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I am looking to go on an elk hunt in Colorado this fall on private land. I didn't enter the draw, so I will have to buy an OTC tag for the second rifle season. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a place I could go and either do a semi-guided elk hunt or pay a trespass fee and do a DIY elk hunt on private land? My goal is to keep cost under $2,000 and still have a chance to take a decent bull. Any suggestions out there? | ||
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I just don't know many guys that do trespass fee deals or semi guided deals for elk on private ground. Honestly, I think your best bet would be to hire a packer to pack you back into some wilderness area for a hunt. You can get back far enough to really escape the crowds and you can get that done within your budget. That would be your best bet IMO | |||
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Ozultra, a drop camp hunt with a reputable outfitter will be your best option for the parameters listed. Be prepared for a hard hunt, especially a D-I-Y for elk. Try contacting Colorado DOW or the Colorado Guides Association and get some names and start contacting folks. One problem you might run into, not sure on this, but getting something put together at this point of time for Second Rifle season may be real difficult. Seems like most of the guides/outfitters, the better ones especially are usually fully booked by this time of year. You might luck into one that has had a cancelation. Best of Luck on your project, hope you find something.  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I agree with Drum. Anyone who has good elk on private land is nuts to sell trespass rights when they can sell the rights to a guide. I do know a guy who uses llamas to pack hunters back into the Mt. Evans wilderness area. I shot a big bull bordering this area some years ago; my first elk on the first day of hunting. I don't know what "decent" means to you, but IMO if it isn't a six it may as well be a spike. There are very few 5x5s that look big; the few that do are really 6x6s that never grew the sixth point. PM me if interested and I will send the packer's name. I would never hire a drop camp outfitter who also guides; he will reserve his best areas for himself. Oh, BTW, second rifle season can be a real challenge; rut is over, it is generally warm, and the big bulls just want to be left alone. | |||
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Bingo! I would also like the name and number of that guy if you find it. I have been looking for a packer in that area Drummond | |||
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Different experiences for different folks. Pretty blanket statement about outfitters as I hunt with one who over the years he has been in business, had his drop camp hunters do as good if not slightly better than his guided hunters. I am sure there are those out there that do as you describe, but not all do. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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No, all outfitters will hunt their favorite areas or drainages with the hunters they are guiding. If they are putting drop camp guys in the same area they hunt they are idiots as they are creating competition for themselves. It would not be fair to either group, the guided hunters or the drop camp hunters to hunt the exact same areas. What they will typically do is put them in areas where they want to have more information or its just not accessible from where they camp. Thats not to say its a bad area but its not the best area. I have never met a guide or outfitter that didn't guide in the best spot in their unit One last thing Crazy, if your outfitter has drop camp DIY hunters doing better than his guided hunters that should tell you all you need to know about that outfitter | |||
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Yes Drummond it tells me a lot about that outfitter. He has been in the business since he was 18, he is 64 now. He stays booked up every year, both drop camps and guided camps. He is on 2nd. and 3rd. generation clients from people has guided in the past. He has some clients that have never went on one of his guided hunts, but do drop camps with him every year. Just because not all of his guided hunters can shoot good, does not mean that he does not mean that he isn't putting his hunters on animals. I started hunting with him in 1992 and will be doing a Late Season Cow hunt with him this year and that will make 12 hunts with him in 21 years. You want to bad mouth people that is your business. I am merely stating something that I know for a fact, and I know for a fact that all or nearly all of his clients come to him thru recommendations of satisfied long term clients. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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To get back to the original point for the OP I would research where I would want to hunt and have a packer, not an outfitter, get me in and out. As for you Crazy, I was merely pointing out that most people, including myself, would cringe if a selling point of an outfitter was that their DIY guys did better than the guided hunters. This was your statement; "I hunt with one who over the years he has been in business, had his drop camp hunters do as good if not slightly better than his guided hunters." Thats not a ringing endorsement of the outfitter or his guides. I'm just letting you know that you don't do the guy any favors with that statement. I was not bad mouthing the outfitter, just pointing out the obvious. | |||
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I just sent a text to my brother; he is actually good friends with him. I misplaced his card. Do you hunt Mt Evans wilderness? Love that area. I have backpacked from Guanella Pass to Lion's Head (Pine Junction) several times. Go over Evans on the way. Spectacular country. Would love to go there on a hunt. | |||
