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Well, that's not quite the way it happened. In fact, it is exactly the opposite. The lands once claimed by Mexico as the Mexican state of Tejas did extend across part of what is now New Mexico, Colorado, and even a tiny sliver into Wyoming (roughly using the Rio Grande drainage as its south and west boundaries). However, the Republic of Texas (1836-1845) never presumed to claim lands beyond the Red River on the north and the vaguely defined "western desert" Comanche territory on the west. Texas negotiated its annexation with the U.S. which annexation treaty established approximately the borders it now has. The physical difference between then and today is that the New Mexico line was mistakenly placed about a mile west of where it was intended, so Texas extends a hair west of the negotiated boundary, while Greer County, Texas, which was situated between the middle and north forks of the Red River, was adjudicated in the early 1900's by the Supreme Court to be a part of Oklahoma, instead, so Texas lost some acreage there. The U.S. annexation treaty provided a couple of perks for Texas which other states coming into the Union didn't get: The Texas offshore boundary (submerged state lands) would extend 15 miles instead of 5 miles; and Texas would keep all of its unpatented (public) land as state land rather than cede it to the Federal government. This second provision is the reason behind why Texas has essentially no public land. Texas gave most of its otherwise unpatented public land to railroad companies, presumably as an incentive to build rail lines. (This was a blatant and unnecessary political give-away since the railroads would have built, anyway, without such an incentive). Texas also traded the better part of ten Texas counties to a group of Chicago investors for the money to build the state Capitol building in 1887. You've undoubtedly heard of the famous (if short-lived) XIT Ranch (XIT standing for "Ten In Texas"). Most of the rest of the state-owned lands were given to school districts (which mostly sold them), or were granted to various individuals in return for their "service" to the Republic, the State, or the Confederacy ("service" meaning they were able to wrangle themselves into a politically significant enough position to grab some land). So, Texas, unlike the United States, squandered its public lands and ended up with virtually none. Almost every state park or state wildlife refuge -- and even the Big Bend National Park -- had to be repurchased from the owners (or their successors) to whom Texas had given its land in the first place. You talk about government give-aways, well the proud Fathers of Texas were past masters at it. Bottom line: Virtually all Texas land is privately owned and therefore all recreational activities, whether hunting, camping, hiking, etc. are at the discretion of the private landowner. Now, don't take it that I somehow begrudge today's Texas landowners their rights -- I are one -- but the history of how there came to be no public lands in Texas is NOT one of the federal government taking them away, but rather one of the state government giving them away. What's done is done and isn't going to change. I, along with other landowners, am going to jealously guard my rights and charge whatever the market will bear for the use of my land (whether that is for agriculture, grazing, hunting, or building houses on.) And I applaud the efforts of Texas Parks and Wildlife to obtain and open as much land as possible to hunting opportunities for anyone lucky enough to win the lottery for their use. By the way, Quick Carl, TP&W closes a number of parks around the state to regular visitors, some of them close to you, to allow hunting for a couple of weekends per year. Hunting is free, and it is usually not too difficult to have a successful application to hunt. | |||
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JG -  Texas hunting has been on a Pay To Play basis for a few decades now, nothing new about it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I guess someone just got a huge dose of reality. I grew up in the Great State of Oklahoma on about a 10,000 acre dairy farm. The old dairy cows are gone, but my father now operates a very successful cattle operation on it currently. We have certain pieces of property we lease out to hunters for differing agreements. Some agreements are very simple requiring the leasing party(s) to maintain cedar tree control on the property, etc. At one time my dad made an agreement with the owner of a well-known local steak house for a free steak every Friday night. Then, I have certain pieces of the property I have the only hunting permission along with any friends/family I might have tag along with me. So, there are many ways to gain access to hunting property. The first thing you need to fix is your right to entitlement thoughts. If you can't overcome those thoughts, your next best thing is to purchase your own little slice of Texas heaven, or to move from Texas. Those are your options, now, it is up to you to make a decision on what fits your entitlement thoughts best. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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For you and the other folks that take my post as a personal affront to their family legacy -- IT WAS RHETORICAL -- so you can stop showing your pathetic little thing to the world. The fact that there is SO LITTLE Public Land in Texas IS the anomaly, not the fact that someone that didn't know that before would be surprised to find out. Up until Stonecreek's replies, I had no idea how something like this could have happened in America, nor has anyone previously, even before I created this post and inquired politely, talked about some of the drawn hunts that TPW provides (thank God someone in the State started thinking about the indentured servants, huh?). Nevertheless, I am sure I will be much happier, and far more welcome, hunting on my Uncle's land in Missouri, so all you landowners can get back to polishing your belt-buckles, and acting like Mr. Big to the illegal alien low wage laborers you have working your ranches. | |||
