Don't watch that many hunting shows these days, but have in the past. I had the TV on for noise as I was doing some reloading. I saw a guy with something sticking out of his mouth that looked like a cigar, and the thought hit me. I don't recall seeing any hunting show where anyone smokes, not even cigars. Even the ball bustin' women who PWN their signicant others don't dip or "chaw" and seem to be tobacco free.
Or for that matter imbibes adult beverages.

What's the deal.

GWB

Maybe they don't have a death wish?

I have seen people that smoke in a stand and still kill deer and stuff. Do you remember what show it was?

If you're hunting into and using the wind like you should, I don't believe it's that big of a deal. Movement doing it would be a negative thing though. I'm glad I never got into that bad and expensive habit.

Geedubya, I got to thinking about it and at this point in time, none of the folks I deal with on a daily basis smoke. One good friend smokes cigars in camp when is out here for a hunt. We don't allow our clients to smoke in our stands, company vehicles or the hunting cabin where ewe bunk our hunters. If they want to smoke outside that is fine. I did not realize how strong and lasting an odor cigarette smoke is until after I had been away from folks that did smoke a lot. In a closed room it is almost nauseating.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
If you're hunting into and using the wind like you should, I don't believe it's that big of a deal.

Agree 100%. I smoke cigars or a pipe from time to time while relaxing around a campfire. No cigaretts. But many of the PH's I've hunted with in Africa as well as all the guides I've hunted with in Russia, smoke like a chimney and did so while actually hunting. We also stayed down wind making it a moot point!

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
Even the ball bustin' women who PWN their signicant others don't dip or "chaw" and seem to be tobacco free.

Can there be anything more repugnant then a woman that smokes, dips or chaws. Be they ball buusters or dishy babe's? Stomach churning!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
We also stayed down wind making it a moot point!

Nothing gives the game away on swirling, eddying winds than the smell of tabacco smoke and a smoker.

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Originally posted by Jools:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
We also stayed down wind making it a moot point!

Nothing gives the game away on swirling, eddying winds than the smell of tabacco smoke and a smoker.

If they are smelling the smoker on a swirling wind
they are smelling the human too

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Originally posted by ravenr:
If they are smelling the smoker on a swirling wind
they are smelling the human too

Yep I am sure they are less afraid of the smoke smell then the human smell.

If they can smell the smoke, they can smell you. In the time, it wasn't concidered bad bad form to have a smoke in you mouth to help check wind currents.
While I don't smoke, I'd much rather have a cig to tell me which direction to hunt that rely on the "cover scents and masking scents and other snake oil" that people buy nowadays.

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Originally posted by ravenr:
If they are smelling the smoker on a swirling wind
they are smelling the human too

The stink of a smoker is stronger, is more easily detected and travels further.

Thanks for the input guys, but the direction the thread took was not what I was asking. Perhaps I should have been more specific.

I love hunting. I love the experience of the hunt in all its facets. I also very much enjoy the camaraderie of hunting camp. A big part of the experience is the interplay between individuals in camp when one is not "hunting". I'm sixty, been in around folk that hunted and hunting camps most all my life. Especially in the 50's and sixties folks smoked. For years when I've been around hunting camps one almost always will find tobacco and liquor in evidence.
In our camp, we have 10 members. Three are cigarette smokers. Several members will light up a stogie or indulge in an adult beverage in the evening after the hunt. I even partake from time to time.

What struck me as curious was that, although I now watch very little hunting TV, I don't recall seeing a show where folks are sitting around the campfire or lodge relaxing with an adult beverage and a cigarette or cigar (even though they may still have their "motorcycle helmet and shooting glasses on). I was curious as to whether ya'll had noticed that or if I'm wrong in my observation.

Best

GWB

You're right in your observation.

Your group may be an exception but there are far fewer smokers these days. Right or wrong, there's a stigma against smoking in many parts of the country. As a result you seldom, if ever, see people smoking in the media except in the movies. (The tobacco companies probably pay product placement fees to the movie producers.)

As for the adult beverages, producers of videos might be sensitive about the public image of hunters and alcohol. There may also be some legal or liability issues as well.

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The stink of a smoker is stronger, is more easily detected and travels further.

Wrong
"stronger" smells don't travel farther.

It is becoming less and less prevalent in any of the screen media whether small screen or large screen, hunting shows included. I was watching some old movies from the 40s and 50s the other day and noticed the majority of the actors smoked. Not as much now.

