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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
I was wrong and did not check into it further and life rolled along me not knowing any better.

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This seems to happen a lot to you

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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This seems to happen a lot to you

Yes, I guess so, just like someday you will realize you are not God! Boy is that gonna be a let down for you.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Right! You and everyonme else can think of me and my opinions as you wish. Just remember, If I Am Proven Wrong in the long run, BFD.

If however I am right, we all lose.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Right! You and everyonme else can think of me and my opinions as you wish. Just remember, If I Am Proven Wrong in the long run, BFD.

If however I am right, we all lose.

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even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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I sit on the California Department of Fish and Game commity,

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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even a broken clock is right twice a day.

You are right about that, but a broken clock being right about the time does not mean hunters have lost anything now does it.

If I am right on even one facet, that means hunters as a group have lost something.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I sit on the California Department of Fish and Game commity,

Like I am really going to believe a bureaucrat, especially one that was involved in the removal/attempted removal of the man from his job simply because he went to another state and participated in a legal hunt, a member of a committee that is/has or is attempting too ban hunters from bringing legally taken trophies into California because it is illegal to hunt the species in California.

Yes, I really believe that you are going to get on a Public Forum and state ANYTHING against the Party Line, just like any other politician.

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I guess we would be much more well informed if we listened to an unemployed Texan who has never hunted in California and has no facts to back his laughable opinions?

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So let me see here if I understand what you're saying CHC. You can tell the guy from CA that he's not what he says

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Like I am really going to believe a bureaucrat,

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Yes, I really believe that you are going to get on a Public Forum and state ANYTHING against the Party Line, just like any other politician.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I guess we would be much more well informed if we listened to an unemployed Texan who has never hunted in California and has no facts to back his laughable opinions?

I am not unemployed, I work 7 days a weeks. You just opened your alligator mouth about something your hummingbird ass knows nothing about.

I have been working for someone, for pay since I was 13, I will be 62 in September. I have been paying taxes on the wages I have earned during that whole time.

Now, do you just like making unfounded personal attacks on people that you know absolutely nothing about and cannot prove or are you just stupid?

As for you defense of the guy from California, How Often Do You Believe What Obama Says???????

Laughing at my opinions is one thing, making claims about me that you cannot substantiate is a whole different matter.

Now why don't you prove to everyone your claim that I am unemployed.

I would rather be looked on by the people on this site as someone with laughable opinions, than viewed as a lying son of a bitch making personal attacks that they cannot prove.

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Sorry, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I assumed since you have time to post all day every day you were unemployed rather than stealing time from your employer. My bad.

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I sit on the California Department of Fish and Game commity,

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
How about instead of making accusations, you take a little bit of time reading this.

About the Fish and Game Commission

Many Californians are not fully aware of the identity, function or responsibilities of the California Fish and Game Commission, and consider it synonymous with the California Department of Fish and Game. Actually, the Commission is a separate entity that has been involved in the management and wise use of California's fish and wildlife resources since 1870.

It is composed of up to five members, appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. The Commissioners are not full-time State employees, but individuals involved in private enterprise with expertise in various wildlife-related fields. They have a staff of eight employees, which handle day-to-day administrative activities. The Commission meets at least eleven times each year to publicly discuss various proposed regulations, permits, licenses, management policies and other subjects within its areas of responsibility. It also holds a variety of special meetings to obtain public input on items of a more localized nature, requests for use permits on certain streams or establishment of new ecological reserves.

Between 1870 and 1940, individual Commissioners served at the pleasure of the Governor. In 1940 the people provided for a Fish and Game Commission in the State Constitution (Article 4, Section 20). The Legislature delegated to the Commission a variety of powers, some general in nature and some very specific. A major responsibility is the formulation of general policies for the conduct of the Department, and the Director is responsible for administering the Department's activities in accordance with these policies. This is the only area in which the Commission is directly involved in Department administration. Its policies concern fisheries and wildlife management, introduction of exotics, use of departmentally-administered land and a variety of other subjects.

Probably the best known responsibility of the Commission is its general regulatory powers function, under which it decides seasons, bag limits and methods of take for game animals and sport fish. In adopting hunting (biennially--even-numbers years) and sport fishing regulations (biennially -- odd-numbered years), the Commission, in each case, holds a series of open public meetings (three for hunting and four for sport fishing) located in various parts of the state, so that individual and group input can be received and considered prior to adoption of new or changed regulations.

