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Hunting in Patagonia next year on horseback. The -06 is lighter/handier and with a 2-7 compact is a lot easier to pack on a horse and I'm comfortable with the cartridge to about 300yds on elk size game. The 300RUM is a 400+yd cartridge on elk but with its long barrel and 3.5-10X50 scope, it's a pain in the a-- on a horse. All else being equal, do you think the extra range of the RUM justifies the hassle factor? Keep in mind that the way this hunt was explained to me, we will pretty much be riding all day, every day. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | ||
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The classic Elk rifle for folks on horseback is the 338 Win Mag. It has the same expansion ratio as the '06, so you can use the same length bbl. You want velocity with a decent BC rather than mass for long Elk shots with the 338, and the Nosler 210 at 3000 fps is the load that many use. Recoil will be less than a 180 gr 300 RUM in the same weight rifle. Next would be a 300 Win or even 300 WSM with a 24 inch bbl driving 180 grainers at 3000 fps. The extra 150 fps of the RUM is really not worth the size and recoil at 400 yards. At 500 or 600, perhaps, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The WSM will do it with a 22 inch bbl. Finally, if you find that lightness and handiness are of paramount importance, the 270 is packaged in a number of great rifles that fall into the "mountain rifle" category. It has taken as many Elk with one shot as any other caliber. | |||
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Another for the 338 Win Mag... | |||
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Blacktailer Both your rifles will work fine for redstag. Take what you feel comfortable with and choose a good bullet  Cheers  / JOHAN | ||
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Personally, I think the 30-06 is fine, you probably will be much closer to the roaring stag before deciding whether it is a shootable trophy anyway. I am certain that if push came to shove you could take a 350 yrd poke with the 06 anyway... | |||
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Do not be uncomfortable shooting the 06. I shot a Stag last year with an 06, my wife used a 308. Mine ran farther than hers. Mine ran about 15 yards, hers fell down, in it's tracks with a perfect heart shot. I would not be uncomfortable shooting a 308 or an 06 at a Stag. Take the 06. | |||
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Thanks all for the input. The -06 it is. Besides, next year will be the centinnial for the cartridge. Happy hunting  Russ Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Blacktailer In Patagonia (maybe San Martin de los Andes or Junin de los Andes?) do you need a good .338 Win.Mag. / 210 or 250 Nosler Partition or .7 Rem Mag. /160 or 175 grs. of good bullet. Do you shot at not less of 200 meters (perhaps 300 or 400) at one rouge animal similar in size and weigth to your Elk. I will be hunt Ciervo Colorado (Red Deer) in April, in SMA, and I will be hunt with this two rifles. .30-06 are good too, but when you need a shot a more distance to 250 meters, big animal, do you need a big caliber. Good Hunt and best regards. Hector | |||
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the .270 is a killer! "America's Meat - - - SPAM" As always, Good Hunting!!! Widowmaker416 | |||
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Blacktailer, I just got back from hunting red stag in New Zealand on Thursday and the 30-06 did the ticket with 165 grain nosler blastic tip at 175 yds. No real meat damage the exit hole was about the size of a nickle but it took out both of his lungs and he made it about 30yds before falling over. | |||
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Boats, were you hunting south or north Island? I am heading over there in 2006- late april-may. PM me details of your trip so as not to take over this thread  | |||
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big , tough mtn. animal. .300 wthby mag with 200 gr. bullets and a 3-10x scope. shoots a long way and hits hard when it delivers the mail... Cold Zero | |||
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I would use my 8x68S (Heym Express light magnum) with 196grain CDP-bullets (3000fps) and with Zeiss Victory 3-12x56. | |||
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I have shot 4 red stag, all with a .308. They do not seem to be nearly as tough as an elk. They are not as big, that is for sure. | |||
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Tule elk bulls way between 450 - 550 lbs they are the smallest of the NA elk The largest is the Roosevelt elk with bulls weighing 700 and 1100 lbs Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Hi Mike, I got confused between the Tule and the Roosvelt elk. I deleted my post before reading your answer. I was doing some search about red stag hunting and saw the thread, after I posted I realized that was an OLD thread and I went back and deleted my answer. Sorry !! And thanks for the info about the better months to hunt in NA  L | |||
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I'd take the 30-06 with a premium 180 grain bullet. | |||
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Dang Mike, I am going start calling you the "Grave Digger" You resurected this post from 2005! I saw that I had posted on it but didn't remember posting it. Well, I am glad to see that I am not drunk posting again. So Blacktailer, how did the hunt go? For what it is worth, I hunted Patagonia last year and shot a 30-06. Like Another AZWriter said, I do not think Stags are as tough as Elk. | |||
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A .300 RUM or .2338 win mag for red stags? Wow! I guess it's a good thing I never found this site a lot earlier, as I shot 4 red stags qutite a few years ago, and killed all of them with a .25-06. As I recall, three of the four dropped in their tracks, and the other one went about 20 yards. I should hope his .30-06 would be fine. | |||
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I've taken two - one with a 30-06 and one with a 270. One shot kills on both. You don't need a cannon. "Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult." | |||
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The .270 is the classic Scottish hill rifle in the UK, in this scenario 300 yard shots are frequently to be encountered if that is one's thing. It certainly drops them without any fuss. these are smaller animals than Lowland reds that reach up to 350-400 pounds. The 30.06 / 308 is popular for those fellows. A good few are shot with 243s on the classic broadside presentation, the 243 being the most popular beginners calibre in the UK, most think it's a bit marginal but it certainly works. Regards, GH | |||
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.280 with 160 grains. 238 yards I believe it was. Wendell Reich was with me. One shot.  165 yards, .280 once again.  Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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