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I have a saying..."Ask ten guys on their street their opinion; the majority is normally right." I gotta agree with Drummond on this. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his guides if true. I have been on many DIY hunts for elk; my success has been high, but it is perfect on guided hunts. | |||
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Drummond, the man only runs 2 or 3 fully guided camps during all seasons combined. The rest are drop camp hunts. He does not do guided archery hunts of any kind, those are drop camp hunts for him. I have recommended him to several folks, but due to his reputation, it is extremely hard for someone that has not hunted with him before to book with him, guided or drop camp. I don't openly recommend him on the internet but do send his contact info upon request from interested parties. Regardless of your opinion, I do have experience booking hunts, both as a client and as a guide, and have been doing so for going on 21 years this fall. I don't or won't recommend someone that I do not have experience with and I am fairly confident that if I have not learned something about hunting in the 40+ years I have been doing it, I have learned a lot during the past 20+ years that I have been involved in guided hunts on both sides of the activity. My advice still stands, the OP is probably going to have a difficult time hooking up with a guide/outfitter/packer, whoever at this point in time, simply because all the better ones are probably booked up. Also booking a drop camp hunt thru a guide is a viable option, especially if the OP checks into the persons references. I am just giving an opinion, not asking you or anyone else to agree with it. When you become Moderator of this topic area then you can censor anyone that does not agree with you! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have been on almost a dozen, and I have yet to be on a hunt, Private or Public Land where EVERYONE in camp killed an elk. Everyone had shots, some of them multiple shot opportunities, but not everyone always got an elk. That is reality, not internet BS. I ain't saying that it never happens, I am saying it does not happen EVERY time. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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That is classic!!  I guess everyone who hunts the adjoining areas does vastly better than the guided hunts? ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Well Crazy, the only guided hunt I have EVER been on that was not successful was my April leopard hunt. But then again, it was very inexpensive and I approached it like a plains game hunt with a free option for leopard. There are a few species for which I would never hire a guide; caribou in AK (shot 13 on DIY hunts) and black bears in the Midwest (4/4 on DIY hunts and 1/1 on "guided" - which is basically a polite term that means I didn't pick out the bait site nor did I have to bait - 90 percent of the fun on a bait hunt for bears.) | |||
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Your credentials as a "PH" are impeccable  Good luck shooting a cow this fall, I hope you chose the DIY option  | |||
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We all, including me, have said dumb things on AR. Some just do it more than others. | |||
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Fixed it for ya | |||
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"We all, including me, have said dumb things on AR. Some just do it a lot more than others" I know one who does it all the time and he's made a couple of real boners on this thread and continues to argue because of his "credentials", LOL! Some people just like to argue no matter what the subject or whether they know anything about the discussion in progress. I would also never hire an outfitter to do a drop camp for me unless I was the one that picked out the area I wanted to go to and not where he wanted to place me. | |||
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Both gmu 39 and 46 are draw only areas for elk. 37 which is on the other side of the hills is otc for 2nd and 3rd elk. We got buried by a big storm up there one year, had to leave early. My partner went back up the last day of the season by him self and killed a nice 5x5 bull, then spent 2 days getting it out. C.G.B. | |||
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You ever get that business in New Mexico ever straightened out Drummond???????? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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True, but in this case the level of consistency is simply stunning. He is truly the Edwin Moses of stupidity. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Absolutely! Did you forget the conversation we had? | |||
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You're a real POS to bring that up when not only do you know what happened and why but you're only doing it because you stuck your foot in your mouth and are embarrassed. