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I apologize for my comments and hope all is well. I always thought that anyone can say anything they want, but it takes a man to say he is wrong, and I appear to be. General Boddington, thank you for your service to our country and the Corps. | |||
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General Boddington, We are honored to have your presence here. If you read these forums you will find that from time to time someone will take a snide pot shot at you. Pay no attention to it, the poster is invariable motivated by jealousy of both of your impressive and illustrious careers. Just remember Albert Einstein's words, "Great spirits are often met with violent opposition from mediocre minds." | |||
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quote:Have a great hunt, you'll love it!!!! I'm off to Namibia later this week with my 17-year-old daughter, she as shooter, me as observer. What a switch. And don't ever hesitate to nail me at a show or wherever. Best, Craig | |||
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dwhunter: I agree with you about showing respect for the man. That's why there is not one disparaging word about him in what I wrote. He is a fellow lefty and a fellow Marine. Heck, I've read and/or bought everything he has written. If someone were to call me a fan, I would not deny it. But, to fall all over ourselves and fawn over the man...how about a little self-respect? That's what I was getting at. Mikelravy: RSY = my initials. Initials are a lot quicker to type, that's why I use them. Anyone with a few brain cells to rub together and a phone book could find me if they so desired. What about you? I couldn't find you in the book in Warren, PA. What, number unlisted??? Now, there's a gutsy move!!! RSY [ 07-29-2003, 21:49: Message edited by: RSY ] | |||
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quote:Heck, no! He looks like a good old red-headed freckle-faced white-boy like me! Regardless of any 'smack talk', I'll continue to enjoy what this modern day world travelling hunter has to say. And, a word of thanks to Mr. Boddington: The 'College' angle might come in handy in a few years for my two Little Princesses...that's a good one! | |||
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quote:Wismon; I agree that all posters should be treated with politness and respect. However, I don't think that even Gen. Boddington thinks he can walk on water. I know he can't with your nose in his Ass. What is with some of the members here who either hate and disparage anybody who has done more than them or look at them as some sort of Gods? | |||
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Craig B: As a fellow left hand shooter I'd LOVE to own your rifle. I saw it for sale on the Cabela's site a while back. I have seen and read about it in many of your books. I really like your two books regarding Big game rifles for America and Africa. And I also have like your book regarding accuracy. There is a lot to learn from all of them. Welcome to the forums. I hope that you stay and contribute to the topics. Would you consider an installment plan!? | |||
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I personally think we are lucky to have people with the experience of Craig Boddington and Ray Atkinson on this forum. Reading their posts reflects what Gentlemen they must truly be in real life. Craig ( since you prefer that) Welcome to the forum and thank you for just 'being one of the boys'. I think we all owe each other that respect, celebrity or not. And as far as a rifle for $8,000.00, I would like to see a show of hands of anyone in here who would not take 8 grand for a rifle if he could get it! Anyone with 8 grand to spend on a rifle, I have a couple of safes with 50 rifles. For 8 grand, take your pick and of course the scope is included!!! | |||
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Craig, I bet you could trade that rifle to Kyler for about 100 pig hunts. He is always looking for a new rifle Tim | |||
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Mickey1, I think you just illustrated Mr. Einstein's point. | |||
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Wismon Actually, I think that you illustrated mine. I have dealt with many men and women who have earned their fame and reputations for 30 years and to a one I don't think that any enjoy sycophants or kiss asses. Rather they treat people like that with scorn and ridicule. They are just people and should be treated as such. Gen Boddington deserves to be treated as anyone else, not disparaged, not deified but accepted for his knowledge and opinions. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with anyone here. (except me, of course) [ 07-30-2003, 22:02: Message edited by: Mickey1 ] | |||
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No Mickey1, what you call "ass-kissing" I call proper respect for someone who has accomplished much. It's also called manners. Is addressing someone by their title "ass-kissing?" Is saying that it is an honor to be communicating with someone of high position "ass-kissing?" I will tell any general officer in the US military that I meet or communicate with that it is an honor to meet/communicate with him. To you I'm sure that's just more "ass-kissing" but that's not the way I was raised. | |||
