Just curious what the general opinion is or if anyone watches the show on National Geographic TV about Game Wardens. I've only seen one episode and it dealt with a CA Warden who seemed pretty professional and fair.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Wild Justice is the name, just realized that.

I think wild justice is the best one.

The only thing I don't like about that show is how they portray hunters at times. Seems like everybody is guilty until proven innocent. Especially with the warden that claims that he is the "last line of defense" and that without him there would be "no more wildlife".

Some of the other wardens seem like good guys that genuinely care about the sport of hunting, the hunters and the animals

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The only thing I don't like about that show is how they portray hunters at times. Seems like everybody is guilty until proven innocent. Especially with the warden that claims that he is the "last line of defense" and that without him there would be "no more wildlife".

That seems to be a growing attitude among all of the various Law Enforcement Agencies nationwide over the past 20 years or so. That is just my opinion, but it seems like the younger officers, Gw's/GMO's etc.etc. seem to approach situations from a more militaristic attitude than in the past. Again JMO.

Drummond,
I heard that line also. I say that without conservation paid for with taxes that hunters pay there would be no more wildlife, or at least not as much of it.

They are probably just playing things up for the camera but if they tried to treat me like they do some of those people one of us would get our ass kicked. A couple of them are real power hungry little boogers.

I loved the one where they hid in the bushes off some logging road in northern Maine to catch grouse hunters that loaded their shotguns before getting out of the truck. Great work guys.

I agree that there's good and bad ones.....but if the bad ones only knew how many adversaries rather than advocates they create with their bad attitudes. There are still some of us out there that don't tolerate being treated like shit by someone with a badge. I always start out respectful and take it from there.

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The only thing I don't like about that show is how they portray hunters at times. Seems like everybody is guilty until proven innocent. Especially with the warden that claims that he is the "last line of defense" and that without him there would be "no more wildlife".

That seems to be a growing attitude among all of the various Law Enforcement Agencies nationwide over the past 20 years or so. That is just my opinion, but it seems like the younger officers, Gw's/GMO's etc.etc. seem to approach situations from a more militaristic attitude than in the past. Again JMO.

I could not agree more

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Originally posted by Ryan Campbell:
Drummond,
I heard that line also. I say that without conservation paid for with taxes that hunters pay there would be no more wildlife, or at least not as much of it.

This is a fact! I think that some Wardens forget that they work FOR US and that without us they wouldnt have a job

It's funny how many people think that they are indispensible in whatever job they have, but when they retire or die it seems like life always goes on, LOL!

I spent 26 years on the job as an Alabama Game Warden, retired in 05'. In those 26 years the job changed dramatically...mostly for the worse.

Assaults on GWs have always been high, and getting worse. I taught self defense and all firearms training, seems ya need more and more training to do the job and live to go back home. Two wardens in my time didn't make it back hom. One shot by a night hunter and another by a meth head. Seems ya just can't get away from the drugs and the dangerous folks involved in the trade.

Throw in working alone and no backup for a good while, if at all and the job gets harder. I personally arrested dozens of drug users and two bank robbers with warrants on them. I got shot at and rammed by a truck on purpose, driver charged with attempted murder.

I led the state in year arrests for seven straight years...and gave at least as many verbal warnings as tickets. I made good solid cases and had a better than 95% conviction record.

"Most" of the wardens I worked with were hard working, good men, well liked by the hunting public. But the laid back good old boy days are gone and not likely to return.

I agree with most of ya'll about the Tv shows...but then I don't like most reality shows because they don't show reality!!!

troy

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
I think that some Wardens forget that they work FOR US and that without us they wouldnt have a job

I have a lot of sympathy for wardens, considering their jobs and lack of backup.

If a few have bad attitudes, my feeling is that it shows bad leadership at the top, meaning on the Federal level.

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If a few have bad attitudes, my feeling is that it shows bad leadership at the top, meaning on the Federal level.

Not all of our GW's work for the Feds. all of the states have their own GW's.

From my experience, one rarely has a run-in with a Federal Officer, normally it is with a state officer and some f those folks are too willing to make a judgement call instead of weighing the facts.

Scratch what I stated, DTala has it nailed down

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Originally posted by DTala:
I made good solid cases and had a better than 95% conviction record.