Some have criticized the Commission's regulatory powers actions as being nothing more than a rubber stamp for the Department's recommendations. A review of the Commission's actions on various Department recommendations indicates that this is not the case. In many instances, the Commission rejects or substantially modifies actions recommended by the Department, but only where it is convinced that such action is in the best interest of the resource and truly reflects the wishes and needs of the people. It is only natural that the Commission often relies heavily on the Department's biological data and recommendations, since the Department has the largest staff of experts for compiling data on California's wildlife.

In the same sense that the Commission often takes independent action on various Department recommendations, it does this also with recommendations from various hunting interests and claims that it is concerned only with consumptive use of our resources. This is another allegation rapidly refuted by reviewing the facts. Actually, the Commission spends more of its time dealing with matters of environmental quality, additional species protection, and rehabilitation of depleted populations and habitat than it does with matters of consumptive use. This by no means implies that the Commission is totally protectionist-orientated. It is fully aware that optimum use of our renewable wildlife resources must provide for a variety of consumptive and nonconsumptive needs. Wildlife, in contrast with inanimate objects, cannot be stored indefinitely for future use. Seasons and bag limits established on species with adequate reproductive potential reflect the best use of a biological surplus. In these cases, there always is prior provision for ample breeding stock and for a continuing population which can be enjoyed by naturalists, photographers and other nonconsumptive users.

The Commission's powers become increasingly broad as the Legislature gives it further regulatory and management authority. It is clear that the Commission, which can rapidly and expertly deal with resource problems, is often a more effective means of meeting the needs of the people and the resource than is the relatively slow process of legislative change. Coupled with this is an increasing awareness by the Legislature and all Californians that sound species management demands complete control over total use, and that one body, such as the Commission, is the most effective vehicle for controlling all forms of consumptive use--both sport and commercial.

There is sometimes a feeling among the Commissioners that they are greatly overloaded with work and responsibility for their $100-daily, not to exceed $500-monthly, maximum compensation. Still, the Commission continues working as a group of totally dedicated and intensely interested individuals, who fully realize their enormous responsibilities. As they rely on the Department for biological data and expertise, they also rely on all other Californians for recommendations, suggestions and constructive criticism of proposed actions.

The Commissioners' ultimate decisions must reflect not only the biological needs of our fish and wildlife, but also the wishes, needs and desires of all those who enjoy these resources. This is not an easy course to follow, and frequently it leads to conflicts between various interest groups. However, with the interest, understanding and involvement of everyone who appreciates our magnificent fish and wildlife resources, the California Fish and Game Commission will continue along the path of sound and enlightened resource management.

They are a govermental agency, therefore they fall under the same pressures as any other such agency. Same thing in Texas, our commissioners are appointees of the Govenor. As such they can be anmd are influenced in their decision making processes by the Govenor.

No one on ANY of the various Game and Fish departments Board of Commissioners is going to say Anything to jeapordize their position, that is simply a real part of the political system.

Tell us how you and this person have became such great intimate pals?

The Board of Commissioners of any of the various states game and fish departments answer to the higher political offices of the state

In some states these people are appointed to their positions and I believe in some they are elected by the general populace of the state.

See, TopGun, that was the problem with you I had been advised of. You are running around so damn hard, looking for someone/anyone that you can align yourself with for some kind of pathetic mutual admiration society.

All a person has to do is go back and look at your past posts/responses. That is the beauty of sites like this. All anyone has to do is go back and notice that it has not been all that long back when you were agreeing with practically anything I said.

That has been your history since you joined the AR, you bounce around like a little lost ping pong ball. You take sides with one person for a while and then turn violently against them if you think someone else will agree with you more often or you think it will win you some real friends.

You have proven to be just exactly as you were described.

I am on this place to have a little fun, pick up a little information/knowledge, sell a hunt every now and then, and if I make a friend on here, or never do, that is okay too.

I do not depend on any of the InterNet sites to make aquaintances or find friends or influence anyone. I enjoy talking to others folks about hunting, if we do not agree, that is simply part of being a human.

You Sir are the one that has to try and find acceptance within the group, no matter how many times you have to bounce from one group to another.

Having someone agree with you and "Fitting" in with a group is more important to you, than simply being an individual with his own thoughts/opinions/beliefs.

That is actually pathetic, a grown man, supposedly, worried more about being accepted by faceless individuals he will probably never have any actual contact with, rather than just stating in his words how he feels on an issue.

Let us see how long it is before you have a falling out with Drummond!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I hope to hell he was referring to me, LOL! What another absolutely stupid post prior to this last "notice" and he'll probably come back with some more goodies as he seems to be on a real roll on this thread! Just a thought, but if this keeps up maybe if everyone puts him on ignore we could have a meaningful discussion!