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Ghubert
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OlBiker, it is called "Buck Fever" plain and simple.

People, and not just kids, but experienced hunters, get so excited and caught up in the moment, that if there is not another person standing/setting right there with them, they can/will mistake any movement or sound as being the animal/bird they are after.

This is NOT the first time something like this has happened, What In The Hell, Is Wrong With Everyone On This One?

This kind of thing happens every year, a dove comes flying in too low, yet someone is so intent on getting the shot, they blank out everything but the bead on the end of the barrel and the bird.

Parents have shot their children, completely unsuspecting people working in their yard, or walking down a trail, or riding a bicycle down a rural road have been mistaken for game.

Can one person on here, swear that they have NEVER mistaken something that was NOT the game they were after, until AFTER they have glassed it with their scope for maybe the second or even third time.

Not jumping on any one person in particular nor am I meaning to offend anyone, But, It Is Just Like Missing A Shot Or Wounding and Losing An Animal, If You Hunt Long Enough And Often Enough You WIll Find Yourself Looking Thru Your Scope at The Shoulder Of Someone, Or Their Cow/Horse/Dog/Goat, whatever.

It happens.

This kid and whoever was supposed to be in charge of him made one hell of a mistake.

But for ANY of us to set back and feign innocence on never having realized what we were fixing to pull the trigger on, was not something we needed to kill, is pure Bull Shit in its greasiest and smelliest form.


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I had the following drilled into me before I was allowed anywhere near a shotgun, let alone a rifle:

A FATHER'S ADVICE

If a sportsman true you'd be, listen carefully to me.

Never, never let your gun pointed be at any one

That it may unloaded be, matters not the least to me.

When a hedge or fence you cross, though of time it cause a loss

From your gun the cartridge take, for the greater safety sake.

If 'twixt you and neighbouring gun, bird may fly or beast may run,

Let this maxim e'er be thine, "Follow not across the line."



Stops and beaters, oft unseen, lurk behind some leafy screen

Calm and steady always be, "Never shoot where you can't see."

Keep your place and silent be; Game can hear and game can see.

Don't be greedy, better spared is a pheasant, than one shared.

You may kill, or you may miss, but at all times think of this:

"All the pheasants ever bred won't repay for one man's dead."

It is a hundred years old but still as good today as it ever was.

The kid should loose his right to hunt with a firearm, but mandated insurance is not a good idea. It's not as if it's going to make people behave more sensibly in the field, in fact it may have the opposite effect.

I still think insurance is a good idea if one hunts in "crowded" areas, but that is mainly due where I live. If I hunted the great west I should expect that common sense and care should be enough.

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Get this, here in this great state of NH one does not have to have liability insurance to drive a car. Imagine that.....you are allowed to drive a 5000 lb weapon and if you don't have a pot to pee in and run someone over they are SOOL! When I moved here from NJ a few years ago I thought my FIL was joking when he told me. Guess who foots the bill for the uninsured drunks plowing their cars into snow banks and trees?

That's not to say I agree with "hunter's insurance".....no chance I'm paying for that!



Norton,

I think you should go back to NJ. Please. We don't need you or any more of you NJ types to come here and tell us the way it should be. BTW, like Gatorgordo, I'd put my teenaged son against 99% of the adult hunters I've ever met when it comes to safe gun handling and judgement when it comes to hunting and shooting sports. Yes, he's got less life experience but he's been taught well and held accountable.


Did I tell you what to do? Don't think liability insurance to drive a car is prudent? Think it's the taxpayer's responsibility to pay for damage done by negligent, uninsured drivers? Oh, let me guess.....you don't need insurance like your hero fatcat?

If someone with your thought processes is teaching a teenager anything similar to what you infer in your post, I wouldn't let the kid tie his own shoelaces, much less handle a firearm.

You're not too smart, huh?

And I'll give you a chance to try and explain the statement below:

I think you should go back to NJ. Please. We don't need you or any more of you NJ types to come here and tell us the way it should be.


I'll explain it quite succintly; If you don't like what you've found here in NH, leave. Go back to the paradise that is New Jersey. Have a nice day.


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Get this, here in this great state of NH one does not have to have liability insurance to drive a car. Imagine that.....you are allowed to drive a 5000 lb weapon and if you don't have a pot to pee in and run someone over they are SOOL! When I moved here from NJ a few years ago I thought my FIL was joking when he told me. Guess who foots the bill for the uninsured drunks plowing their cars into snow banks and trees?

That's not to say I agree with "hunter's insurance".....no chance I'm paying for that!



Norton,

I think you should go back to NJ. Please. We don't need you or any more of you NJ types to come here and tell us the way it should be. BTW, like Gatorgordo, I'd put my teenaged son against 99% of the adult hunters I've ever met when it comes to safe gun handling and judgement when it comes to hunting and shooting sports. Yes, he's got less life experience but he's been taught well and held accountable.


Did I tell you what to do? Don't think liability insurance to drive a car is prudent? Think it's the taxpayer's responsibility to pay for damage done by negligent, uninsured drivers? Oh, let me guess.....you don't need insurance like your hero fatcat?