In my dealings with hunting and smoking (I never have, but people I used to hunt with did) the smell of a cigarette does not alert a deer. It is just a burning leaf. The human smell is the scent of a predator unless the only time the deer smalls smoke is associated with death. They take notice, but are not alarmed by cigarette smoke.

It's PC

The show's don't want any negative feedback to hurt sponsorship

sooooooo

No alcohol.....No smokes......and no cussing

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whether ya'll had noticed that or if I'm wrong in my observation.

I go along with the PC attitude. Right/Wrong or indifferent it is how things are.

I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

Ted,

don't be too hard on CHC,
from my perspective we're buds of the first magnitude.

Best

GWB

Are you kidding.....I like ol'craze

He's down right entertaining

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I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

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I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

I ain't a business, I don't give credit!

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I see you still use a quote without giving credit to the OP.....

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Are you kidding.....I like ol'craze

He's down right entertaining

to the both of ya's.

GWB

I can't count the number of times I have had to put a cigarette out to shoot a deer. This past deer season took a nice 9 pointer and had to put my cigarette out first.

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Wrong
"stronger" smells don't travel farther.

Ipso facto The stronger the stink the more easily its detected the further it travels before it becomes undetectable.

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
Thanks for the input guys, but the direction the thread took was not what I was asking. Perhaps I should have been more specific.

I love hunting. I love the experience of the hunt in all its facets. I also very much enjoy the camaraderie of hunting camp. A big part of the experience is the interplay between individuals in camp when one is not "hunting". I'm sixty, been in around folk that hunted and hunting camps most all my life. Especially in the 50's and sixties folks smoked. For years when I've been around hunting camps one almost always will find tobacco and liquor in evidence.
In our camp, we have 10 members. Three are cigarette smokers. Several members will light up a stogie or indulge in an adult beverage in the evening after the hunt. I even partake from time to time.

What struck me as curious was that, although I now watch very little hunting TV, I don't recall seeing a show where folks are sitting around the campfire or lodge relaxing with an adult beverage and a cigarette or cigar (even though they may still have their "motorcycle helmet and shooting glasses on). I was curious as to whether ya'll had noticed that or if I'm wrong in my observation.

There are a number of reasons. As already mentioned. Fewer people smoke, fewer people drink.
Film makers are aware of the wide spread negativity attatched to smoking and the use of tabacco products.Consumption of alchol along side the use of firearms also has its associated negative imagery.

That the reality film makers, drama/soap TV production companies and the motion picture film makers routinely exclude smoking and drinking from their scripts and film footage. Is simply an indicator of the social/political/medical peer pressure that has been applied over the last 25 years.

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fewer people drink.

I don't buy into that statement at all. I know lots of folks that drink in varying amounts. JMO, but I think you are way off on that statement.

Yes, fewer people smoke cvigarettes these days, but a lot of folks do smoke cigars at various times and a lot of folks use the various smokeless tobacco products.

I just think ylou are way off base on the amount of folks that drink.

I've had alot of clients that smoke and personally I,ve never seen it effect game but we spot and stalk so we're always downwind anyway. If anything I'll look back at their cigarette for wind detection, something about smoke shows all the changes and eddies in the wind as well as showing if wind is traveling up or down a mountain....now that I think about they're pretty handy for one thing. I really dont think effects game even in a blind I havent seen them care even if you can see the smoke blowing right at them I guess burning organic material is just a natural scent.

I smoke 3 packs of Camel Filters a day! I love them so much I started 22yrs ago. Seeing that Camels are also animals, all the game and birds dont seem to worry too much I occassionaly wiff the smoke out of my fired paper shells from time to time And let me also remind you chaps that know our local PH Bruce Truter smokes pipe!

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Originally posted by Jools:

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Wrong
"stronger" smells don't travel farther.

Ipso facto The stronger the stink the more easily its detected the further it travels before it becomes undetectable.

Seriously man, no one gives a crap about your grand standing. You don't like it, we get it, your ranting has nothing to do with the thread.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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fewer people drink.

I don't buy into that statement at all. I know lots of folks that drink in varying amounts. JMO, but I think you are way off on that statement.

Yes, fewer people smoke cvigarettes these days, but a lot of folks do smoke cigars at various times and a lot of folks use the various smokeless tobacco products.

I just think ylou are way off base on the amount of folks that drink.

Figures show a slow but steady decline in spirt volume sales against per head of population numbers. I don;t know how you want to interpret that statistic. I guess most would take from it a drop in the number of drnkers.

