So LAWCOP, lets just say you and a cop buddy approach a person and he/she opens fire on you hitting your buddy, you chase him, he circles around and puts the killing shot in your buddy. You find him standing over your dead buddy, do you shoot an innocent man, as he hasn't been proved guilty by a court of law yet?
Go back and read the statment, this POS chased down "Unarmed" folks and shot them in the fucking back. Even if a shot was fired at him, it was fired by one person, not eight.

Very sad indeed!

HI,

What has the World come to,Kev

I live about 40 miles from there and know a lot of people in the area haven't heard victims names yet. Lastest I heard is they chase him off the poperty and he came back in camo and started shooting them.

Gives a whole differant meaning to traspasser. All kinds of rumors floating about might be awhile until we know what really happened. If is is the case the hunters being in blaze orange they would be easy to see and target and the shooter would be will hidden.

Wow, how sad. Our sport is shared with a lot of knuckle draggers... and I thought the NBA had a public perception problem.

I've heard of several confrontations on Local public hunting lands. We have had several people get shot on WMAs in years past. That is why I don't hunt on public land, too many idiots to deal w/.

It sure is sad stuff like this happens. Kind of like a couple of the other post, "Some people shouldn't own guns."

Good Luck!

Reloader

Yeah i saw that story this morning on the atlanta news,the news caster said..deer hunters get the table turned on them and they get shot......I thought that was one of the weakest/coldest statements I have ever heard on the news...You talking about getting mad!!!!
iam not going to say what i thought about that statement or that news station....but it is not nice!!!!
Whats up with that?????
There has got to be a line drawn somewhere?I know iam going to tell everyhunter i know and can find ,what that news caster said!!!!!
Iam tired of it!!!!!

Call the station and raise hell with the management.

Has anybody checked to see if this guy's PETA credentials are in order?

The man arrested in connection with this crime.

Reloader,

Apparently from pdogshooter and the news accounts this happened on private lands. Pretty sad/sick!

Deke.

Anti-gun folks will have a field day. One account has already refered to the weapon as an "assault type rifle". The same article said it was quite unusual for the killer to be wearing camo that most hunters wore orange..........

Although I know it happens, I have not seen a deer hunter carrying an SKS in the field in 40 years of hunting. I wonder how long it will take PETA folks to start shooting hunters and blaming hunters for the shooting---unless they already have!

Some reports say he was on a 80 acre private land, surrounded by public land.

He was reported to have used an SKS rifle.

All this makes absolutely no sense at all. The first thought that came to my mind was that he must be an anti.

Blackbearhunter YEAH,,,call up that radio station management and raise hell about that reporter



Im sure the liberal meadia wont report the facts when we find out the what realy happened and the status of this Chai Yang(vietnamize character with his SKS).



If I saw some one hunting with a SKS or some other assualt type weapon , I would think , This guy isnt a hunter, Hes some idiot out to play rambo and blast something.

I heard he is Hmong.

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WHAT nationality is he?

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Bastard

From Laos.

Many Hmong in WI/Minnesota.

The guy was from St. Paul MN hunting in Northern WI

I have a friend from Wi., lives here now, and was out in Wi. hunting this weekend! I called his wife to check & see if he was ok, since he was hunting very near by. She knows one of the victims family. She told me the perp. was Hmong & there is a large population of Hmong in that area. Very sad.

Not to get off course, but...

I saw plenty of "hunters" with SKS rifles in the Sierra Nevadas above Visalia and Fresno.

There is a large asian population from the Valley that would encircle an area and then erradicate whatever moved. Yearlings, does, old bucks, young bucks... whatever. It sounded like WW-III on opening day. I quit hunting there altogether and only hunted at our cabin outside of Redding.

Fish and Game tended to turn a blind eye in the National Forest to these practices because of the recent immgrant's national origin and "traditional methods of hunting", but I saw a few of them busted for hunting inside the National Parks.

It was total disrespect and gave a blackeye to the real hunter's iimage, just like this incident. I can't imagine that this type of person would give any regard to a "No Trespassing" sign or respect someone's deer stand, either public or private- which I'm sure is the reason why the shootings took place.

As a side note, this is the same group that used 10 to 15 people at night to completely seine, in one night, all the fish from the ponds that my friends and family spent over a decade stocking trophy fish from Kaweah Lake. All they left behind were little footprints. ROOAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!

-Michael

True, calling the guy a hunter is a blackeye to all the rest of us.

My brother, Grandview on this forum, has a cabin fifty or so miles from where this happened. He is up there with ten or so friends for the season. It has always been a fun time for everyone to get together but I imagine this will put somewhat of a damper on things.

I haven't had a chance to talk with him since it happened, but trespassing is an age old conflict. That is why many folks have bought land in Northern Wisconsin so they can be assured of a place to take friends and their children to enjoy this special time of the year.

Many will no doubt be howling for better gun control, but it appears our imigration policy maybe should be looked at closer. By this I mean that people who move into an area from another country must know all the rules of the land before they are allowed to obtain a hunting license.

Lunatics do what lunatics do because they are lunatics.
No law will prevent a person hell bent to commit evil.
Whether an SKS,running a vehicle into a crowd or planes
into buildings.
And it matters little who they are or where they come from.
A rotten bastard is a rotten bastard.
A knee jerk reaction for new laws, will
only further our lost of individual freedoms.

I prefer the consequences of too little gvt vs
the burden of too much gvt.

"Deputy Jake Hodgkinson identified the suspect as Chai Vang but would give no details. Vang is from St. Paul, Minn., said Paul Schnell, a spokesman for the St. Paul police department."

