For me, a whisky around the campfire just goes with hunting.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

Lots of good pious upstanding Christians in Texas enjoy "Demon Rum". The problem is, they don't want the folks where they live and practice "THEIR" religion to know about it.

I'm reminded of the saying, how do you keep a Baptist from drinkin' all your beer when you take him fishing? Be sure to take two of them.

Best

GWB

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Be sure to take two of them.

That nails it in one. Does my heart good to see that some folks have an actual grasp of reality.

in my country we say that about the mormons

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in my country we say that about the mormons

For the organized Christian Religions, it is really easy to present one face in Public and a completely different one in the privacy of ones home.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Somehow, I feel that your hypothesis, especially as far as Americans are concerned is
not accurate.

As far as Britain/Europe is concerned the increased number of Muslims may be having an effect as far as alcohol consumption of the total population is concerned.

Europe/Britain has always had its share of muslims. The ratio between the faiths has varied little whilst the dirstribution has change quite a lot.

The same comparison could obviously be made about the USA. More so in fact bearing in mind you are a nation comprised mostly of 1-5 gereneration immigrants.

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Originally posted by Bigasanelk:
CHC - Jools is correct. Google search of "alcohol consumption decline" will net 43,000,000 hits. Here's a sample from the first one:

"Alcohol Consumption Declining, According To Results Of New Study
ScienceDaily (Aug. 6, 2008) — Overall alcohol use—particularly consumption of beer—is declining in the US, according to a new study published in the August 2008 issue of The American Journal of Medicine. Researchers examined 50 years of data and found several changes in alcohol intake but no change in alcohol use disorders."

Here in beer-soaked Wisconsin, any bar owner will tell you that people don't drink as much or as often as they used to. That's not to say everybody went on the wagon but the trend is definitely less per capita alcohol use.

Of course, the perception would be different for a person who hangs around with a bunch of drunks.

Or has a closed mind on everything and anything......

Perhaps the years of sucking down backwoods produced whiskey has destroyed so many brain cells that the concept that of being wrong in anything is just a step to far for old CHC

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In any case, according to studies, the trend towards lower per-capita alcohol consuption has been going on for some time - well before the Obama depression.

Its a trend that is repeated across many first world countries.

Like you say "There's a whole lot more to this world than Texas". You can sure see why the rest of the world consider many americans/texans parochial.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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in my country we say that about the mormons

For the organized Christian Religions, it is really easy to present one face in Public and a completely different one in the privacy of ones home.

Theres nothing like stating the obvious.........

Hey jools.....I'd be a tad careful calling anyone parochial, you've been attempting to hold a lecture on this forum for quite a spell now. Judging from what you preach from your internet pulpit I'd say you're the one who's blinkered.

You know Jools or Jolouburn or whatever you call yourself, you are the perfect example of one of the reasons why the IRA hates Brits, arrogant-pompous asses that actually believe everyone wants to be like them.

All I know is what I see, and it is not less people drinking, and as the ancient saying goes, statistics only prove what the person compiling them wants to prove.

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Originally posted by Norton:
Hey jools.....I'd be a tad careful calling anyone parochial, you've been attempting to hold a lecture on this forum for quite a spell now. Judging from what you preach from your internet pulpit I'd say you're the one who's blinkered.

Really?? Preach?? .........Nah!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
You know Jools or Jolouburn or whatever you call yourself, you are the perfect example of one of the reasons why the IRA hates Brits, arrogant-pompous asses that actually believe everyone wants to be like them.

Yep, thats one of the best examples of dumbass parochial I've encountered for sometime.
I can see now why you just love those big hats.

Let me see here: Parochial


1: of or relating to a church parish

that lets me out, don't go to church, don't believe in "Organized" religions.


2: of or relating to a parish as a unit of local government.

I live in Texas, not Louisiana, we have counties not parishes.