This is one area that troubles me. Recently I have seen Game Wardens take cases to the DA that had no substance. I had a friend recently that had to fight 3 charges against him and there was literally no evidence. The DA wasn't a hunter and the game warden helped with the prosecution and basically sold the DA that he had a case. He didn't. It was 3 straight days of testimony, some of the prosecutions witnesses helped my friends case. One of the witnesses was a former game warden and he testified that he told my friend to fight these charges because there was no evidence that he had done anything wrong and he was the game warden that did the initial investigation.

Long story short, it was 30 plus hours of trial and about uan hour for the jury to come back with a "not guilty" verdict. The court reporter congratulated my friend and said that the trial was a giant waste of every bodies time.

It was DISGUSTING that the game warden ever even took this to the DA! It cost my friend over $30,000 to defend himself and there are no consequences for the game warden

Game Wardens like that cast a dark shadow over the position just as poachers do to our sport

In general, there is a huge diference between a state and a federal warden......... Let me start by saying some of my best friends are texas game wardens and I have never recieved a citation for a game violation anywhere...

I have had interactions with state wardens in texas, florida, south dakota, north dakota, alaska, colorado, and one from wioming (but it was at a bar in south dakota) and once in saskatchewan all have been positive and I have allways walked away thinking what nice guys they were...

I have had interactions with two feds, once in texas and once in north dakota, I am sorry to say neither of those interactions was very positive... I did not recieve a ticket either time, however it seemed that they both hated their jobs, were on a power trip, and generally just wanted to make trouble....

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Originally posted by DTala:
I made good solid cases and had a better than 95% conviction record.

This is one area that troubles me. Recently I have seen Game Wardens take cases to the DA that had no substance. I had a friend recently that had to fight 3 charges against him and there was literally no evidence. The DA wasn't a hunter and the game warden helped with the prosecution and basically sold the DA that he had a case. He didn't. It was 3 straight days of testimony, some of the prosecutions witnesses helped my friends case. One of the witnesses was a former game warden and he testified that he told my friend to fight these charges because there was no evidence that he had done anything wrong and he was the game warden that did the initial investigation.

Long story short, it was 30 plus hours of trial and about uan hour for the jury to come back with a "not guilty" verdict. The court reporter congratulated my friend and said that the trial was a giant waste of every bodies time.

It was DISGUSTING that the game warden ever even took this to the DA! It cost my friend over $30,000 to defend himself and there are no consequences for the game warden

Game Wardens like that cast a dark shadow over the position just as poachers do to our sport

I agree 100%.....that is a travesty of justice for your friend (other than being found not guilty). Countless Federal cases are decided on BS testimony from losers in orange jumpsuits all the time that get deals for "cooperating". You're guilty until proven innocent much of the time with them....and there is ZERO recourse for them.

If I knew a man had done a major violation and I didn't have enough evidence to win in court, then I'd just do more investigating to get the hard evidence. A lot of GWs won't dig for hard evidence to get the conviction. If they don't see it happen they go on. A lot of bad guys slip thru the cracks that way.

Drummond, I hate your friend went thru that. It comes from lazy GWs that won't look at what they have and either let it go or do more work on the case. I hate a bad arrest as much as you do.

I walked away from a partner I had that was, and did, arrest four hunters for a minor violation he didn't see happen and had no hard evidence of it happening. I told the men to fight it in District court because it was a bad case. They went to court and pled out and paid a fine.

I've spent literally months working on an out of season, night hunting kill to finally get the evidence to arrest the poacher. Poachers really hate getting arrested on a warrant months after they figure they got by with a crime.

Dtala,

There was no evidence because no crime had been committed. As I stated, the game warden that did the initial investigation testified as prosecution witness that he told my friend to "sell the farm" to fight these charges because there was no evidence to indicate a crime was committed.

Here's another one for you and I have never publicly discussed this but I was charged with 4 criminal charges about 5 years ago. I had to retain an attorney and fight the charges and the judge ended up throwing the charges out of court. Here's the kicker, I WAS NOT EVEN IN THAT STATE when these alleged crimes were committed, I was in Texas burying my father who had died suddenly and was literally euligizing him at his funeral! The game wardens knew this but still proceeded, they even had his death certificate and obituary in a discovery of evidence against me. I was basically collateral damage as their prime focus was one one individual in that area we were hunting, they filed charges on 6 people at the same time and the only person convicted of any wrongdoing was the only person that had done anything wrong and he was an employee of that states game and fish department. I could go on but I'll just get more pissed.

