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Was thinking of staying with the 150 grain Winchester Power Points because of the velocity and penetration I'm getting on Deer, but willing to listen to suggestions? Should I move up to 170's or stay with 150's and go to a premium bullet? Shots will be under 200 yards. If the 30/30 doesn't seem like enough gun I can move up to a 30/40 Krag. | ||
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If I was going to Alaska to hunt moose and bear I would beg, borrow or steal something with a little more power and energy than a 30-30 or 30-40 Krag. I have heard stories of moose being killed with 22 Hornet but that was by native meat hunters and not by folks spending a fair amount of money to go hunting for a limited amount of time. With proper shot placement and short range there is no doubt that the 30-30 can get the job done but why would you want to do so? Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Because he wants too and is confident that he can. Are you paying for the hunt or funeral? If the answer is No, than he should go ahead with his game plan. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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locals i know are using the 170 grains but it s only for grizzly dont know about brown bear. | |||
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I doubt seriously that the OP is going to find any guide/outfitter that will take him on a brown bear hunt with a 30-30 regardless of what bullets he wants to use! | |||
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Move up to 348 win. 250 grn. bullets. | |||
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Heck they take them out with pistols and sticks and strings. Laid down the money and they well take him. | |||
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I would go with the heaviest bonded bullet available for the 30-30 choose my shot carefully and work that lever until the bear is down. Sounds like a cool hunt...Good Luck! | |||
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It can be done, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xZsgwPlLM0 As for bullet choice, go for something that creates a ton of trauma and penetrates deeply, backed up with a solid. [/QUOTE] Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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We are all entitled to our own opinion, but will all due respect, that is the LAST bullet that I would use on an Alaskan Brown Bear with a 30-30! A super-light for caliber, high velocity, semi-fragmented bullet....no way! It would be awesome for deer I would bet. I would go the complete opposite way...the heaviest Barnes X Bullet that I could safely load in the 30-30 and never look back. Seasons44, Please don't be put off by my comments....as I said before, I am stating my opinion and no ill will is directed at you for yours! Not looking for a pissing contest. | |||
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A friggin moose ain't a big brown bear that might eat you alive just for pissing him off when you shoot him with that 30-30 and it doesn't take him down and out like a better choice would, LOL! | |||
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Nope no pissing contest, a 30/30 would not be my first choice either, but hell I am sure would want the best bullet I could find. The reason I posted the CEB is the fact it can be shot as a solid also, same POI two bullets. Also have a heavier option. https://cuttingedgebullets.com...&key=ESP_C130_RAPTOR Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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I think the OP has his tongue firmly in his cheek, but if not then I would use a 170 grain Partition. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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I didn't realize that! Expanding bullet for first shot behind the front leg and solids after that? | |||
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Exactly!  Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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Hey where are you in Jersey...I am just north of the GWB | |||
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Why such a smartass response to something that was just one person's opinion that doesn't differ much from a number of others that are saying go up to a better choice?! If you had any reading comprehension, you would also see that the OP stated that he was open to suggestions from the peanut gallery, LOL! I guess after 60+ years of hunting I know that a 30-30 will kill just about anything if the range is short and the bullet selection is correct, but the shooter better pray that an animal like a brown bear goes the opposite way after he gets shot because it's very unlikely it will die before it could do serious damage when hit with that caliber. I absolutely love these types of threads where supposedly ethical hunters want to handicap themselves with minimal artillery for the job at hand just to apparently say they did so! Anyway, I think I have the same right to express my opinion as you do yours, even if I'm the only one of the two that's correct, LOL! Finally, I could really give a rat's ass if he wants to use a baseball bat on a brownie, as to each his own, but he did ask for suggestions! You did, however, get one thing right in your post and that is the statement "when you grow up". Maybe it's time you did, LOL! | |||
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Get this---Kiss my ass!!! My opinions are just as good as anyone else on this site whether you like it or not and most are based on many decades of experience. Sorry if you don't like that fact! However, normally opinions are better when backed up by knowledge gained through experience and that's basically what threads are when asking for comments like the OP did in case you aren't old enough to have figured that fact out either, LOL! By the way, your BS about the moose picture was just that---BS! I did a quote and it happened to include the picture, but there was no malice or intent such as you suggested. I also don't care to take the time to learn how to post pictures on a site that is so out of date compared to several others where just a couple clicks and I was able to share plenty of pictures of past hunts, so sue me!! PS: Sounds like if you have time to read 25 pages of my posts just to come back with another smartass one of yours when there was no reason to start in on me in the first place is a real sign that you need to get a life! | |||
