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Is the buck called BIG BOY the new Texas record buck?WOW! | ||
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And taken on Federal land too, Texas' Record Bow Buck With a final net score of 225 7/8, Jeff Duncan's giant bow buck from last season shatters Texas' previous Pope and Young record for non-typicals. Here's how the hunt went down. By Lynn Burkhead In the end, trophy whitetail deer hunting simply comes down to one basic principle: Be in the right place at the right time and make the shot. Typically, being in that magical right spot when deer hunting fate comes calling is simply a byproduct of making a key hunting decision or two along the way. Never have those words been truer in the state of Texas than they were last fall, when on Sunday, Nov. 4, Sanger bowhunter and part-time taxidermist Jeff Duncan sat perched in a ladder stand at famed Hagerman National Wildlife Refuge. As you might already know, the refuge lies along the southern shores of Lake Texoma in Grayson County - home to some whopper whitetails! By the time the warm, damp autumn evening had concluded, the 40-year-old Georgia Pacific employee had loosed an arrow on the 11,300-acre refuge at a giant of a buck. The results of that shot were heard in deer hunting camps across the state. Before long Duncan's name - and a legendary local buck that had been nicknamed "Big Boy" - would stand at the top of Texas' entries in the Pope and Young record book. Closely watched, photographed, and videotaped by local archers for a decade, Big Boy was indeed a monster buck in every sense. Following the official 2 1/2-hour-long panel scoring session on Jan. 7, 2002 by veteran measurers Jeff Gunnels, Ken Witt, and Bob Carroll, the 26-point non-typical sported an official gross score of 230 6/8 inches and a net of 225 7/8. Those numbers easily make the Duncan buck the new No.1 non-typical king of Texas in Pope and Young listings. The Duncan buck's score handily surpasses the previous P&Y state-record non-typical bow kill, a 214 4/8-inch deer shot in Parker County by George Courtney back in 1991. In addition to being one of the Texas Big Game Awards program's top non-typicals for the 2001-02 season, the Duncan buck also is the third-largest non-typical whitetail ever entered into the TBGA program, which is currently sponsored by the Texas Wildlife Association and the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. Only a 1998 King Ranch gun kill measuring 239 5/8 inches and a 1999 bow kill in East Texas that measured 234 3/8 inches (which has not been entered into the Pope and Young records) are bigger. In addition, the Duncan buck also ranks among the top dozen non-typical bucks ever harvested in Texas with any type of weapon. That's pretty good company considering that the overall state record non-typical is the Benson Buck, a former Boone and Crockett world-record. Killed in 1892 near Brady, the buck scores 284 3/8 points. If those numbers aren't enough to convince you of just how impressive Big Boy really is, then consider that Duncan's deer should also earn a spot on the Pope and Young Club's all-time Top 50 list for non-typical whitetails. In other words, Big Boy really is big - Texas big! Ironically, Duncan's harvest of his fifth archery buck nearly didn't happen. This Texas hunting tale began when Jeff and his hunting partner, Terry Smith, received word in the mail that their applications had been drawn for the Nov. 3-5 special-permit archery hunt at Hagerman NWR. After getting word of his third invitation to the refuge hunt, Duncan and his pal decided to make a quick, one-day scouting trip to their familiar hunting grounds in order to decide exactly where to place their stands. "My buddy Terry Smith and I came up and went in and scouted the area that I had hunted previously," Duncan recalled. "We didn't see a whole lot of sign in there, but it has been a good spot in the past." After their first look-see, Duncan and Smith moved to another part of the refuge to search for big buck sign "We spent several hours down in there and I guess we probably walked about eight miles that day and didn't see a whole lot of sign anywhere we went. So we decided to stick with our first choice," Duncan said. Despite seeing limited sign on the scouting trip, the pair entered their hunt segment with a seemingly solid game plan. After all, Duncan had observed a good 10-point typical on one of his previous two hunting trips to Hagerman. But despite their good game plan, and good hunting spot or not, the mild autumn of 2001 was producing little in the way of daylight deer movement. Two days into their three-day hunt, Duncan and Smith were drawing blanks. "We got in there and set up Saturday morning and didn't see anything," Duncan said. "Like I said, we didn't see much sign and we didn't see any deer. We hunted again Saturday afternoon and didn't see any deer. Going in Saturday, I did jump a couple of does, but those were the only deer that we had seen there. We hunted the same spot on Sunday morning, still with no luck." That's when Duncan and Smith decided to take advantage of some good old-fashioned Texas hospitality extended to them by hunting buddy Dennis Jordan, who was hunting a different area on the sprawling refuge. Jordan extended an invitation for