Needless to say, I've had some horrible interactions with some real assholes that called themselves game wardens. It's sad because I know a damn good one in one of the areas I hunt in CO and everytime I see his truck I get pissed. It's not his fault and I genuinely believe he is a good game warden but I don't trust any of em because of the things I've seen and been through with em

That's why when I watch these shows and see the wardens treat people like they are guilty until proven innocent and say things like they are "hunters of men" and that "without them there would be no more wildlife" it makes me want to puke. I heard an interview with coach John Calipari once and he said that when putting together a team he was looking for character guys. He said you could take a bucket of shit and add a little ice cream and it didn't change what you had, you still just had a bucket of shit. He then went on to say that you could have a big bucket of the best ice cream in the world and add a piece of shit and it completely changed the dynamics of what you have. This holds true in everything but with some states and their game wardens I'm beginning to wonder if we are starting with a bucket of ice cream or a bucket of shit.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
He said you could take a bucket of shit and add a little ice cream and it didn't change what you had, you still just had a bucket of shit. He then went on to say that you could have a big bucket of the best ice cream in the world and add a piece of shit and it completely changed the dynamics of what you have. This holds true in everything but with some states and their game wardens I'm beginning to wonder if we are starting with a bucket of ice cream or a bucket of shit.

Don't worry about bringing the dessert when you come up for the BBQ. I don't want to have to go CSI on the Rocky Road.

I can easily understand you point of view, but I promise you all of us, at least in Alabama, aren't assholes.

I had a major run in with a New Mexico GW several years ago bear hunting. He didn't like the Co guide I had and took every opp to harass him and any clients with him. He stopped at a spring as we loaded water for camp, before the hunt started. He made a bunch of allegations of illegal hunting against the guide and then TOLD me to produce my hunting license, me with no gun or hunting clothes. I told him to pound sand or show me the law that said I had to have a hunting license to load a water jug on the side of a highway. He left.

When we killed a bear and went to him to get it tagged and a tooth pulled he said he didn't have any tags. Told us to drive to Albequerqe to get it tagged. No way to get there before closing. I told the USFS Ranger that was with us we could just put the skin in his freezer. The asshat GW told me he would put my ass in jail where the drunks would have their way with me!!! WTH?

I told him in no uncertain terms that I would stomp his ass if he tried any such thing and we left to put the skin in a freezer.

We did the exact same thing the next day when my partner killed a bear. Same exact dialogue, word for word.

I called the Director of NM Game and Fish when we got back to Alabama and raised hell about the way we were treated by him. The Director apologized for his actions. The GW got fired within six months of this incident, I hope I made it happen some....

Some folks don't need to carry a badge and gun for a living.

troy

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Originally posted by DTala:
I can easily understand you point of view, but I promise you all of us, at least in Alabama, aren't assholes.

I had a major run in with a New Mexico GW several years ago bear hunting. He didn't like the Co guide I had and took every opp to harass him and any clients with him. He stopped at a spring as we loaded water for camp, before the hunt started. He made a bunch of allegations of illegal hunting against the guide and then TOLD me to produce my hunting license, me with no gun or hunting clothes. I told him to pound sand or show me the law that said I had to have a hunting license to load a water jug on the side of a highway. He left.

When we killed a bear and went to him to get it tagged and a tooth pulled he said he didn't have any tags. Told us to drive to Albequerqe to get it tagged. No way to get there before closing. I told the USFS Ranger that was with us we could just put the skin in his freezer. The asshat GW told me he would put my ass in jail where the drunks would have their way with me!!! WTH?

I told him in no uncertain terms that I would stomp his ass if he tried any such thing and we left to put the skin in a freezer.

We did the exact same thing the next day when my partner killed a bear. Same exact dialogue, word for word.

I called the Director of NM Game and Fish when we got back to Alabama and raised hell about the way we were treated by him. The Director apologized for his actions. The GW got fired within six months of this incident, I hope I made it happen some....