If someone with your thought processes is teaching a teenager anything similar to what you infer in your post, I wouldn't let the kid tie his own shoelaces, much less handle a firearm.

You're not too smart, huh?

And I'll give you a chance to try and explain the statement below:

I think you should go back to NJ. Please. We don't need you or any more of you NJ types to come here and tell us the way it should be.


I'll explain it quite succintly; If you don't like what you've found here in NH, leave. Go back to the paradise that is New Jersey. Have a nice day.


Hey blowhard.....I said I didn't like the fact that automobile liability insurance isn't mandatory in NH. Douchebags like you just happen to be part of the undergrowth in this fine state. Instead of calling me names, how about a cogent response to the specific NH issue I mentioned?
 
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First off, I NEVER called you any names, read my posts. You're the one who called me a "douche bag" and blow hard. You also accused me of not being very smart without knowing anything about me. I never questioned your intelligence but I'm starting to....

Secondly, my comments are in direct response to your comments regarding auto insurance. Do I think having liability insurance is a good idea? Of course I do. I also wear my seat belt every time I get in a car but I don't feel that government should compel anyone to do the same. I've never smoked but don't think it's any of my business if you want to. That's the way NH used to be. Now, with the influx of people from places like NJ, we're becoming the same nanny state that you left behind.


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Far be it from me to interrupt a robust verbal slapfight Wink , but I'm going to make an exception here. Unbeknownst to either of you gents, I've hunted with the both of you, and call you both good friends. Know what? This is a perfect example of how the web is often a poor medium for dialogue, as I'd bet my bottom dollar that you guys would get along very nicely, and have views that are essentially the same, and in person both of you donkeys would realize right off that we're on the same team. Trust me?

Now, if you'd like, by all means, continue with the trading of blows, but I just thought to interject my pair of coppers on the matter before words are said that may render it impossible for me to get both of you out with me and go hunting together, and that'd be a damned shame.

Carry on. Smiler


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Far be it from me to interrupt a robust verbal slapfight Wink , but I'm going to make an exception here. Unbeknownst to either of you gents, I've hunted with the both of you, and call you both good friends. Know what? This is a perfect example of how the web is often a poor medium for dialogue, as I'd bet my bottom dollar that you guys would get along very nicely, and have views that are essentially the same, and in person both of you donkeys would realize right off that we're on the same team. Trust me?

Now, if you'd like, by all means, continue with the trading of blows, but I just thought to interject my pair of coppers on the matter before words are said that may render it impossible for me to get both out with me and have you shake hands before we go hunting together, and that'd be s a shame.

Carry on. Smiler


I totally agree KG......as I've said many times, this petty nonsense gets out of hand quickly on here when in person we'd have a hearty laugh and stimulating banter.

My apologies to The Slug for tossing a few verbal salvos that were probably unwarranted. I am by no means a fan of big gov't., but am also a realist in that very few people will "do the right thing" on their own anymore without a kick in the ass from Uncle Sam(and everyone's watching too closely for us to do it).

Look forward to a day afield with the 2 of you.
 
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Agreed. Guess I was being a bit of a dick. Sorry to the rest who had to watch the whole sordid mess.


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Agreed. Guess I was being a bit of a dick. Sorry to the rest who had to watch the whole sordid mess.


Good men. Save it for the jackasses who truly deserve it. Like Fatcat. knife Big Grin wave


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I want to know how you mistake a Person for a Bear.I could care less about if the careless Hunter is Eight or Eighty,it should not have happened.Sueing will solve nothing and dont need the Gubmint to mandate Insursance.I think the Kid has lost his right to own guns,as would any bonehead who would do that!!!


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Some things you should only get to screw up once at. I'd also like to see FatCat back up those numbers. His 1/250,000 seems a bit more dangerous than reality. How do non-hunters fit into that equation? The lady killed by the kid in the start of this wasn't a hunter. If a hunter dies of a heart attack while hunting, is he included? People die and shit happens. This kid screwed up, but sometimes shit just happens. Looking for who to sue isn't the answer. We hunters and outdoorsmen "police" ourselves much harder than the law or other "groups" do. When was the last time you heard outrage from drivers because of a death caused by a car? Unfortunately, people are killed in accidents everyday. If you are going to be alive, you assume some risk of death. The whole situation with insurance, autos, and lawyers is a circus. Why would anyone want to wish a circus on hunting and gun ownership, if they are supposed to be Pro hunting/guns?


Back up those numbers? I've had this discussion with you before about your inability to do your own research/thinking. However, just to give you a hint, look here......Texas Hunting accident reports


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Not sure what is trying to be proven with all these numbers, but as an ex-hunter ed instructor, when those numbers on hunter related accidents are compiled, they include such things as a hunter getting spurred up by a wounded turkey.

They also include people being hit by a few shotgun pellets while dove/waterfowl hunting.

Do accidents happen while hunting, yes they do.

That does not mean hunters should be required to carry insurance, and just because they don't does not make them irresponsible or careless.

If a hunter wants to purchase insurance to cover themself in case of a mishap, that is fine.

Forcing everyone to do so is bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag I don't care who you are.


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