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Think what you want to, I did not stick my foot in my mouth nor am I embarrassed. As long as Drummond keeps up with the BS toward me I will bring it up and I do know what happened. It is a really simple trade off, any one can comprehend. Drummond has no use for me nor I for him, plain and simple. I DO NOT go out of my way to start trouble with Drummond, he can not say the same in his attitude toward me, he cannot just put me on ignore and not start crap. As long as he leaves me alone, I leave him alone. I have a real hard time understanding what is wrong with that concept. I do not notice anywhere that any of this is your business. I do not see Moderator connected with your name. If Drummond is your buddy that is your business, not mine. Mine and his problems are just that, our problems and none of YOUR BUSINESS. I am willing to call a truce with Drummond, the ball is in his court. I will not mess with him, if he don't mess with me, again, a really, really simple concept. One of the greatest features about AR is called "Ignore User", it is a wonderful feature. It is designed so that members that have a problem with what another member posts, can simply do a couple of minutes worth of information input, click the mouse and you won't see any of that persons posts or responses. Last time I looked this site is free to all and as long as they are civil, they are entitled to state their opinions on any subject. As far as I know however, No One On This Site Or In Life Is Entitled Or Has The Right To NOT Be Offended Over Another Person's Opinion. You have some sort of problem with me, Drummond has a problem with me. Both of you can Man Up and put me on ignore and that will solve your problems. You Have A Great Day! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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No, I remember it quite well. You seem not to remember it so well because I told you then, you leave me alone and I will leave you alone. That system worked pretty good up until the last couple of weeks or so. Read my response to Gatogordo. You Leave Me Alone And I will Leave You Alone. Simple Concept. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Still a piece of shit. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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The fact that that YOU DO KNOW and you still want to try and make something out of it that isn't there makes you a bigger piece of shit than I could have ever imagined. Randall, you and people like you are the only reason I don't just post it up. I am not ashamed of anything and all I did wrong was not fill out a fucking harvest report yet you want to try to damage me with that. You also know damn good and well how personal that entire situation is because of the death of my father. You want to show people here what your made of then fucking get after it. You already pissed all over a dead mans thread so we all know its not beneath you, you fucking idiot As for a truce, I have no idea WTF you are talking about. I simply stated why I would not do as you suggested and why I would do it differently and you get butt hurt. If you are not man enough to have discussions with the big boys you should just go away. Anytime somebody has a different suggestion it turns into the Days of our Lives. You act like a little bitch Do whatever you want asshole, I don't give a shit but if you post it up it better be the right story in the correct context or I will absofuckinglutely hammer your dumb ass. | |||
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And a stupid one at that. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Drummond all you have to do is stay out of my business, nothing more, and there is nothing you can hammer me about. All you have to do is put me on ignore. Am I being petty, yes, I admit it. Are you being petty when you start crap concerning my opinions/experience/intelligence, I believe you are. You can't accept a truce, then just put me on ignore. You are the one that started this latest round of crap. Had you have simply said that you disagreed with me that would have been fine. When you continued acting like I was completely stupid and that my comments/opinions are stupid, I retaliated. Don't want the retaliation, don't start the crap. Since our "conversation", I have made an effort to not really comment very much on any threads you have been involved in. You seem to be incapable of reciprocating, instead preferring to attack my intelligence or experience. You want to disagree with my opinions, fine, disagree but don't patronize or belittle. As I said the ball is in your court, but threatening me is not going to work. Let us see how many more of your little internet groupies are going to come on and tell me what a son of a bitch I am. None of you are the first and none of you will be the last. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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TIMMY! | |||
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  TIMMY TIMMY TIMMY____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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That was just un called for!!!! FARGGIN HILARIUOS but uncalled for! . | |||
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Funniest post in the history of AR | |||
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Oh snap! That is funny as hell! | |||
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Actually, I consider myself to be more like Cartman. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Someone clue me in on the "TIMMY" joke! | |||
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Apparently it has to with South Park; I had to PM a guy who had to PM a guy to get an answer. As a guy who doesn't schedule his life around TV, I can honestly say I have never seen it. Or The Simpsons. Or Friends. Or any other show in the last 20 years. Maybe I should spend less time on AR, too. | |||
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Sorry just got reading this, but nicely said Drummond. Drop camps that are just as successful as guided hunts why would you ever get a guided hunt but let me know who it is as I would love to shoot another elk. Thanks! Brian Clark Blue Skies Hunting Adventures www.blueskieshunting.com Email at: info@blueskieshunting.com African Cape Trophy Safaris www.africancapesafaris.com Email at: brian@africancapesafaris.com 1-402-689-2024 | |||
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