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:

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Originally posted by Jools:

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Wrong
"stronger" smells don't travel farther.

Ipso facto The stronger the stink the more easily its detected the further it travels before it becomes undetectable.

Seriously man, no one gives a crap about your grand standing. You don't like it, we get it, your ranting has nothing to do with the thread.

Who's ranting? Not I. You perhaps?
Its very much to do with this thread. Have you read it all?

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Figures show a slow but steady decline in spirt volume sales against per head of population numbers. I don;t know how you want to interpret that statistic. I guess most would take from it a drop in the number of drnkers.

Where were your figures obtained? England or the U.S.?

Both.

There have been various studies conducted by the likes of AA, medical groups and commercial survey companies like Gallop.Some show an increase in beer or wine consumption with a corresponding fall in distilled spirt consumpion/retail sales. An increase until you factor in increased population head counts that is.

Somehow, I feel that your hypothesis, especially as far as Americans are concerned is
not accurate.

As far as Britain/Europe is concerned the increased number of Muslims may be having an effect as far as alcohol consumption of the total population is concerned.

CHC - Jools is correct. Google search of "alcohol consumption decline" will net 43,000,000 hits. Here's a sample from the first one:

"Alcohol Consumption Declining, According To Results Of New Study
ScienceDaily (Aug. 6, 2008) — Overall alcohol use—particularly consumption of beer—is declining in the US, according to a new study published in the August 2008 issue of The American Journal of Medicine. Researchers examined 50 years of data and found several changes in alcohol intake but no change in alcohol use disorders."

Here in beer-soaked Wisconsin, any bar owner will tell you that people don't drink as much or as often as they used to. That's not to say everybody went on the wagon but the trend is definitely less per capita alcohol use.

Of course, the perception would be different for a person who hangs around with a bunch of drunks.

Well, I do not see a decrease in drinking here in Texas.

It could be, that with the economy in the shape it is in, people are not actually drinking less, but are drinking at home more and just not going to bars?

I like beer, and for what 3 or 4 beers would cost me at a bar or restaraunt, I can buy a 12 or 24 pack and set at home or go out into the country on a friends property and enjoy myself.

I just do not buy into a decrease in alcohol useage, but a decrease in the number of folks going to bars is probably related to the state of the economy. JMO.

There's a whole lot more to this world than Texas. Actually, I'm a bit surprised because isn't the Lone Star State in the heart of the "Bible Belt?" Don't most evangelical Christian sects forbid, "Demon Rum?"

The economy could have something to do with people staying at home and drinking rather than going out to bars. I have a couple of friends who really like their beer and they do most of their drinking at home. But I think it has more to do with avoiding trouble like an OWI conviction than saving money.

It's hard to gauge the effect of a bad economy because many people just like to get out. They'll find the money somehow. (Lots of folks still go out to restaurants even though it's far cheaper to cook at home.) In any case, according to studies, the trend towards lower per-capita alcohol consuption has been going on for some time - well before the Obama depression.

Like many other things (think politics) alcohol use seems to be going to one extreme or the other. We seem to be headed towards becoming a nation of either hard-core drinkers or tea-toatlers. There's less "middle ground." It used to be you'd find a 6 pack of beer in just about everybody's refrigerator. Now it's either a stack of 30 packs or none at all. Same story with booze.

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There's a whole lot more to this world than Texas. Actually, I'm a bit surprised because isn't the Lone Star State in the heart of the "Bible Belt?" Don't most evangelical Christian sects forbid, "Demon Rum?"

Just goes to show that everything is NOT as it seems.

Lots of good pious upstanding Christians in Texas enjoy "Demon Rum". The problem is, they don't want the folks where they live and practice "THEIR" religion to know about it.

Take another guess as far as Texas is concerned,. and that probably goes the same for ALL the Bible Belt states.

Maybe where you are at there is less middle ground, but where I live and the folks I am aquainted with, there are very few that just do noty drink at all.

Not everyone is a hard core drinker, for lots of folks a glass of wine or beer at supper or a nightcap of some sort before bedtime is really quite common.

I do not go to bars and drink and rarely do Lora and I eat out, and it is simply because of the economy. My guess is a lot of folks are in that same boat.

For what a meal for one of us, including drinks, costs we can buy two meals worth of steaks and veggies to cook at home along with the alcohol.

Also, maybe other states are different, but here in Texas as more towns go wet, the less people go out on the town. they can get their drinks at the store and go home and not have to worry about fights or DWI's.