Any one bother to check when this panty-knot-tying post started?

Welcome to the AR.

You will find out that there are some folks on here that have a habit of going back thru the archives and finding something that tickles their fantasies, so they dredge it back up, and some of us are too dumb to look at dates so we start the fight all over again.

Call it human nature with some folks.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Welcome to the AR.

You will find out that there are some folks on here that have a habit of going back thru the archives and finding something that tickles their fantasies, so they dredge it back up, and some of us are too dumb to look at dates so we start the fight all over again.

Call it human nature with some folks.

NO! Call it shit sturring!

The one comment that made me laugh is the one where someone said of 500grains, "people who have little hunting experience", and the guy who said that is, or was, a moderator here!
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What is it with basic deer hunting forums! It seems every time I visit one of them everybody is cussing one or another of the people because they don't agree with something they have said about their "MAGIC"cartridge! Usually the only cartridge the cusser has ever used in his life!

My father was like that, and you should have seen the tantrum he pitched when he was told he couldn't hunt Cape Buffalo with his JC higgens 30-06! He thought the 30-06 would knock the moon out of the sky. One reason he thought that is the only thing he ever shot with it was deer, and one elk, and he couldn't judge range worth crap. On one occasion he killed a running muledeer, with one shot. Later I heard him tell
someone in camp that the deer was 1500 yds out, and he believed it. My son and I went back to where he was standing when he shot the deer, and paced it off to the gut pile, and it was a little over 200 yds. Not a bad shot at a running muledeer jumping cactus, and rocks, but certainly not anywhere near 1500 yds!

I think the dareing-do that most spout about their little popguns, is simply either a mis-calcalation,repeating something they heard someone else say, or a down right lie!

Another thing is, it seems so many say things like so-and-so cartridge is perfect for Brown Bear/Grizzly, when most have never even seen a Grizz or Brown bear up close, much less shot one, and the biggest thing they have taken is a little scrony whitetail deer! Hell jusyt about anything will kill a goaty little deer!

The 270, along with the 375, are my favourite hunting cartridges.

I have shot several hundred African game animals - from duikers to eland, at distance from 15 yards to over 500, and have absolutely nothing but praise for it.

Mind you, I don't think the end results would have been any different have been using similar cartridges.

I think some of the articles published in the past leave a lot to be desired.

I remember readind one of the gun magazines, where they made such a fuss about the 243 Winchester as being marginal for deer - because it did not have enough energy!!? If I recall right, 1,000 foot pounds was said to be required.

A few pages after that, they had an article about hunting deer with a 357 pistol, and how great it is for deer hunting.

I have seen some quite excellent shots made with both a 270 and a 30-06.

I do not like either, but I will recommend them to anyone that asks, simply because I don't really figure that most folks want to use a 375 H&H for hunting white tails, or a 35 Whelen.

I always figured that getting a person to learn to use something they were comfortable with and how to accurately place their shots with it was better than trying to rely on power on bad shots to make the difference. JMO.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The 270, along with the 375, are my favourite hunting cartridges.

Saeed,
Your stock in trade just went up a couple of notches with me. Those are probably my 2 all time favorites also. Throw in the .243 & I am happy.

I don't like the 270, not because it is not a good cartridge, but because o'conner tried to ram it down everyone's throat that it was the best thing since sliced bread. Him being a educated man with this type of propaganda turns me off. His writings were to sell magazine stories and most of his hunts he used other calibers.

lets just say hello to a 7-year old thread.....and a nearly 84 year old cartridge that didn't become one of our most used and most popular for no good reason....the .270 Winchester is still a very fine cartridge and given new bullet technology even better than ever in the larger big game. I' wouldn't hesitate to take one after any big game (non dangerous stuff)

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The 270, along with the 375, are my favourite hunting cartridges.

I have shot several hundred African game animals - from duikers to eland, at distance from 15 yards to over 500, and have absolutely nothing but praise for it.

Mind you, I don't think the end results would have been any different have been using similar cartridges.

I think some of the articles published in the past leave a lot to be desired.

I remember readind one of the gun magazines, where they made such a fuss about the 243 Winchester as being marginal for deer - because it did not have enough energy!!? If I recall right, 1,000 foot pounds was said to be required.

A few pages after that, they had an article about hunting deer with a 357 pistol, and how great it is for deer hunting.