"The shooting started when two hunters returning to their rural cabin on private land saw the suspect in one of their hunting platforms in a tree, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said."

To think that all this started over trespassing and using a tree stand that belonged to others. Makes you wonder if the first two hunters confronted the guy and ordered him off the property. I know it's been over 5 years since I confronted a trespasser on my property. My son and I first disarmed him then escorted him to our home to await the sheriff�s department. I am sorry for those killed and wounded but I am more sorry for the sport of hunting. The anti�s are going to have a field day over this. Lawdog

Nothing personal Blue, but I don't give a damn about his origins or his reasons. I hope he gets the death penalty.

Personally, I think he was trying to eliminate witnesses after he started. I lost two uncles and their friend to a murderer while elk hunting in WY (1979). The shooter walked after killing them as they sat unarmed in their cook tent. If there are not witnesses left, there is only one story to explain to the police.

One news account I read said there was only one rifle among the 8 shot. I'm not sure how that could be. One of the injured men lost his 28 yr old daughter. Some woman lost her husband and son among the dead.

As far as anti's go, it doesn't suit them. Also, anyone who went to the woods to kill people would come better prepared. This asshole quit b/c he was out of ammo.

If only the clock was rolled back a few years, this prick would have been hanging from a tree before the good folks there left the woods. I sure wouldn't lose any sleep over it. But maybe I'm just not that sensitive.

"Anyway, FYI, Wisconsin and Minnesota do not have the death Penalty (thank God)."

So, Blue, if you're not a Wisconsin resident can we count on you donating cash to the enormous cost of keeping this multiple murder alive in prison for the next 20 or 30 years? And of course because he's Hmong he'll demand and receive a special menu in the prison chow hall, and an interpreter every time he wants to file a brief, and special law books translated into Hmong, and... well, you get the idea. Talk is cheap, Blue.

blue

I agree the cultures are miles apart, but to me this person should have to learn the culture over here before getting a hunting license. Then if he messes up like this person did there is absolutely no excuse, culture or not.

On another note, does Minnesota make these people who come from other countries pass a hunter's safety course? I think it should be mandatory myself. Alot of other things should be covered at the same time such as private property and such.

Sorry I missed you. Feel free to look me up next time.

I guess we'll have to differ in opinion here. I would not hesitate to move someone along who was hunting my stand without permission (don't have one, though!). Also, I am a proponant of the death penalty, for just such an occasion as this.

We have people here who fight over elk (never really hear of it with deer). On Sat, my friend lost a cow elk to a stranger. They had gutted and were loading it up by the time my friend got back to the site (he went back to the ranch house to check for permission as it had crossed a fence before it died--turned out it never left the ranch property). He let it go, no shooting rampage, and no need for analysis of his motives as such. Certainly this is not an incredible or uncommon event, when handled by a responsible citizen.

Again, I have absolutely no sympathy and look for no empathy for a person who would shoot others in a temper tantrum. Especially unarmed individuals. Especially a woman. Too bad about the death penalty, from where I sit. Maybe this case will bring it about.

Saeed: You are absolutely correct - this makes no sense at all and is a tragedy of amazing magnitude. I recently heard that a father and son are among the murdered and a woman Hunter murdered as well!

It is just inexplicable in its bizzareness!

Certainly this is a major "black eye" for the millions of law abiding Hunters in America but that fact shrinks in comparison to the tragedy that the families are suffering through as of now!

Its one of those things everyone wishes could be undone or not have happened in the first place but that is not reality.

I am going to be on the lookout for a place to contribute to the victims families. If anyone nearby the scene hears of one let me know please.

Maybe the locals in the NRA can muster up a way to contribute perhaps through a local bank.

Needless tragedy!

I would like to know the history or just the story behind the suspect?

An SKS to Hunt Deer with?

To many unanswered and some unanswerable questions right now! I will keep an eye out for pertinent facts and will relay same if newsworthy!

The good news is (if there can be ANY!) is the perp is most probably in custody and that is a small blessing.

The latest film news clips from near the scene showed plainly worded "No tresspass" signs!

Hold into the wind

VarmintGuy

Mikea: According to one of the news accounts I saw today one of the initial victims was wounded by gunfire and called on his radio back to a nearby Hunting camp/cabin for help with his wounds. Maybe then the unarmed campers came to his aid? And MAYBE then they were shot. I had not heard the unarmed victims information!
It sickens me even more now that this is learned!
But anyway I did hear specifically that a call for help with ones gunshot wounds was made and others responded. I did not hear at that time that the respondees were unarmed.
Shameful and tragic!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Blue, the death penalty should have been given on the spot inb the form of self defense. It's unfortunate that those responding to the radio call for help didn't think this could happen in their woods. Putting this guy away for life is a travesty of justice.

Fred,
Don't be so hard on ole blue. He sent his brain off to be dry cleaned and has not gotten it back yet. Unfortunately he functions better without it.

Kenati ... Ive heard of those gooks like you said near fresno. There are some from the bay area that use automatic weapons and just blast everything that moves.
The Ca. fish and game need to pull their heads out of their ass and do something.

A guy I know from Bird dog feild trials lives near victorville and says theres a bunch of mexicans that go dear hunting in the hills with assult rifles and they just blast away hundreds of rounds of ammo at anything that moves.

Damn assholes! ! !

Culture is no excuse and no defence. If it were then he should be punished by his cultures standards. He would have been executed by now. He never would have made it out of the woods alive. Betting he never had a hunting licence either.

His culture is to blame? You are joking or either just trying to make conversation right? If not as Chic says you brain is off somewhere. His culture promotes murder in support of the endeavor to bring home the meat? Unbelievable!