Duncan and Smith to join him in his hunting spot, and the two quickly accepted. "We were not seeing any deer at all and we decided that we needed to make a move," recalled Duncan. And move they did. Terry Smith moved his stand to a location near Jordan, while Duncan went to a spot not far away from where he actually parked his vehicle. Jeff went into the area, quickly scoped it out, and had his ladder stand up against a tree by 1:30 p.m. "It was a really nice looking place, but you could see a long way and I really don't like to do that when I'm bowhunting," recalled Duncan. "You end up seeing deer out there that you can't do anything about. But I really liked the way the place looked." An hour after Duncan settled into his stand, he heard a hunter rattle off in the distance. That was the only thing that he heard for the next two hours. About 4:30 p.m., a group of does finally ambled into view. Unfortunately, the does came in on the downwind side of Duncan's stand location and they started blowing. As he listened to the does' racket filling the woods, it once again appeared that Jeff was destined to climb down out of his tree stand that evening disappointed and with time running out. However, when a hunter's luck changes, it often changes in a big way. In this case, it changed in a Big-Boy way. "I was really surprised that they didn't scare everything out of the country," Duncan said. "I had a doe-in-estrous can call and I turned that thing over a couple of times to try and get those does to settle down and to think maybe there was another deer up there close to where they thought they were smelling something. They settled down a little bit and finally came on through." After calming the does down, Duncan settled back and resumed his vigil. He would not have to wait long. "I guess it was about 10 minutes after that that I heard a crackle behind me," he said. "I turned around and looked behind me and saw the body of this deer going into the brush. I had no clue what it was, just that there was a deer there. I kept watching and it wasn't but just a few seconds before he turned and came out of there." When the deer came out of the brush, Duncan nearly fell out of his stand as the buck of a lifetime walked into view. "As soon as he came out, I saw the drop tines and lots of points up, so I just tried to put that out of my mind. I knew it was the deer that I wanted to shoot." It was also the deer that a number of other hunters had wanted to shoot. Duncan didn't know it at the time, but the buck moving into view was the legendary Big Boy, a huge buck that had taunted local hunters for years. A number of hunters had gotten the monster North Texas buck on video and in still photos over the years, but hunting season brought different challenges. Somehow, the big buck always managed to elude hunters each fall. He disappeared for weeks on end, causing hunters to wonder if the local whitetail king had somehow met his demise. The legendary buck even managed to survive a couple of razor-close encounters with local bowhunters, causing some hunters to wonder if the buck would ever be legally tagged. But as Duncan battled his nerves on that November evening, he and Big Boy were about to make Texas bowhunting history. As the buck approached an opening some 35 yards away from Jeff's stand, the archer knew it was now or never. "When he passed between these two trees, I knew it was either take a shot there or the next time he was going to come out, it was going to be 50 (yards) or better away from me." When the deer stepped into the opening, Duncan grunted with his mouth to get the buck to stop. As the whitetail continued moving, Jeff brought his compound bow to full draw and settled the sight pin on the deer's chest cavity. The bowhunter touched off the shot, sending his carbon arrow and its expandable broadhead toward the target. After the deer bolted, Jeff began to get nervous as he relived the shot, feeling that he had struck the buck a little farther back than he had intended. While confident that his shot was lethal, he couldn't shake the doubts that began to creep in as he replayed the shot over and over in his mind. After climbing down from his stand a short while later, Duncan marked the spot where he had last seen the deer and hiked out of the darkening woods. That's when the visibly shaken hunter met up with local Texas Parks and Wildlife Department game warden Jim Ballard who had been cruising through the area. When they'd waited an hour, Duncan, Ballard, and a group of refuge hunters went back to Jeff's stand to begin trailing the deer. Despite finding the arrow, the trackers lost the blood trail and retreated for more help and additional flashlight power. When Duncan and the search party arrived at the refuge office, they found another local TPWD game warden, Dale Moses, who was already lining up additional help. "The word had already got back that I had shot a really big deer with drop tines and stuff, so they thought it was probably Big Boy," Duncan said. "They already had a big list of volunteers to go back in and find him, so we loaded up with lots of flashlights and went back in there." The group of trackers quickly picked up Big Boy's blood trail only to lose it again. That's when local bowhunters Mike Corzine and Randy Jones broke from the pack. About 40 