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yup, definitely need a .458 Lott or bigger for moose and hope a 4,000 lb grizzly doesn't show up. good grief man, where do y'all come up with this crap? 30-30 is more than up to the task - loaded properly - but this caveat applies to every caliber topgun, i think you need to sit down and take a break, you're getting all worked up Bob | |||
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Just South of the Driscoll Bridge Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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I'm not the one that needs to take a break! The member who's giving me shit over nothing but my opinion is the one that needs to take a long break and shut his yapper! Find a guide in AK that will allow you to take a brown bear with a 30-30 or even archery equipment without full backup with a big caliber rifle and I'll not post any more on the thread. Why do you think that there are various caliber restrictions on what can be used for dangerous game in Africa? The same thing applies for the most part on grizzly and brown bears on this continent due to the danger they represent if they aren't dispatched ASAP with the proper equipment. | |||
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uh, actually, if you show up with a 505 gibbs they will back you. in other words, irrespective of caliber, one of the guide's functions is to provide backup. how did we segue into africa and minimal calibers for dg??????????? Bob | |||
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I knew a guy who went bear hunting with a club. There were 5 other member in the club. | |||
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I think nothing of the sort and realized you're just a troll with the shit you keep posting for no reason at all. The only thing you've exposed is exactly what you stated and that's that you're a troll and trying to get under a person's skin for no reason other than some weird fun you must get out of it. So what am I other than a person that has a passion for hunting and has had since Dad got me started in 1953 seeing as you say you've exposed me for what I am, LOL?! Finally, I didn't come on this particular website to discuss my hunts, as I do that on several other sites that I've been on for a long time. However, just to make you happy I will say that last year alone I was on a sheep hunt in OR, an archery elk hunt in NV, a mulie hunt in NM, hunted antelope, mulies, and elk in Wyoming, and finished the 3 month trip with a week of pheasant hunting in ND with my Pointer that just died two weeks ago, so that final fact alone does not have me in a very happy mood right now to read all your BS!!! | |||
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I don't know much about brown bears but there have been a lot of Maine moose shot with 30-30s... Come to think about it, what was the hot ticket at the time grizzly bears became uncommon? Old Ephraim was the last grizzly bear in Utah, can't remember what ended his career. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I would use the 150 grain Barnes X with flat nose designed for the 30-30. | |||
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A couple of things. ravenr's moose was brained in his bed so the 30-30 bullet is kind of irrelevant. Joe pulled off a nice trick with that one but I don't think he would recommend a 30-30 for moose if asked. Also snellstrom mentioned a 30-40 which with a 220 grain bullet at 2100 fps would probably handle a moose and brown bear with good shooting at moderate ranges quite easily. I also realize that the point of this was to set off a debate rather than a serious discussion and that goal was accomplished nicely. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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The "Mine is bigger than yours" and "I have X so obviously it is the only way to go and if you don't agree there is something wrong with you" posts get a little tedious at times. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Good job Dave you should tell them what I have shoot with a .22 hornet. | |||
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Good job Dave you have em all stirred up you should tell them what I shot with a .22 hornet. | |||
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It's so darn expensive to hunt in Alaska that it would not make any sense to use a .30-30 for brown or grizzly bears. At least use one of the most widely used cartridges for moose and bears in Alaska, a .30-06 or .300 WM with heavy and controlled-expanding bullets as a minimum, or a .338WM with 250-grain NOS, A-Frame of the same weight, or a 225-grain TSX. That said, if close enough moose aren't hard to kill. But sometimes you want to hit them hard to prevent them from walking toward deep water, and from a distance the .30-30 is marginal. I imagine that some of you understand what I am referring to (moose walking into deep water after the shot). Now, keep in mind that I am not talking about the burro-size moose in the lower-48  | |||
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Wasn't there a article a few years back where some gun writer did several hunts, elk, moose, bear ect. with a 30-30 and took the all. Just can't remember what gun rag it was in | |||
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There was a guy on a TV show who had a quest to take all North American 29 (or whatever that number is) all with a 30-30 his grandfather gave him. I couldn't tell you the name of the show. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Yes, things like that are done by hunters every now and then. For example, there is a book written about a hunter who killed several species in Africa using a bow and arrows. The book is fetching somewhere around $300.00 these days. Then, how about this fellow? http://howardhillarchery.com/the-legends-story.html But to travel to Alaska to hunt moose and bears with a .30-30 would only make sense if the person has a lot of money to have the guides bringing him right up to the game hunted. I don't think that any Alaska guide is going to take that chance with a brown bear, but I don't really know. | |||
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All things being equal, including marksmanship, are you more likely to efficiently kill a moose/brown bear with a .22 Hornet or a .300 WM? I think we all know the answer. Why turn hunting a majestic animal into a silly game? | |||
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