3: confined or restricted as if within the borders of a parish : limited in range or scope (as to a narrow area or region) : provincial, narrow

No, I am neither confined or restricted in either my thinking or beliefs. I do not put blind faith into statistics, never have, never will. As I stated earlier, statistics only prove what the person compiling them or paying to have them compiled wants them to prove(?).

I admit that cigarette smoking is decreasing. I just do not see the same thing with alcohol consumption.

If bars/clubs/restaraunts are showing a decline in alcohol sales, I attribute most of that to the economy. However with DUI/DWI prosecutions as stiff as they are and add to that the fact that the bar/club/restaraunt and the bar tender themself, can be/will be charged if they knowingly serve anyone too many drinks and an accident occurs, I believe actually has more to do with any decline(?) than any other factor.

No Jooly, considering the time period I grew up in and the area I grew up in and the fairly limited amount of formal education I have had, I am as open minded as I can possibly be.

I don't buy into statistics of any kind or much of anything that openly admits to having as much as a 1% margin of error.

No Jooly, your as open minded as a rusted shut steel trap, because you are ENGLISH and you know what is best for everyone that isn't ENGLISH.

Trouble is, Jooly, I have met a few brits, commoners I guess, cause they did not any of them act like you. You remind me of Hyacinth BUCKET on Keeping Up Appearances.

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Originally posted by Jools:

Europe/Britain has always had its share of muslims. The ratio between the faiths has varied little whilst the dirstribution has change quite a lot...

I think you m ight be in error on this. After La reconquista in Spain there were VERY few Moslems in Europe. The occasional "Moor" was a phenomenon to comment upon, draw and display.

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Nothing gives the game away on swirling, eddying winds than the smell of tabacco smoke and a smoker.

Not if you're in a treestand. The wind carries any scent over any deer, if that's what you're hunting, and diffuses it over a wide area. That's even if the deer are right underneath you. It's actually movement they pick up. For some reason deer just don't seem to look up much. They aren't expecting danger from that direction. But, they will make you from greater distances whether you're smoking or not. Then the angle of sight flattens out and you're more on their level. I've had that happen at 75 yds, but surprisingly not at 10 ft.

Btw, whatever drinking and smoking goes on today in the U.S., believe me, it's nothing compared to the distant past. Before about 1965, going on personal observations around me at the time, about half smoked cigs. Many guys smoked pipes (I haven't seen much of anyone doing that since the '70s, but I always liked the scent) and cigars. It was REAL common place. Today, I see a few cigar smokers here and there, but not that you find everyday (I know one fellow who found out the hard way how dangerous it is - but I won't weary you with the gory details).

Drinking in the sense of drinking expressly to get drunk is less popular today by mountains and miles than at one time. There was a time frankly when DUI, or DWI as we called it then, was VERY typical and while against the law, the laws on it just weren't enforced like today.

Drinking and smoking used to be far more acceptable.

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Originally posted by Oxon:

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Originally posted by Jools:

Europe/Britain has always had its share of muslims. The ratio between the faiths has varied little whilst the dirstribution has change quite a lot...

I think you m ight be in error on this. After La reconquista in Spain there were VERY few Moslems in Europe. The occasional "Moor" was a phenomenon to comment upon, draw and display.

You need to review your concept of what determines europe.

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No Jooly, considering the time period I grew up in and the area I grew up in and the fairly limited amount of formal education I have had, I am as open minded as I can possibly be.

So you're Parochial, cos you were made that way? A victim of circumstance, society, and lack of opportunity.

It explains so much........

jools- believe it or not, Europe is geographically defined. And that definition hasn't changed a whole lot since the late 15th cent.

No, I am not parochial, but you are an ignorant bitch.

nice....not

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nice....not

I was not intending to be nice. Nice does not work with Jooly. Thanks for your input.

Forgetting for a moment, jool's snotty english attitude toward all things non-english.
I think he is calling us country folks. Rural, unsofisticated people. Which is fine with me. I'll even confess to being a redneck. In the true sense of the word.

don't know 'bout ya'll but sometimes when folks start breathin' down my neck a lil' too close I think of what ol' Dan Hicks has to say...............