yards from the group of anxious searchers, Corzine's voice rang out. "Mike walked up on him, and I heard him say, 'I've got him up here,' " Duncan recalled. "Somebody else said, 'Is it him?' And he said, 'Yeah, it's him!' " When Duncan walked up on the fallen monarch that had tantalized local hunters for the past decade, he felt a mixture of sadness and elation as the final chapter closed on this buck of nearly mythical status. After a decade of life spent surviving videos, photographs, recovered shed antlers, and near misses, the king of the Grayson County woods was finally dead. Big Boy had been tagged and Duncan was the fortunate hunter who tagged him. "I really thought I was dreaming," Jeff said. "I kept telling Terry, 'Pinch me; make sure that I'm awake.' I just never in my wildest dreams ever thought that I would end up with something like this up here." The legendary buck even impressed Hagerman NWR assistant manager and biologist Rick Cantu. "It's amazing; that's all you can say. There are tines sticking out everywhere. It's a magnificent deer." In the days that followed his hunt, Duncan was somewhat amused by his sudden celebrity status. Several dozen onlookers gathered the next morning at the refuge as the deer was weighed, aged at 10 1/2 years, and photographed after a night in a locker plant. A day later, another crowd of onlookers and outdoors writers gathered at the Hunter's Choice deer processing plant in Sanger as the buck received an initial green score of slightly more than 230 inches. Even more onlookers gathered in early January to witness the official scoring session that put Big Boy's final net numbers at 225 7/8. "Big whitetails! They do attract a lot of attention," said a smiling Duncan. "It's a special animal, and to be able to harvest one like this...? It's the highlight of my hunting career - and I've been hunting since I was just a little kid in Alabama. This is by far the best animal that I've had the opportunity to get up close and personal with." But Duncan's good fortune doesn't surprise his biggest fan, his wife Leslie. "He's very intelligent and understands nature and the deer," she said. "For him to get this gift, I know God gave him a little extra blessing. I've considered him a world-class deer hunter and now he's got the deer to prove it." So just exactly how does Duncan plan to improve on his most recent hunting season? Well, while he still intends to put in for the Hagerman NWR hunts, he admits he'll probably never top his experience there last November. "I don't think this can be topped," Jeff said. "I couldn't think of anything that would top this." FOR YOUR INFORMATION Hagerman NWR, where Jeff Duncan arrowed Big Boy last November, is an 11,300-acre waterfowl refuge on the southern shore of Lake Texoma. The refuge, which opens approximately 3,700 acres for special permit archery-only hunts each fall, lies in Grayson County northwest of Denison. The refuge was established in 1946 for migratory waterfowl, but has offered limited archery deer hunts since 1984. In a typical year, the refuge hosts about 90 hunters for each of the three November hunts. Those hunters harvest as many as two dozen deer each fall, including bucks and does. Would-be bowhunters must pass an International Bowhunter Education Program safety course. In addition, hunters must also pass an annual shooting proficiency test with a score of 80 percent or better on a 14-target 3-D archery course. Finally, hunters must submit the appropriate application, proof of IBEP completion, and their shooting proficiency results on an official scorecard. After all that, they can begin hoping they get selected to hunt by the random computer drawing. For more information, contact the refuge office at (903) 786-2826. | |||
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Hagerman produces some huge Deer. I hunted Ducks and geese by the refuge through high school, saw 1 deer in all that time. It is a bow only area. What is funny is the rest of the county does not have a deer season. There were not enough Deer in the county to have a season. Things may have changed in the past few years, but I still think there is no deer season in Grayson County. Dang nice deer that guy got. | |||
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An exceptional Trophy Buck. Good thing he had all the help tracking it down, or the Coyotes might have been the only ones to enjoy it. | |||
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Do all Texas white tailed bucks get named? If so, why? | |||
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Fjold wrote:
Well, it it would have been from California, it would have had an ear-RING... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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This should read as follows:
Never use a cat's arse to hold a tea-towel. | |||