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quote:Hey Tim, you must be getting some kind of discounts!!! Based on what I pay for a Parkfield pig I'd have that thing covered in a season. I think YOU should buy it and get rid of some of those old beaters you have. | |||
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I don't get why all the hubbub surrounding Boddington's sale of his David Miller rifle. If someone was in the market for a Miller rifle, I'm sure they would be interested. After all, we've saw a few examples of Miller's work on this forum that would definitely fetch more than this rifle's asking price. I'm sure this rifle has been taken care of, and for those that are looking for such rifle, I'd think the price would be reasonable even if John Doe had owned it and taken care of it. Shoot, we see a lot of other rifles in the same class go for as much or more on GunsAmerica or Gunbroker. What's the big deal? I do have a lot of respect for Gen. Boddington as a hunter who has been there and done that (as far as hunting goes) to places I've only dreamed of. I have even greater respect for him for his service and sacrifice to our country. Based on the fair market value of a David Miller rifle, I don't think he's trying to rip anyone off, or even cash in on the name he has built for himself. Before you jump, I'm not kissing up or anything, but believe alot of the snide posts were uncalled for. I posted a link to WDM Bell's .22 Hi Power rifle for $27,500 and not one word in ill faith was posted. [ 07-31-2003, 00:31: Message edited by: Yukon Jack ] | |||
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Well said, Yukon Jack. Canuck | |||
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quote:Amen to that Wismon!! Being raised in Virginia also, we were taught RESPECT AND MANNERS. We were also taught to respect the service and sacrafices of those in uniform. Both are a dying comodity in today's society! [ 07-31-2003, 01:15: Message edited by: seafire ] | |||
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quote:Wisemon Don't let your handle give delusions. You seem to have missed the point entirely. That point being that all of the people who ridiculed his price on the rifle and all the people who have prostrated themselves in front of his feet, are equally guilty of lack of respect. I have never said that Gen. Boddington nor anyone else should not be addressed with respect. At least until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it. While the General seems to prefer Craig, and I am sure that is what his friends and aquaintances call him, I am neither, having only spoke to him a few times at SCI. He seemed to be a down to earth fellow who enjoyed discussion and was not dogmatic in his opinions. I would ask you if you would enjoy being around someone who acted towards you like you have acted towards the General? If you answer yes than I don't see any where else to go here. | |||
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Wismon: Since it's more than likely that your original post was directed my way, I will presume to respond to it and your subsequent ones to Mickey1. In the interest of fair play and "manners," I'm sure you won't take affront to an honest rejoinder: quote: | |||
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Is addressing someone by their title "ass-kissing?" If you are not their subordinate, then the likely answer is YES. You have obviously never been in the military. Any officer is proud to address his subordinate as SERGEANT... And as a private, I didn't feel I was being brown-nosed when the SGT's addressed me as PRIVATE!!! | |||
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Well you would not lose any money on a Miller rifle thats for sure. On the other hand, being a lefty it would have a limited market. Also there is nothing wrong with trying to sell it. I own a .375 that was owned by Jack Lott. I bought it because it was a ZKK 602 with a pop up peep sight and yea Jack owned it once. Hey I would love to own TR's Holland and Holland, the only .45 Luger sold for about one million. 8K for a wood stocked Miller is pretty reasonable. Only if I was a Lefty, General, I would make the donation for your little girls college education. | |||
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quote:Sure, I agree with you. That's why I conditioned that statement with the word "likely." FYI: I used to be one of those Sergeants. RSY | |||
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Hey Fellas Calm down. Its good to have a new member of the fame and experience of Mr Boddington but no need to over do it. | |||
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quote:In fact, I just can't think of a better way to drive him off! We should be damn proud that of all the places he could choose to roost, he dropped in here for a minute... I'll personally hold you a-holes (you know who you are) responsible if you drive him off. We just might get a few tips here that we might otherwise have to pay for (though I would anyway)! BTW, my autographed copy of "Where lion's roar" is one of my dearest possesions... Glad to have you aboard if only for a while, GENERAL. | |||
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I totally agree w/N'Gagi. Leave the guy alone and treat him like you would anyone else you would like to have remain on the forum. I for one find his opinions and advice invaluable and, more importantly, enjoyable. I say we keep the General and ditch all the hoop-la. | |||