Some folks don't need to carry a badge and gun for a living.

troy

Troy,

New Mexico is where I had my problem as well. It is a corrupt state.

I know that not everybody is an asshole but its just tough to get past the ones that are.

Here is another problem that I have. I can see how people would look at me now and simply say "where there is smoke there is fire" but I have not broken any game laws. I go so far as to set my watch so I know exactly when legal shooting hours start and end. I helped a friend a couple years back on a public land hunt and he tried to give me gas money for coming back to help him and I would not accept it. I told him that he could not even buy me lunch as a game warden might consider that compensation and try to get me for illegal guiding. That happened to a different friend of mine years back when a friend of his bought him Taco Bell and the game warden cited him for illegal guiding and said that the Taco Bell meal was his "compensation". He beat that charge.

In my case as well as in the case with my buddy the game wardens produced magazines and DVD's that had us in it or had articles we had written in them and I thought it was odd.

Its a shame that these types of charges are ever filed and that the DA's even take them. As I stated earlier there are a lot of DA's that dont hunt and really rely on the GW's to help them out. I think that the Game Wardens that file these charges do their best to beat you mentally and financially and pray that you'll just plea it out and they can chalk it up as a win. Its a damn shame.

To you and others that do their job with integrity, THANK YOU and I'm sorry that I feel the way that I do but thats what happens I guess when you have such bad experiences with a couple of dick heads with a badge

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Here's another one for you and I have never publicly discussed this but I was charged with 4 criminal charges about 5 years ago.

I recall you and I having a phone conversation on this shortly after it occurred but don't recall what they tried to nail you with at the time. Heck, I don't even remember what you were hunting. Was it pronghorns??

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Originally posted by Outdoor Writer:

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Here's another one for you and I have never publicly discussed this but I was charged with 4 criminal charges about 5 years ago.

I recall you and I having a phone conversation on this shortly after it occurred but don't recall what they tried to nail you with at the time. Heck, I don't even remember what you were hunting. Was it pronghorns??

I was due to hunt deer but had not yet gotten the chance before I got the call that my dad had died suddenly. He had a massive stroke.

While I was gone a former friend of mine that worked for fish and game at the time shot a deer and put my tag on it and so it began. The game wardens knew I wasnt there but filed charges anyway

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Some folks don't need to carry a badge and gun for a living.

The real problem, is that there are some folks, that should never be in any position of authority, period. Does not matter if it is as an LEO, a shift foreman/supervisor in a factory, or a moderator on an internet forum. There are still Hobbits living among us and if given even the tiniest amount of authority simply cannot keep themselves from abusing it.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
While I was gone a former friend of mine that worked for fish and game at the time shot a deer and put my tag on it and so it began. The game wardens knew I wasnt there but filed charges anyway

Geez, some friend.

I guess the ones who charged you were just a bit suspicious, as I would be if you were gone and someone else had your tag in his pocket.

So your former friend actually worked for the New Mexico game department???? Was it some sort of sting then that he was part of? What were you charged with??

drummondlindsey, somehow I'm not surprised that you had trouble in NM. I've had several interactions with NM Game and Fish folks and none of them were pleasant.

When we took out bears to be tagged on leaving at the Game and Fish office we arrived at 11:40 and were told the office was "closed" and the biologists were "gone to lunch". I could see several of them in the back office sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.

We waited outside till 12:45 when an enforcement officer drove up. I approached him with our problem, identified myself as an Alabama officer. He got the forms, tagged the two bears and we were on the road in ten minutes. Damn, that pissed me off to have to wait an hour for that. total asshats, except for the last guy.

troy

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
While I was gone a former friend of mine that worked for fish and game at the time shot a deer and put my tag on it and so it began. The game wardens knew I wasnt there but filed charges anyway

Geez, some friend.

I guess the ones who charged you were just a bit suspicious, as I would be if you were gone and someone else had your tag in his pocket.

So your former friend actually worked for the New Mexico game department???? Was it some sort of sting then that he was part of? What were you charged with??

They were investigating everybody associated with a different individual and we were caught up in it. He had my tag because he took it from camp. When my dad died I left everything there and flew home.

