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I still enjoy watching most hunting shows on TV, mainly because no matter how bad they are, they are still better than 99% of the crap on now. But what blows my mind is just how bad a shot some of these show stars make with both gun and bow. I just watched some show where a guy had a nice buck standing broadside, 30 yards away and gut shot it..from a rest with a scoped muzzle loader! I've seen more terrible shots with a bow than I can count and they always say "We hit him good but we are going to back out of here and come back in the morning". Horseshit! You shot him through the paunch and will be lucky if you and all your buddies ever find him! There is one show on TV that my kids really enjoy because the host is very entertaining but I don't think I have ever seen him make a good shot. We all miff one every now and then so I guess I am just venting because of all the anti-hunting sentiment that is going on, but all these lousy shots on TV where they leave an animal out overnight is certainly not painting us in a good light. 30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking. | ||
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I always like well we better wait until tomorrow to follow it up. IE. meaning I made a bad shot. Meaning the meat is going to be ruined any animal that is left over night the died more then a few hours of being found. the meat is going to be tainted. These shows are a joke I don't watch them | |||
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I like to search thru youtube because they are much shorter but what drives me nuts is all the heavy metal rock these guys feel the need to dub in or twangy CW. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Exactly! In 1973 I killed a 5x5 bull elk at noon on opening day of Colorado's bow season. I waited 1/2 hour before I started looking for him and found him 1/2 hour after that. I then gutted him but did not quarter him. By the time I went home, got my truck, got back to him, and got him home it was 6 o'clock that evening. The half that laid on the ground those 5+ hours soured. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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There are some who clearly have no clue what they are doing. There is one woman who is shooting birds in Argentina. They show an over the shoulder shot. She doesn’t even have her head down on the gun. I can’t believe they didn’t edit that out. She is good looking . She is famous. I have to wonder how many of these big buck killers are doing so behind a high fence. I belong to a private club that has perhaps the best Osceola turkey hunting anywhere. There are a couple of guys who work there that are natural born killers. They have filmed many shows with these hunting celebrities. They have also filmed with some of the world championship callers. These two guys just laugh at them, particularly the celebrities. The stories they tell. | |||
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And that is what is causing the problem, those that either on TV or the internet that simply believe that everything has to be a "High Five-Slap Someones Ass" celebration when a kill is made. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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This is one post of yours that I can agree with 100% and also agrees with some of the comments I've made on your lengthy thread! | |||
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Most are if they pass up decent bucks or pass up big bucks (can't afford to shoot that one). Or one sees more then one booner in the pictures at one time. One knows they are not hunting wild deer. | |||
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All of those are good. My favorite is when the animal is on the ground and dead. The guide and so called hunter are still whispering to each other. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. | |||
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That is one of the reasons why my boss won't hunt with me anymore . He is a good man and I feel privledged that Lora and I are included in his extended family, but he will get in a box blind 100 to nearly 200 yards downwind or crosswind of a feeder, and if any talking is done its whispering like kids in church! When Lora and I go out we carry on normal conversations while in the blind. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I like it when they get all of their camo garb on, ozonics, scent spray everything, to sit in an enclosed blind. They do that for several days then tell us how hard they've been hunting. If they weren't hunting these highly managed, low pressure, small private grounds, they'd be lost as a goose as to what to do. Shockey, meat eater, Eastman's, and Randy Newberg's show are really the only one's tolerable, but they're all better than watching the batchelor, politicians, etc. | |||
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I'm gonna ramble a bit here... Too many of today's hunting/fishing shows have been spawned by the 'my dick is bigger than yours' crowd, mostly a generation that grew up during the growth of the internet, i.e. from the late '80s to the present. These shows, along with the proliferation of commercialism involved, haven't done much to help promote hunting, per se. In contrast, during the '60s and '70s, the Emmy award winning The American Sportsman show was about the only show of its kind available. And it was even on ABC -- one of the three major networks at the time. The hosts over the show’s entire existence were all class acts. The first was war hero Joe Foss. I didn't know him well, but did get to meet and shake hands with him once. Later, Grits Gresham had a brief stint, but the longest reigning host was Curt Gowdy. I was friends with Gresham -- and his son Tom -- for many years and often broke bread with them at the annual OWAA (Outdoor Writers of America Association) meetings. I also knew Gowdy through OWAA. The last time I saw him was at a conference in Florida when he received OWAA's 'Excellence in Craft' award. Gresham and Gowdy have passed on, but Tom, who hosts the “Gun Talk” radio show, and I are still long-time friends. For those who never saw it, the filming of The American Sportsman was top notch. Each episode normally included a celebrity and the host either hunting or fishing somewhere. I distinctly recall several shows even now, nearly 40 years later. One that stands out was baseball great and devout fly fisherman Ted Williams and Gowdy fishing in his home state of WY. Early on, when cable TV began to make inroads (early '80s?), a few shows began to crop up, first on ESPN and later on the more dedicated Outdoor Channel. At first, many of the shows were decent knockoffs of The American Sportsman or otherwise well-done shows where the host was the sole hunter or fisherman. Many of the best ones were sponsored by various organizations. Again, back then, I knew many of the hosts personally. Jim Zumbo quickly comes to mind. We first met one day in 1976 in Yellowstone NP when we were both early on in our writing careers. That night, Zumbo (along with a WY guide/outfitter named Gabby Barrus) and I had dinner and drinks together. In the '80s when Jim was a contributing editor at Outdoor Life, he convinced his boss to make me a state editor. Our friendship has endured to the present. Later in 2005 when the need for another outdoor media group occurred, Jim and I, along with seven other outdoor writers that were chosen at a meeting by our peers during the SHOT show and SCI convention (teleconference vote from SCI), got together in Alabama and over three days formed POMA, the Professional Outdoor Media Association.  But I digress... Like others have stated, I find much of today's programming on the Outdoor and Sportsman's channels in need of major revamping. Don't expect anything soon, however. Unless something has changed, I believe most of these programs are self-supporting. The hosts literally find their own sponsors and buy their half-hour of fame from the cable station. That's why the commercial time is often more than the actual show segments.  And even during the actual programs, the hosts tout their sponsors' gear. I expect it will only get worse rather than better. That’s probably why I haven’t tuned into either of the hunting/fishing channels I receive for at least a year. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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x2. Uncle Ted's "spirit of the timed feeder" is about as pathetic as it gets. It's legal and I won't condemn it but that's not hunting. | |||