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The added line of Irish Paul into text by Lynn Burkhead (In the end, Texas trophy whitetail deer hunting simply comes down to one basic principle: Be at the right feeder at feeding time and make the shot.....) is anything but humorous. This terrific buck WAS NOT killed over any feeder. Many Texans do not hunt this way (over feeders). Spot and stalk is how I prefer to hunt. But to each his own. And as to those who frown at the feeders, let me say this: Many folks in the midwest hunt agriculture fields. In Canada, you generally sit over a pile of alfalfa. In the arrid regions, a common strategy is to hunt over water. For bear, you hunt a bait pile. So why the big deal about feeders??? How is that so different from planting and hunting over a food plot? Again, I don't hunt that way, but I won't bash someone for their personal choice, either. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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thats a dog ass ugly rack. bunch of points or not, i'd take a tall wide 8-10 pointer over that bugger anyday. but thats my preference. | |||
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Are you saying that you would not Kill it and wait on a Deer with a set of Typical antlers? | |||
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no, im not saying that at all. i;m saying that if it were standing side by side with a high thick 10 point with the same spread and body i would shoot the 10. i much prefer this... | |||
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Great Trophy Buck that pretty young lady got. She needs to pocket the watch or get a non-reflective one if she doesn't want to scare away the BIG ones though. Fortunately for those of us that Hunt the Lowcountry, we can take multiple Bucks. So, if they both walked out at the same time, I'd just go on and Kill "bof`um(both of them for the YANKEES). Good Hunting and clean 1-shot Kills. | |||
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Yeppers, that particular YOUNG lady could wear any watch she wants to hunt. She has hunted around the world at such an early age. Too bad she takes away so much from the smallish buck she took on Daddy's ranch - yes, in Texas! | |||
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No offense Bobby, but most folks I met while living in Texas had a sense of humour. My remark was intended as a joke, sorry if it caused offense! As to hunting over a feeder, manys the time I wished it was legal in California (especially for pigs), but let's be honest, it's not really hunting. And an awful lot of people do it where legal. Never use a cat's arse to hold a tea-towel. | |||
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Paul- Sorry if I mistook your post. In this forum, there have been so many swipes taken at Texas hunting recently that I guess I've grown a little sensitive about it. Of course, most of those guilty of that have never even set foot in the state. Anyway, my apologies... Bobby Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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ya'll are still legally allowed to call it hunting? | |||
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If you were from Oklahoma you would shoot both. If you were from Louisiana, you would shoot both, sell the horns, then shoot an eagle for an appetizer... | |||
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uh, yes we are, it's call freedom of speech. Did ya'll give up that right? | |||
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not yet, but we also dont call shooting deer in a pen "hunting". | |||
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Don't waste your breathe on KSTEPHENS. He absolutely has it in for Texas hunting and can't be reasoned with. Irrational rantings and blurbs without logic -- not to mention frequent racial slurs -- are part of his psychological makeup. Don't believe me? Check out one of his posts below: written by KSTEPHENS "North Charleston looks like the set of a Tarzan movie. you found a story about a shit head nigger shooting another shithead nigger and his family" ------- Maybe that explains part of his disdain for Texas. He knows his crap would not be put up with over here and can't stand to think that he would not be welcomed. So don't waste your time replying to him. He's not worth it... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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an 11,300 acre national wildlife refuge is a "pen"? | |||
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I guess I'm confused . . Why is this a story now? Wasn't that deer shot in 2005? JDS And so if you meet a hunter who has been to Africa, and he tells you what he has seen and done, watch his eyes as he talks. For they will not see you. They will see sunrises and sunsets such as you cannot imagine, and a land and a way of life that is fast vanishing. And always he will will tell you how he plans to go back. (author: David Petzer) | |||
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theres a guy in GA that grows 5 pound bream as well. i dont figure he'd be allowed to drop a line in one of his ponds and enter the fish in the state record books. maybe in TX. and for the record i have always like TX, with the obvious exeption of the Dallas FT Worth airport. I just get sick of ya'lls inferiority disorder that requires you to need to prove Tx has the biggest this or that. Furthermore when you act like someone did something special when they killed a big buck in a wildlife refuge with 600 acres+ of farmed food and arranged habitat. | |||