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 Yup, reality might sink in at some point. But, highly unlikely. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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That is not exactly a n accurate assessment of the Draw system here in Texas. The program has been in existence for and is extremely popular but getting drawn is not a sure thing, and then being successful at killing something is not all that great. I have been extremely fortunate over the years in getting drawn for hunts at State Parks/Wildlife Management Areas and Private Properties that have participated in the program. It is a good program and I will continue to participate in it as long as I am healthy enough to hunt. U.S.F.& W.S. also runs a similar program at Aransas National Wildlife refuge and at the Laguna Atascosa Wildlife refuge and I believe hunting is allowed at the Lake Meredith National Recreation area in the Panhandle. But getting drawn for any of those hunts requires homework and LUCK, and even then, with some exceptions, success rates are not all that great. One other aspect that was mentioned by the OP in some of the responses, was that he is interested in Long Range shooting, and that is something that is going to be hard to find both on any public land and the majority of private land that offers doe/cull and hog hunts reasonable prices. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I am sorry if my post was unclear -- I like to long range shoot at targets only. So the http://www.texasshootingrange.com/ link looks like it will cure that problem for me. Thank you | |||
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Jeez, you've gotta love these folks that relocate because they can't get a job in the shit hole where they were raised and the first thing they do is start bitching about the locals. It reminds me of a sign I saw in WY: "frankly I don't care how you did it back home". I like the idea of you dragging your ass back up to MO. Maybe open up a 7/11 in Ferguson or St Louis. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Your parents must have been some real winners... Since you are obviously intelligence challenged I will spell it out for your dumb shit-kickin ass. I moved to Texas, from AZ, to care for my aging aunt and uncle - not because I was desperate to come and be the neighbor of some idiot moron like you. Now I will admit that I have met a few decent folks here but the fact is that most of the folks I've met are obnoxious, un-educated, disgustingly fat fast-food addicts, that all look like down's syndrome inbreeds (you know, that fat head all like y'all had the same daddy/brother syndrome?). Lots of folks in Tennessee like that too, obviously... This is just a temporary lay-over for me, thank God. I've never even been to Missouri but I hear the folks and the hunting there are a thousand times better, I and the loathing I hold for stupid idiot morons like you, is infinite. Oh ya, I am sure that the folks that own 7-11's in Ferguson, have it all over you. | |||
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Karl, to be nice, Ill remind you that Texas has been hard fought for, immigrated to and well civilized since the pre Davy Crockett era. That youd expect any wide open spaces is silly. Metaphorically speaking, Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall left Lonesome Dove for Montana because they craved the untrammeled pasture that Texas no longer offered. To be not nice, youve made quite an effort at being perceived as a dickhead, where do you really think youre going to get at this point? | |||
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Scott, To be nice, I found it surprising that there is practically no public land for hunting in Texas - something I have never experienced in any of the other Great States in America that I have lived in. The fact that landowners have all the hunting land tied up in Texas, reminded me of how the ruling class used to treat the servant class in old England, where only the royal landowners could hunt or possess game, so I said so. I think that if you read back carefully you might find that I was not the first to hurl an insult at anyone, but it was all those "nice" folks from Texas (and Idaho and Tennessee) that did so, and I just don't take kindly to it. The entire country was hard fought for, immigrated to, and civilized, since even the pre-pre Davy Crockett era. And Captain Woodrow F. Call, was right -- I've been dreaming of living in Montana for a long time. I hope my aunt and uncle live to 100, but until then, I am, very unfortunately, stuck here. And for the rest of you Texas "nice folks' " information, my uncle has Parkinson's and asked me to find some decent hunting and shooting opportunities that he and I could share before it becomes impossible for him to do so, and he's been living here for a long ass time! He is also a West Point graduate that graduated 17th in his class. He is a greater gentleman than I am but he has a hard time with idjits too... The shooting range prob has been solved and the other Uncle in MO solved the hunting prob. Thank you all. | |||
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I know I don't need to remind you guys of when you have been "TROLLED"! and you rose to the bait and sucked it in!!! | |||
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Gee, and I thought that the Austin area had one of the highest percentages of degreed people in the US. Much higher than, say, AZ. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Slick enuff to have frolicked in the "crater" and been re-incarnated. Ya! GWB | |||
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Let's see now, you say your uncle, who is the local, wants you, the obnoxious west coast transplant, to go out and find him some places to hunt?????? That doesn't compute. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Somehow I have a feeling you will be using a landowner permit and skipping the state required non residential license fee.... Snap a picture of your 2016 Non Residence Missouri firearms deer license and post when you get it. I'll check back from time to time BTW Ft. Wood isn't Southern Missouri ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Coming from a moron that needs a calculator to find the solution to 2/2... | |||
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MO non-resident hunting permit is $225 - doesn't seem unfair to me. I said SOUTH of Ft Leonard Wood. So which Missouri are you talking about? I've never hunted illegally in my life - you're projecting. Maybe you should go back to the kiddie pool? | |||
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Pardon me, some on here do like Long Range hunting as well as Target Shooting at extended ranges. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yes sir, I understand that, I just knew that my earlier post was unclear. | |||