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I pretty much stopped watching hunting shows on TV after the American Sportsman went off the air. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Was the way a poor farm boy went hunting and fishing places he could only dream about. Till available on you tube | |||
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I will never forget the shows with Phil Harris and Bing Crosby or those like Gov. John Connally hunting elephant. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Harris and Crosby were a real pair, LOL! | |||
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Damn, I miss those days! As a boy growing up...I lived to watch American Sportsman on Sunday afternoon. I can still hear Curt Gowdy’s voice. Celebs like Crosby, politicians like Connally, athletes like Jack Nicklaus, etc etc all enjoying adventure, outdoors, and the great sports of hunting and fishing. Man...to go back to those days! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I watched a episode it was Lee wuff and Growdy fishing brook trout in Labrador. Saying to each other well we will not be telling any body else about this place. Then lamenting about how over fishing would kill it. While they got paid to tell the whole world. I loved the shows but really. | |||
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I loved those American Sportsman shows, and loved Curt Gowdy's narration. Brings back lots of good memories. I think there were even a movie or two done by Gowdy that my dad took me to IIRC. | |||
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Actually, most of Gowdy's fame was tied to his announcing of various competitive sports. Most notably he was the play-by-play guy for the Boston Red Sox for many years. That's how he got to know Ted Williams well. But he also did a lot of football and the Olympics for NBC. JG, I don't recall any movies other than ones where he made brief appearances as an announcer. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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To go back even a little farther I believe I remember a show that was aired, before American Sportsman came along, and was possioble done by Sports Afield, and it had Lee Wulff fishing in Newfoundland and hunting Moose. I do not knowc if anyone else remembers that or if I am just hallucinating. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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This may be what you're talking about CHC: Salar, the Leaper (1957) Approved | 8min | Documentary, Short, Sport | 1957 (USA) The joy of fishing for Atlantic salmon in New Brunswick, Canada. Director: Douglas Sinclair Writer: Earle Luby Stars: André Baruch, Lee Wulff, Twirly Palmer | |||
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That might be it. If I am not mistaken, Wulff demonstrated fly fishing without a rod. He was tall enough and his arms long enough he could make casts of a few yards without a rod. Thanks for posting that. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yes, there are two short black and white videos by that name on Youtube of him salmon fishing with a flyrod, so you have a good memory Randall. If you just google that name you can watch them. | |||
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IMDB shows 4 acting credits for Curt Gowdy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0332954/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I watched one today called "Extreme Range" or something like that with a guy who promotes his rifles. Shot an antelope at 480 yards but as he is walking up to it he looks at the camera and says, "I will be honest with you...I wished he was farther." WTF??? | |||
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Not that I know of, but some of the "Celebrations" I have seen on some of the videos, that is what looks like is coming next! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Long Range Pursuit maybe? Hawking Gunwerks rifles? I do hate that show and have seen plenty of terrible shots by some of the long range experts on it. 30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking. | |||
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I like to shoot at long range. Shooting and hunting are two different things. I can’t watch those shows anymore. | |||
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When it come time to shoot it is shooting. No matter how much hunting you have done. | |||
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Saeed has stated the same basic thing. At Point B the "Hunter" becomes a "SHOOTER", gun or bow. If the SHOT is NOT taken, there will be No Kill, End Of Story!!! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Same here Sir! I got into it with Beck by email about his shitty show and his response was: "Me and the wife have to eat just like you!" | |||
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I think you all are missing what I am saying. I love to ring a gong at long range. However, when I hunt, I do not seek out long range shots and will only take one if there is no other option. | |||
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I'm more in line with where larryshores is going. There's a big difference in making the shot in a hunting situation, and just going out in the field for a day of shooting. I met that clown Beck at the DSC show. Clown is putting it nicely. | |||
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Man....are all you guys showing your age or what?  American Sportsman....really?  | |||
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Okay, when you are at the range whether it is a gong or piece of paper, if you are going to hit it you are going to have to SHOOT, Yes/No???? When you are on a hunt and the animal of your choice shows up at a range you are comfortable with, if you are going to kill it you are going to have to SHOOT, Yes/No? Paper/Metal Plate/White Tail Deer/Feral hog, if a person is going to hit any of them, whether to get a tight group/ring the gong/or kill the critter, They Have To SHOOT!!!!!!! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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It was really good show. The only one I have seen in recent times are the episodes of Tracks Across Africa I have ran across. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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