overrun. They move here because we have jobs. They love Texas, then do everything they can to change it. | |||
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Austin is probably the most politically liberal of any large city in Texas. The grid lock that is present in the East West direction is due to the city's refusal to build new east-west roadways. Hwy 71 even with the improvements cannot handle the traffic flow. The refusal to build, as I understand it, is based on ecological concerns. I won't be surprised if such an ordinance is in fact passed. It will be a sad day if it happens. "Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain | |||
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Aren't there two types of barbecue in Texas? The Czech style and the cowboy style? I can't remember the difference. I just refreshed my memory and Czech style is cooked over indirect heat. I assume you guys are talking about the other kind since Czech style is limited to a few counties east of Austin. | |||
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Slow Smoked (indirect heat). The only true BBQ. or Direct Heat (can be good) but never first rate If that doesn't stir things up. I'll be surprised. "Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain | |||
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I would say that Austin is by far the most liberal city in Texas. Seems like everybody works for UT, Texas, IRS, NCUA or is from CA. | |||
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Thanks for the Yankee insight direct from Northeast Austin (Pennsylvania). I smell another infiltrator. | |||
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LOL I have a lot of family in Austin and went to UT so I know a little about the place. My cousin ran for city council in the 70s and lost to some clown lefty so I am inclined to suspect the worst. Of course that mayor they have in Houston is some indication I could be full of it. | |||
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Is this an example of the goverment building business again? | |||
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I think Mike's pretty much right about Austin. The last time, and this was some time ago, I was asked to monitor a trial in Austin and try to get it settled, I arrived the day after jury selection, so I had no input on that. There were 3 pony tails on the jury -- men with pony tails. While they might not be an automatic strike for me, I certainly would want to question them during jury selection. There was a guy on the front row of the jury box that was he spitting image of Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead, down to the tye-died T-shirt. My first question to defense counsel was "Who the hell did you strike?" Austin is a different world from the rest of Texas. That's for sure. | |||
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I had an interesting TRO hearing in Travis County (Austin) against TPW. They brought in AG lawyers. The judge ruled against us, but all the neutral spectators believed we had the argument won. Texas is much different than the rest of the Union, but Austin ain't real Texas anymore. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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To paraphrase David Allen Coe: If that ain't Austin I'll kiss your ass. "Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain | |||
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When people ask me how I liked living in Texas, I tell them I don't know, I lived in Austin. | |||
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xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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