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GWB I am guilty as sin, have risen to the bait on many occasions, at times it is irresistible.... | |||
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Snellstrom, I am also guilty of feeding trolls. Some guy comes on here complaining that he wants to hunt HIS deer on everyone else's land OR how about a great big Obamacare tax for the underprivileged hunters of the world. He can do what I did, buck up and buy your own land. And I even bought mine in Missouri. Not that expensive there. I got mine with a house for about $2K per acre. And I STILL enjoy hunting with Randall in Texas. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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There are four National Forests in our great State of Texas: Angelina Davy Crockett Sabine Sam Houston | |||
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Untold millions of people hope they win the PowerBall too!  The ratio of indentured-servant-Texas-Citizens to available National Forest and/or TPW hunting opportunities, is somewhat skewed. I doubt that anyone is going to volunteer to do anything about it, but it was still a surprising thing to learn about the Great State of Texas! I know that TPW makes good effort to provide indentured-servants with hunting opportunities and I applaud them for it. But in all honesty, it would be one thing to charge a nominal fee (set by someone at TPW to make sure it is, in fact, fair to the indentured-servants) to allow an indentured-servant access to private land, but charging someone $2000+ for an antlered Whitetail (remember, no royal-landowner paid a dime for the deer (exotics on exotic hunting ranches excluded)), is Hillary Clintonesque, in my never-humble opinion. | |||
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What a blubbering fool. I haven't heard such bawling and squalling since I took my 12 yr old daughter's phone away. | |||
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Normally I go out of my way to volunteer hunting opportunities to people in similar situations, but in this case I think he should take his "gimme" attitude and go back to Arizona. In addition, I am fairly certain that the millions of gainfully employed Texans would take umbrage at being referred to as "indentured-servants". I woul suggest he keep his internet bravado to himself while around other PROUD Texans. Finally, I wonder what his 17th in class Uncle did for hunting opportunities in Texas when he was not a victim of Parkinson's? But now, he has no clue how to go about it, so he puts the job off on his whiney relative from Arizona who is terribly surprised to find out that he is not in Arizona anymore. Hmmmmm....... xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Hey, dickbreath, My Uncle isn't a hunter; he wants to do things that we can enjoy together, while he still can, asshole. You want to be a dick to me, have all the fun you can stand - but lay off my Uncle or I'll have to kick your green teeth in. | |||
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It's just amazing how sensitive all you tough-guy Texan's are! You're too easy, son! | |||
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If you are tired of Texas, go to Colorado or Montana! Wait....... Too late. We are full of Texans who cant stay home. Ski+3 | |||
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Here is a more accurate account of the disposition of public lands in Texas from the Texas State Historical Asso. In fact, there were 67 million acres which were part of the Rep. of Texas were in present day New Mexico, Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming and for which the US paid for by the US in 1850 and 1855, well after the State was a part of the US.
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Wait - you mean you folks in Colorado can't stand Texas either???  | |||
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In all good fun, some of y'all sure are sissies, and your protests are manifestations of your guilt.  | |||
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This has been fun, gents, but like a man suggested earlier, y'all been trolled. Now go yell at one of your illegal alien low wage laborers so's y'all can feel all big and landownerly. | |||
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With the way you've framed your arguments here, did you expect it to go another way? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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At first, I was genuinely surprised that the royal landowners owned 97% of the land in Texas - and it just kinda snowballed from there! | |||
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I find this thread curious. I have lived here in Texas for 55 years. For my entire adult life I have never owned any rural property, yet have always had a place to hunt. I did so, because I helped family and friends that had farms and ranches, do work around there property and was polite and respectful to them. On behalf of the great State of Texas I am sorry for your Uncle and Aunts health and please thank your Uncle for his service. Is there any chance your family in Missouri could move them there to help you out? Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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My Uncle would go to Missouri in a millisecond -- my Aunt does not want to go, and he won't leave her - I guess that is what a guy that graduated 17th in his West Point Class and was the Honor Graduate of his Ranger class, is all about... Thank you for your kind words about my Uncle - I've never met another person like him in my entire life. Since I was a child that watched him marching as a Cadet at West Point, he has been a giant in my eyes. Would that I could have been 1/1000th the man he is. | |||
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Well, if your Uncle can't figure it out having lived in Texas for lo these many years, I can hardly expect you to be any smarter. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Hmmm so you're saying that living in TexASS for many years, some of the TexASS stupidity worked its way into him? You're a real douchebag - I bet that my Uncle could still kick the shit out of you like the little girl you are. | |||
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