I posted this on the European forum, but all hunters should be concerned:

Today's Wall Street Journal has a front page story about a voter referendum in Switzerland - this referendum will decide if each canton in the country will have to hire animal lawyers.

Some nut named Antoine Goetschel sued a fisherman for catching a pike, alledging animal cruelty.

Not good news for hunters, or taxpayers. After all, I imagine if the law passes, the lawyer could file suit against a weasel for killing a mouse.

Dumb. Until we all stop eating meat, animals have no rights. And I don't think the day is coming anytime soon we stop eating meat.

Wow...

My new mantra...SAVE THE SPINACH! WE MUST NO LONGER DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PLANT LIFE!

Y'think figuring out ways to hang on to the billions of $$$ the Nazis put into bank accounts there and the vaults full of jewelry, paintings, etc; they are "holding" for the 3rd Reich to make their comeback is causing brain damage?

Rich

No, Idaho, I don't think that, actually. What I do think is that there are azzhats everyehere. Switzerland is no more immune than Idaho, or Tennessee.

Like the poor, azzhats will always be with us.

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Until we all stop eating meat, animals have no rights. And I don't think the day is coming anytime soon we stop eating meat.

This is the reason I always call their movement "Vegetarian Rights" rather than "Animal Rights". That in fact is what this is about and it's far more accurate in terms of where it's going.

Many times half the battle is gaining the upper hand in framing the issue.

Then they'll start on the Veggies!

There are two large organizations that protect our hunting and shooting freedoms....
SCI and NRA
If you are not a member of both, shame on you.

I've said this before here but I guess it doesn't hurt to repeat it - if you want to have a little fun with a vegetarian just ask if they can name history's all time most famous vegetarian. Hint - he had a German name.

You can also ask if they've heard of Green Bones Syndrome. I understand that forensic pathologists can identify the body of someone who was a vegetarian by seeing if the bones have a greenish tint.

What won't work in a discussion with them is to point out that humans are born predators - the forward looking eyes for focusing on prey (unlike prey animals' sideways looking eyes), the differences in hearing, the nails/claws and canines. This is using reason which won't work with these people. The real young ones won't be able to follow it and the older ones will say "that's what we're trying to rise above".

One fellow I know resorted to bribery. His daughter returned from college a vegetarian and refused to eat the pot roast dinner she used to love. He offered to pay her $100 if she would totally drop the veggie nonsense while home, and she agreed.

Like a lot of other propaganda, the whole "Hitler was a vegetarian" thing gets pretty twisted up and you have to do a bit of research to get to what really was the situation.

The fact was that he liked to eat meat, and did so at the beginning of the war. When he started getting his azz kicked everywhere he started having more and more trouble eating the rich stuff he liked earlier on in life. At the end, he couldn't even stomach butter in anything but that is a far stretch from saying he was a vegetarian just because he'd puke if he ate a sausage.

Try this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism

And if the link appears incorrect, type in hitler vegetarian and it will take you there.

It's well written, fair and balanced.

It discusses both views and leaves no doubt whatsoever that Hitler was a life long enthusiastic and passionate vegetarian.

The contra view came along way later and was put forward as a political defense by those with a vegetarian agenda to counter the Hitler stigma. And they didn't do a very good job of it.

I've also read of it in Wm. Shirer's "Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" which is the preeminent work on Nazi Germany. In it he describes Hitler's referring to beef broth as "corpse tea". A.H. frowned on those around him eating meat products and extolled what to him were the virtues of this practice.

So feel free to point it out to vegetarians. It's the truth. Of course, not that most young ones today will probably have ever heard of Hitler. It's hard to make the point that this is an unnatural practice performed by, not surprisingly, an unnatural individual to a generation that doesn't know what you're talking about.

On a more personal note, I once visited Lake Sylvan Lodge in the Black Hills, and they had buffalo burgers on the menu. I hadn't tried this before but always wanted to. So I say to the waitress I've heard buffalo is really good and have looked forward to trying a buff burger in the great American West, and how are they. Her answer brought the whole experience back down to earth, "I wouldn't know, I'm from New York and I'm a vegetarian".

Anyway, the remark about computers I can't disagree with.