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seafire, thank you. RSY, no I wasn't directing my comments towards you. I was actually thinking of a different but similar thread from a few months back and I don't know if you posted on that one or not. I usually don't keep track of who said what about whom unless they attack me specifically. And hopefully I don't keep track of those too long after the thread has run its course. As for "playing the upbringing card" and it "being below the belt" but "you'll let it slide": are you kidding me?! First, to mention something is not to "let it slide". It's an effort to have your cake and eat it too. Secondly, I was personally attacked and my response was that it was the attacker, not me, who was out of line. Part of my response was that I was taught manners. But here's the thing, virtually everyone was taught manners! If that wasn't the case then I would have no basis upon which to criticize others for not adhering to them. Thirdly, you don't know what my upbringing was so don't act as though you do. Again, virtually everyone was taught manners at some point in their life so stating that I was does not tell you much about me. I'm willing to bet that you were taught manners too. If my writing that about you is not "below the belt" then why is it so when I write that about myself? And speaking of making assumptions about others, olarmy, you don't know whether I've ever served in the military or not so don't post snide comments based on an assumption. And by the way, yes, I address flag officers by their title, even after retirement. Mickey1, I haven't altered your username, no need to alter mine and then claim that I am basing my posts upon that. And quit with the personal attacks - so far you've called me an "ass-kisser", claimed I have "delusions", and impugned my motives. By the way, do you know the old saying that when you point a finger at someone there are three more fingers pointing back at you? Look through your posts. I see that you immediately criticized someone (me) who you perceived as trying to win approval from Gen. Boddington. Frankly that�s none of your business. You even went so far as to presume to speak for Gen. Boddington. You later mentioned that you had met him, spoken with him, and that he met with your approval. Just whose motives here are worthy of question? Or, in your parlance, who here is the ass-kisser? Now, do you want to keep this up? If you leave me alone I�ll leave you alone. N'agi, if this discussion will chase away Gen. Boddington then he�s in the wrong place. NitroX's plea for moderation and civility is the first such request I�ve ever seen on this board. [ 07-31-2003, 16:28: Message edited by: Wismon ] | |||
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Wismon:my apologies if I offended you. My comment was directed st RSY,not you. It seemed strange to me that anyone who has been in the military would make the comment that addressing subordinates with their titles is inappropriate. RSY replied to my comment in a most courteous manner. Case closed as far a I am concerned. | |||
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olarmy, Oops! My appologies to you; I misread your post. | |||
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Wismon I apologize for altering your handle. It was a slip, Freudian perhaps, but unintentional I assure you. As for NitroX, gotogirl3 and N'Gagi, they seem to be level headed people. Well, gotogirl3 and N'gagi anyway. Here are a few of my quotes and I ask where you would disagree? "What is with some of the members here who either hate and disparage anybody who has done more than them or look at them as some sort of Gods?" "Gen Boddington deserves to be treated as anyone else, not disparaged, not deified but accepted for his knowledge and opinions. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with anyone here. (except me, of course." "You seem to have missed the point entirely. That point being that all of the people who ridiculed his price on the rifle and all the people who have prostrated themselves in front of his feet, are equally guilty of lack of respect." As for speaking for the General, I assume (bad word) that you are referring to my statement that most if not all famous people that I have known think little of sycophants and kiss asses. If you think that speaks for the General and if you think that you fit into the quote than that is your problem. If not than where is the problem? And what is the deal with his meeting my approval? Why would he, or anyone else, care about that? Aside from being introduced a few times, and I am sure he meets thousands of people yearly, I do not know, nor did I ever claim to know him. I simply found him approachable. | |||
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quote:Sounds like your rank is a real hot button. I have never figured out what a military rank has to do with knowledge of rifles or hunting. When rank is used outside of a military context, one has to wonder what the purpose of the use of that use of rank is.... As for the rifle, if a guy wants to pay a premium for a souped up Chevy Vega, I guess we can't help him. | |||