Sounds like the Nebraska State hunting regs. 950 ft lbs at a 100 yards is minimum for rifle, but a .45 ACP is ok for pistol. Just one of those nutty things.

For me I like my old .308 Winchester. Not fancy or a big boomer, overshadowed by the 30-06 and .270, but does the same job very well. But then again, that is just my opinion.

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Saeed said it right about the 270win. Just limit your range on big bull elk to under 250yds and maybe plan on a little tracking safari

Have you ever set back and watched a group or single hunter "get into" a herd of elk. The shots start, the magazine empties numerous times, and there are wounded and some times dead elk. Throw in an inadequate round such as the .270 and you have wounded animals. There lies the problem, many, many, MANY, hunters don't know or practice their limitations. SO why brag up the little round that wanted to be, ( I think I can, I think I can) but isn't!

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Originally posted by kudu56:

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Saeed said it right about the 270win. Just limit your range on big bull elk to under 250yds and maybe plan on a little tracking safari

Have you ever set back and watched a group or single hunter "get into" a herd of elk. The shots start, the magazine empties numerous times, and there are wounded and some times dead elk. Throw in an inadequate round such as the .270 and you have wounded animals. There lies the problem, many, many, MANY, hunters don't know or practice their limitations. SO why brag up the little round that wanted to be, ( I think I can, I think I can) but isn't!

I've seen more elk taken with that inadequate round and the .30-06 by well placed shots because most hunters who have them can use them. I've seen more hunters do exactly what you said with the perfectly adequate 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 or .338 Win Mag. The last time I watched an elk hunter empty his magazine and reload I walked up to where he shot and found 5 empty 7mm Rem Mag casings on the ground. Who knows how many elk he wounded before he brought his cow down, but come on 5 shots! Every elk I've shot with my .270 has only taken one, you tell me who is inadequate with their rifle.

It isn't a little round that wanted to be, because it is perfectly suitable for elk with the proper bullet selection 150/160 grain and shot placement. If many, many, MANY, hunters would get over their penis envy they would be better hunters and know their limitations. Too often they think a magnum round will compensate for their personal short comings in their hunting or shooting ability. It amazes me how many people will say that a .270 is too light for an elk but then turn around and say that a 7mm is a much better choice in the same breath.

Give me my .270 any day and I'll put elk in the freezer, and I wouldn't be afraid to put the cross hairs on that bull of a lifetime either. Is the .270 my personal minimum for bullet diameter? Yes, but that doesn't mean a 160 grain 6.5 caliber will not kill an elk just as dead. We all set limitations on the least amount of power we would use for hunting as well and for me that would be a .30-30 using 170 grain bullets at 150 yards or less. I think it would be a blast to do a elk hunt with my old Win 94 rifle.

On 10/14 I shot a 4 pt. mule deer at 385 yds (lasered) using a 130gr Sierra SBT. MV was 2940 fps. The result was a bang flop. After to shot all I saw was flying legs and antlers as the buck tumbled head over heals down the very steep hill side it was once standing upon. I did not even bother to reload the rifle.

Post mortum analysis showed that I could have gotten the same results with a 100gr 243 with the same shot placement.

The operative term here is "shot placement". Being able to place shots with percision and a high degree of confidence is vital. Too much gun = big recoil and big flinch. A man has to be man enough to know his limitations (and use them to his advantage).

Just MHO. Don

I like the 270, it may be a bit destructive on deer at close range and a bit weak on elk past 350 yards but all in all it does the majority of hunting chores very well.

I owned a 270 once. Sold it and have never regretted it; however, my brother owns one and just loves it--thinks it's the best thing going. It just goes to show you that variety is the spice of life, and one man's junk is another man's treasure. As with any rifle one must know its limits and one must have good shot placement. Many who love and use the 270 do have these skills and the rifle performs well for them.

I am so friggen depressed, I love the .270 and now I find out I have used it on the wrong animals.

500, now you done dunnit...you have reached the end of your rope, you have purposely put Art Alphines life in jeopardy, almost as much as he put himself in jeopardy when he sold those stump looking ugly assed rifles!

I still find it amazing that with all the newer cartridges available to sportsman these days,
That a modern day animal can still be killed with cartridges that are so old!
An no longer powerful by critter standards.


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