I'll have to look up exactly what the charges were but one was "illegal possession of an untagged game animal" which was odd to me because I never even saw it, much less possessed it.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
They were investigating everybody associated with a different individual and we were caught up in it. He had my tag because he took it from camp. When my dad died I left everything there and flew home.

I'll have to look up exactly what the charges were but one was "illegal possession of an untagged game animal" which was odd to me because I never even saw it, much less possessed it.

Sounds like the former friend actually intended to break the law then by using your tag on his kill, right, and he wasn't an integral part of the investigation?

Did the "different individual" and the former friend get nailed along with you?

That charge of possession sounds a bit goofy to me, too, at least in your case. Would be a strange charge against the former friend, as well since he had tagged the deer, albeit with your tag. If the charge were worded as "illegal possession of an an illegally tagged game animal," it would make more sense.

So have you returned to NM to hunt after that incident?

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
They were investigating everybody associated with a different individual and we were caught up in it. He had my tag because he took it from camp. When my dad died I left everything there and flew home.

I'll have to look up exactly what the charges were but one was "illegal possession of an untagged game animal" which was odd to me because I never even saw it, much less possessed it.

Sounds like the former friend actually intended to break the law then by using your tag on his kill, right, and he wasn't an integral part of the investigation?

Did the "different individual" and the former friend get nailed along with you?

That charge of possession sounds a bit goofy to me, too, at least in your case. Would be a strange charge against the former friend, as well since he had tagged the deer, albeit with your tag. If the charge were worded as "illegal possession of an an illegally tagged game animal," it would make more sense.

So have you returned to NM to hunt after that incident?

I don't know what his intentions were, he'd have to answer that. I have not been back and don't have any plans to do so. Game and Fish filed charges on 6 people total and the only person that was found guilty of committing a crime was their employee

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
I don't know what his intentions were, he'd have to answer that. I have not been back and don't have any plans to do so. Game and Fish filed charges on 6 people total and the only person that was found guilty of committing a crime was their employee

Any idea if he lost his job or his NM hunting privileges as a result?

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
I don't know what his intentions were, he'd have to answer that. I have not been back and don't have any plans to do so. Game and Fish filed charges on 6 people total and the only person that was found guilty of committing a crime was their employee

Any idea if he lost his job or his NM hunting privileges as a result?

Yes he did, if I am not mistaken he actually resigned before being fired but he wasn't going to retain his job. He lost his hunting rights for 3 years

Game wardens are just like anyone else. Some nice,some assholes.I have dealt with a few of the assholes,but the majority were good guys just trying to do their job.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Yes he did, if I am not mistaken he actually resigned before being fired but he wasn't going to retain his job. He lost his hunting rights for 3 years

It would have been a real sham if he was allowed to stay on.

So none of the other five people were charged and found guilty of any violation that might have resulted in a fine and/or hunting privilege suspension?

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Yes he did, if I am not mistaken he actually resigned before being fired but he wasn't going to retain his job. He lost his hunting rights for 3 years

It would have been a real sham if he was allowed to stay on.

So none of the other five people were charged and found guilty of any violation that might have resulted in a fine and/or hunting privilege suspension?

The other 5 of us were all charged with criminally violating game laws of some sort or another. None of the criminal charges resulted in a guilty plea or verdict and none of the criminal charges resulted in a revocation for any of us

Call me anytime if you would like to discuss it further. I didn't mean to sidetrack the thread regarding the TV show on NatGeo. I just wanted to give a little I sight as to a disturbing trend that I've seen and the correlation to that particular show

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
The other 5 of us were all charged with criminally violating game laws of some sort or another. None of the criminal charges resulted in a guilty plea or verdict and none of the criminal charges resulted in a revocation for any of us

Right, I had noted the word parsing with "crime" and "criminal" in several replies and how it appears to be an important qualifier.

But the question was: So none of the other five people were charged and found guilty of any violation that might have resulted in a fine and/or hunting privilege suspension?

The word "any" includes both criminal and civil violations that result in fines or hunting privilege revocations. So to exclude any would be somewhat disengenuous, eh?

Anyway, no need to go any further with it. Back to our regularly scheduled programing -- the original thread topic.