Best


GWB

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
No, I am not parochial, but you are an ignorant bitch.

That view depends entirely upon what side of the fence you stand. Subject to the evidence presented.The evidence presented so far has done nothing to alter my views on you, the size of the hat you talk thru, fenced ranch's and the dubious so called sporting activities they provide.

Yet again you have single handedly managed to reinforce the adage.

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you......with eperience.

I again happily acknowledge your experience.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
nice....not

But true to form. Some people just can't rise above their upbringing and enviroment.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
Forgetting for a moment, jool's snotty english attitude toward all things non-english.
I think he is calling us country folks. Rural, unsofisticated people. Which is fine with me. I'll even confess to being a redneck. In the true sense of the word.

For the record, my snooty english attitude is reserved for a very select, well deserving few.

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Originally posted by Jools:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
nice....not

But true to form. Some people just can't rise above their upbringing and enviroment.

Pot calling the kettle black, Jools. You're not setting a shining example either.

Gentlemen, discuss without the name calling.

My apologies, I was out of line with my comment, but then many folks have a real hard time acknowledging the part they played in these little melodramas.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
My apologies, I was out of line with my comment, but then many folks have a real hard time acknowledging the part they played in these little melodramas.

CHC,

remember the old addage,

Mind over matter, you shouldn't mind as some folks don't matter.........

and one more,

its .........



Carry on soldier!

GWB

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Jools:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
nice....not

But true to form. Some people just can't rise above their upbringing and enviroment.

Pot calling the kettle black, Jools. You're not setting a shining example either.

Gentlemen, discuss without the name calling.

I don't recall having ever singled out any individual to call a name. A rather futile exercise if I may say so.

However I admit that what I think and what I write are not always the same on that matter

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
My apologies, I was out of line with my comment,

Apology accepted.

Melodrama's only start when the drama queen tosses her hair and stomps around the stage. Until then they are just regular farces.

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Originally posted by Geedubya:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
My apologies, I was out of line with my comment, but then many folks have a real hard time acknowledging the part they played in these little melodramas.

CHC,

remember the old addage,

Mind over matter, you shouldn't mind as some folks don't matter.........

and one more,

its .........



Carry on soldier!

GWB

Hell, does anyone really anyway?

I perfer that redneck country music.

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Hell, does anyone really anyway?

Yes Virginia, in the REAL WORLD Everyone matters to Someone!

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Yes Virginia, in the REAL WORLD Everyone matters to Someone!

I think if you look thru the history of mankind there have been times when that hasn't been the case or has been so insignificant as to not influence the out come.

We have a history riddled with holocausts, genocides, mass murders, slavery, systematic rapes and abortions.

We haven't come far in the evolutional journey.

And only the self righteous blind and fools cannot see that if everyone was not important to someone, Hitler and all the rest would have achieved their goals.

Ah, but where all those poor sods that lost their lives whilst the politicans decided that someone was important, not unimportant at the time of their death?

A philosophical argument that doesn't belong on a hunting forum.

Toodaloo.

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A philosophical argument that doesn't belong on a hunting forum.

Are not hunting and philosophy as it pertains to the human condtion and involvement in either important?

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Are not hunting and philosophy as it pertains to the human condtion and involvement in either important?

YeSir, they most certainly are!


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Originally posted by Jools:
Ah, but where all those poor sods that lost their lives whilst the politicans decided that someone was important, not unimportant at the time of their death?

A philosophical argument that doesn't belong on a hunting forum.

Ah yes, philosophy. It lets one soar to the limits of his imagination with never a foot set upon the cold, hard ground of reality.
Reality however is the tens of thousands of American --both US and Canadian- that decided that you people mattered and died on the beaches and in the hedge rows of France. Reality could have been the Americans saying: "Hell, let Hitler have Britian. It's the Japanese that have made an overt attack on us." But, instead, elected to fight a war on two fronts because we felt you mattered. And we won the war despite Montgomery's arrogant stupidity.