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Grenadier, has a problem. He caused the problem by getting too involved in the BULL SHIT that is the Crater! ...Simple fact is, he got too damned involved in the Political Discussions in the Crater and did not realize I guess, that political and religious arguments are based on 90%+ emotion.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:

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Grenadier, has a problem. He caused the problem by getting too involved in the BULL SHIT that is the Crater! ...Simple fact is, he got too damned involved in the Political Discussions in the Crater and did not realize I guess, that political and religious arguments are based on 90%+ emotion.

Problem? No, I do not have a problem. I did get involved in the Political Forum because it was a place of interesting discourse, sometimes even funny, and reflections on worldwide current events. I was a very active participant for several years and I was, and am, absolutely not naive to the content and personalities it can draw out. I simply tired of that forum when it turned into nothing but insults, pages of posts of unrelated pictures and links, and voluminous redundant postings not made to discuss or inform but made to silence any dissent.

I well know that political discussions invoke lots of emotion. Big deal. But, what little discussion there is in the PF becomes overwhelmed by off topic span, vile personal insults, and trolling. There was a time such behavior was not tolerated and the instigators were banished. That time has past and self serving instigators from all sides of the issues now bury the discourse of others in a mountain of dribble and trash. That is what I tired of and that is why I left. I have no interest there anymore, and I have no "problem".

I am not trying to get Saeed to do anything. Nevertheless, we will continue to hear Randle tell me and others over and over again that this is Saeed's website to do with as he wishes. Nobody here is ignorant of that fact. Perhaps he just likes saying it.

Truth be told, while Saeed proudly espouses a forum where no person is censured he has unwittingly created a forum where the fastest, most repetitious, least relevant content posters censure whoever they want. There is less free discourse now than there was in days past. That's because it gets silenced by bully spamming and name calling.

Meanwhile, as Randle himself has pointed out, the sour atmosphere of the Political Forum is souring the rest of AR and Accurate Reloading continues to morph away from what it once was and into the new political sewer it is fast becoming.

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That time has past and self serving instigators from all sides of the issues now bury the discourse of others in a mountain of dribble and trash. That is what I tired of and that is why I left. I have no interest there anymore, and I have no "problem".

At least you recognise and admit that people on ALL sides/political ideologies are involved.

I am not trying to get Saeed to do anything. Nevertheless, we will continue to hear Randle tell me and others over and over again that this is Saeed's website to do with as he wishes. Nobody here is ignorant of that fact. Perhaps he just likes saying it.

If you are NOT trying to get Saeed to do something, why are you still complaining? You have grown tired of how the place has degraded in your opinion, why not simply move on, take 6 months off then check back in. As far as my reminding folks, if you and others can constantly complain about things not running the way you would like them too, I am going to remind folks that no one is forced to join the site. I ain't taking up for Saeed, he is quite good at doing that himself, I just get tired of whiners simply not just moving on with life. If this site or any other no longer gives a person the experience they are wanting, move on to something else quit agonizing over it.

Truth be told, while Saeed proudly espouses a forum where no person is censured he has unwittingly created a forum where the fastest, most repetitious, least relevant content posters censure whoever they want. There is less free discourse now than there was in days past. That's because it gets silenced by bully spamming and name calling.

Ignore their comments, talk around them, go to PM's if it is that important.

Meanwhile, as Randle himself has pointed out, the sour atmosphere of the Political Forum is souring the rest of AR and Accurate Reloading continues to morph away from what it once was and into the new political sewer it is fast becoming.

It is not just AR, the internet as a whole has gotten very abusive toward those using it, especially the "Social" end of it and sites like this one. The main problem you and others on here have is Edmond. But the fact that, especially in the Crater, some folks really aren't all that supportive of Free Speech, unless it meshes with their own personal narrative.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

Grenadier, I feel sure that you are a good person and from reading comments/responses you have made in areas outside of the Crater, you have a lot of knowledge to share, but at this point in time this site seems to be causing you discomfort and if for no other reason, your concerns over its situation is something that you know is not going to change in the foreseeable future.

Take a break and check back in in a few weeks or months, because it is causing you a problem. If not, you would have simply walked away when you lost the bet and said To HELL with the place.

R A N D A L L - At least try to spell it correctly

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Originally posted by larrys:
I still never saw the comparison between different years for the same period. Sort of like global warming, make the numbers say what you want without the larger frame of reference. Is this normal for the first part of a year? You never answered the question. What were the last three years like?

Oh, I get it...you just spouting off with no past information. OK.

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Originally posted by TomP:
ARPF serves its purpose, keeps the other forums pretty much clear of cheerleading and vitriol. Salud.

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I do wish it would return to its old ways but that is simply a desire, not discomfort.

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The Passing of a Once Great Hunting and Shooting Forum - the Obsolescence of AR

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The AHF is dull nowadays...

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting: Because it is merely an expansion of the
QUOTE: The Passing of a Once Great Hunting and Shooting Forum - the Obsolescence of AR thread. It can be readily seen, both are directed at the same concept, the belief among some members that Accurate Reloading is suffering its "Death Throes"! All one has to do is read the responses/comments that have been made in both discussions, and in a similar discussion in the African Hunting Forum, QUOTE: The AHF is dull nowadays... and the tie-ins are readily apparent. Accurate Reloading, or at least sections of it have changed for various reasons and whether or not those changes are going to have a lasting effect or not remains to be seen.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I do wish it would return to its old ways but that is simply a desire, not discomfort.

Do you honestly believe that you are the only one that feels that way?????????

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I do wish it would return to its old ways but that is simply a desire, not discomfort.

Do you honestly believe that you are the only one that feels that way?????????