Dtala - Let me first apologize to you personally before I rattle on, as I know you can never lump everyone into the same catagory. But, at least here in the west - where Drummond and I have guided/outfitted/hunted for over 20 yrs in multiple states, rarely do I place a GW much higher on the pedastal than the local child molester!! I will say that I deal with two of them in eastern, CO right now - that I must say are good guys, but other than that, its a pretty rare thing. I too have been a licensed outfitter in NM for well over 10 yrs, and a guide/outfitter here in CO for over 20 yrs. Honestly, I've never/ever had a run-in with GW's in NM, but your story does not surprise me. GW's without question have with greater frequency, a desire to "nail" those of us in the biz, rather than just your local home builder who's out deer hunting for the weekend? I've always attributed it to jealousy, but that's JMO.

The "friend" that Drummond mentions, has also been a friend of mine for over 10 yrs. We have personally hunted together many times, and I have rarely seen a more ethical/legal hunter than him. He is however, like Drummomd and a few of the guys I hunt with regularly, a real killer. Over the past 10 yrs he has killed some of the biggest mule deer in the state of CO, and one I am positive is the biggest typical killed in this state in the past 30 yrs. He's gained an un-wanted reputation for always killing BIG animals, and thus, has somehow put a target on his back for GW's looking for something to do. His case was so pathetic, that Drummond's attempt to portray it as pathetic fails miserably. Only because, no amount of explanation could possibly explain the degree to which this case was based on false accusations, insinuations, flat out lies by LEO's, and on and on. And, just like Drum and our friend - its at one time or another happened to several others I know personally. When you see this sort of thing happen with some frequency, it becomes very easy to share the position of total hatred for GW's, and their horrible attempt at ruining people's lives with ZERO evidence or facts to prove their case! And yes, when you consider to stiff penalties that are assessed for some of these offenses these days, a single conviction can ruin one's life. 3-5 yrs in prison, loss of your job, and a felony conviction is pretty serious. Serious enough that LE should in turn face prosecution for such pathetic/fabricated cases. If they did, perhaps they would as you say - persue the facts a bit more, before recommending the case be prosecuted by the D.A. But at the end of the day, what do they have to lose - NOTHING!!! They just go home to the wife/kids, and carry on like nothing ever happened. Yet our friend spent over $30k on his defense, faced a felony conviction - which would have got him fired from his job as a Fire Fighter/Medic, and prevented him from ever again getting a good job, loss of his life-time trophy (big horn sheep), etc, etc. Then, the jury took less than 1 hr to find him NOT guilty on all charges! The justice system only provides justice for those that never have to participate in it, and LEO's hold way too much power with ZERO accountability for their mis-leading/false info they provide to the prosecutor. But, that's JMO.

Just an opinion here, but LEO's across the board, for what ever reason seem to have developed or been brain washed with the idea that they are fighting a war and everyone is their enemy.

Gone are the days when the GW in the field enforced the Intent of the laws and has been replaced with people trying to enforce the Letter Of The Law and Their interpretation of that law.

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Originally posted by DTala:
I made good solid cases and had a better than 95% conviction record.

This is one area that troubles me. Recently I have seen Game Wardens take cases to the DA that had no substance. I had a friend recently that had to fight 3 charges against him and there was literally no evidence. The DA wasn't a hunter and the game warden helped with the prosecution and basically sold the DA that he had a case. He didn't. It was 3 straight days of testimony, some of the prosecutions witnesses helped my friends case. One of the witnesses was a former game warden and he testified that he told my friend to fight these charges because there was no evidence that he had done anything wrong and he was the game warden that did the initial investigation.

Long story short, it was 30 plus hours of trial and about uan hour for the jury to come back with a "not guilty" verdict. The court reporter congratulated my friend and said that the trial was a giant waste of every bodies time.

It was DISGUSTING that the game warden ever even took this to the DA! It cost my friend over $30,000 to defend himself and there are no consequences for the game warden

Game Wardens like that cast a dark shadow over the position just as poachers do to our sport

In general, I am politically conservative, but I have to tell you I am disgusted by the fact the state can bring unlimited resources to bear on a defendant who might have limited resources.

Personally, I have never been a defendant (or plaintiff) but I am convinced the system is patently unfair - and one reason I refuse to sit on a jury.