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Fjold is dead-on-the-money. The ear-tag was no doubt removed prior to the photo-op. In Texas recognition should go to the farm that raises the buck rather than the shooter who harvests it. The numbers are meaningless. Boone & Crockett both would be embarrassed probably. By the way, I've lived in Texas more years than most. The only people interested in the B&C numbers anymore are the naive, the yuppie "hunters", hunters with low self-esteem, and hunters from back east. I did note this week that Texas Farm & Ranch acknowledged that Canadian/Texas crosses are now available for stocking. (Buy a copy of Texas Trophies. I suspect that buck in the photo is also in the book, ear tag and all.) Deer hunting is heading down a sad, dead-end road; at least as those of us knew it back in the day. | |||
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Ear tags??? Give me a break. Hagerman is 11,000+ acres. It certainly isn't a "pen." By the way, the deer in the photos below were photographed on state-managed property. Do they have ear tags??? Kensco, if you actually spent time in Texas, I would have thought you'd have acquired at least some knowledge on the subject, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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#1 Hagerman has 600 acres of farmed crops that are never harvested they are for the sole consuption of the wildlife. #2 thos little deer in your "protected" pics are a long way from that monster buck, for an obvious reason. | |||
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Those "little" deer are simply the first photos I pulled from the files. I never said they were "trophy: animals, though a couple of them would certainly get the attention of most hunters. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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KSTEPHENS wrote:
And South Carolina has thousands of acres of bean fields and other agricultral items all over the state. That means YOU are hunting baited deer, right? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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i dont hunt bean fields or land anywere near that part of the state. but those fields are harvested for the beans and not grown withing the confines of a refuge for the sole purpose of feeding deer to be killed. | |||
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nice little deer. | |||
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so perhaps you could share with us, oh great one, where, and more importantly HOW you hunt, so that we might learn at your knee...what the "right" techniques are.. | |||
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To his way of thinking, if there's any browse for the deer or water to drink, that's a pen-raised animal -- no matter if the browse is naturally-occurring or not. That only leaves one place for KSTEPHENS to hunt: the supermarket. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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what you want to do first is set up some salt/ mineral licks, then some corn feeders then plant a few hundred acres of food plots inside your fenced refuge area. then your gonna need 2-3 dozen trail cameras and a good number of 20 foot tripod blinds. now what you want to do is wash yourself in scent free soap, use it on your boots too and clothes. put on your scent blacker apparel when you get to the stand. now make sure your 300 WSSM is zeroed with your super duper geterkilled bullets. when you see a deer your gonna need to range him with your range finder. check the distance against your kestrel weather maching, dial in you disatnce and windage on you super tacticl mark 40 lightweight fluted honey comb anti NV detecting illuminated reticle scope and wait for him to come out into the food plot or water trough or corn feeder. after tracking the deer from the trucks 1mill candle powered scope because youll want to remove the ear tag or radio collar or whatever before calling the TX state BIG ASS BUCKS magazine for the write up. sound about right TeX? | |||
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i don't care who you are, that is kinda funny.... | |||
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yeah, that sounds about the way I thought you would hunt. Since the last couple of times I was invited to hunt in South Carolina, they sat my butt down in a tripod or tower blind where I could watch a feeder or a road covered with corn. Guess that's how they teach you to do it over there. | |||
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Gentlemen, my comment was also a joke. I don't hate Texas and I will be there next month hunting. As a matter of fact I will be hunting a high fence ranch southwest of San Antonio. We will be there hunting a three day weekend over planted crop fields so I will not be submitting any of the dove that I shoot for trophy consideration. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Fjold wrote:
Now THAT is funny... However, Frank, be sure and bring enough gun. Those whitewings can be aggressive and quite dangerous if wounded... Seriously, though, good luck on your hunt! Bobby Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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come upstate, be prepared to belly crawl and dont bother with optics. | |||
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