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Yeah I'm sure Boddington will be dropping in on a regular basis now since I'm sure this time was such a positive experience for him. Most of the members on this board conduct themselves like grown men and if they want to treat a person with respect because in their opinion he deserves it that is their own business. To those of you who took the low road on this one you might want to take a second and reflect on your motives and if you have nothing positive to say and just want to bicker like a bunch of old women, guess what, the rest of us could care less and don't come to this site to read that ____ here on the hunting forum. You are just embarrassing yourselves so give it a rest. | |||
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This is as bad as the matchking thread. I know most of you young ladies would like to change a man, but remember this is a free speech forum... most bad seeds will bury themselves. I dont think we should scare Craig off yet, let him get established so we can abuse him later. . We all know the man as had vast experiances and has writen countless articals, not to mention many books, but has *said* very little in them. Maybe he will let us pick his brain... apart. I have oftan wondered... If Colonel Sanders was still alive, would I address him as the Colonel or Mr. Sanders? Would I salute him with a drumstick or a thigh in my hand, and would it be extra crispy or original? Craig thank you for fueling my interests in Africa, and hunting. | |||
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Jealousy is an ugly thing and some people can't handle the fact that some of you have done and attained great things that they will never be able to accomplish, so their only reaction is to lash out, insult and denigrate. I for one I'm in awe of some of your accomplishments both professionally and in the field of hunting. As a result, I've managed to learn a lot and "lived" through your experiences. thank you. jorge | |||
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craig boddington, Welcome to the Forum. I have all your books in my library, and have enjoyed your writing. | |||
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Well I think this is cool Craig is on these forums. Should add even more good stuff to our discussions! | |||
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quote:The only fool who is making an issue out of military rank is YOU. Just so you know, senior military officers are customarily addressed by their rank out of respect for their service and achievement, even outside of military situations. Just the same as legislators and judges are customarily addressed as "The Honorable" even at occasions having nothing to do with their professions. But then again, you would already know that if you had some couth and class. | |||
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Craig, I should have mentioned in my post above that we do have an awful lot of very knowdgeable, kind, honest and polite members on these Forums. Unfortunately, we also have a few who have absolutely no manners either. They are normally so unsecure in their lives, they use multiple IDs to post under to hide their true identity. I am afraid this is the price we have to pay to have a completely free Forum. Generally, I am at the receiving end of their frustrations, but sometimes someone else gets a few of their shots. | |||
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500grains, You made a statement that poses a question, "I have never figured out what a military rank has to do with knowledge of rifles or hunting. When rank is used outside of a military context, one has to wonder what the purpose of the use of that use of rank is...." I think I can answer that. There are certain honored positions in life whose title is deemed applicable in ANY context. Judge, Senator, Congressman, General, and others. I can tell you from personal observation that gaining a silver oak leaf, eagle, or star is no lightweight accomplishment. When I was an enlisted Marine, I was attached to H&MS-16, MAG-16, 3rd Marine Air Wing. My Squadron commander was a Silver Star winner in Vietnam, and a former HMX-1 Presidential pilot. Pretty impressive credentials. He was a major with enough time in grade for Lt. Col. I saw him get passed over a couple of times, and never did hear of his picking up his leaf. The point is that becoming a bird colonel or greater is a significant enough accomplishment that applying the title is an honorable and acceptable practice in a non-military context. Welcome to the forum, General Boddington, and Semper Fidelis! In general, gentlemen, if you applied the vitriol and energy that some of you reserve for gunwriters to your congressmen, we might all be in better shape! Best regards, Bigiron | |||
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General Boddington Welcome back! I make it a point to read your articles as often as possible! Though I don't alway s agree with the "magmun" think ! I do enjoy reading about the excellant hunts though! give me an '06 and I'm a happy hunter!! | ||
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I am sure Craig knows he has alot of critics. I am glad he has taken the time to even visit this site, I cannot imagine how busy the man must be as prolific a writer he is. Thanks for stopping by. | |||
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