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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I am not an attorney, have not played one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...so take this FWIW!

It seems to me that if the TZ government allowed export and did not deem the "hunter" in violation of a law...the Lacey Act would not kick in.

Will check on that. Perhaps "Blanco County" or "Safari Lawyer" might chime in and opine???

I'm not a lawyer either but it seems that the client would have broken the law for shooting a non suitable lion (under 6) but is still being allowed to keep the trophy once the penalties have been paid for?

Mich,
If this is the case...the hunter would be subject to prosecution in US by USF&W under the Lacey Act.

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Then no trophy export it is!

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The Lacey Act provides that it is unlawful for any person to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase any fish or wildlife or plant taken, possessed, transported, or sold in violation of any law, treaty, or regulation of the United States or in violation of any Indian tribal law whether in interstate or foreign commerce.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What...ey_act#ixzz1arJCkRaW

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I vote "No" on permitting the hunter to import an unsuitable lion trophy. A non-importation rule would add "teeth" to the regulations, if you'll pardon the pun.

Both the lion hunter and his PH - and I would say even the outfitter - should have skin in the game.

If a hunter knows that he will not be allowed to import a trophy deemed unsuitable, he will be inclined to educate himself about the best means of aging lions in the field.

He will also be inclined to have a frank discussion with his outfitter and PH at the outset of his safari. Who should rightly have to pay the trophy fee for a lion that is deemed shootable by the PH, but later deemed unsuitable by the authorities? The hunter? The PH? The outfitter? Should it be paid 50-50 by the hunter and the outfitter?

These are interesting questions to me. My sense is that the hunter should have to pay at least something - after all, he pulls the trigger. And he should not be able to import an underaged lion trophy.

These rules, coupled with the PH sanctions already in the regulations, would strengthen the disincentives to the taking of young and unsuitable lions.

Lion hunters will be very careful about accepting a PH's recommendation under such regulations, and will hold back unless the trophy is pretty close to a sure thing.

Andrew Holmberg once wrote that he never even had to think about trophy quality when guiding hunters. That was because he disregarded anything questionable. Anything he recommended shooting was an obvious trophy, the quality of which fairly screamed "SHOOT ME!"

I like that standard, but these days it would mean coming home empty handed from many a lion hunt. Hunters need to know, understand and accept that, for the good of the game.

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Problem is, 505 is hunting with us next week, so I'll have to listen to this in person too.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Problem is, 505 is hunting with us next week, so I'll have to listen to this in person too.

You have no idea, I have about 6 months worth of talking points, some ears are going to be burning next week.....where's the flip off emoticon???

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Hope you give a big tip for the added therapy sessions.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Hope you give a big tip for the added therapy sessions.

more like a bill for the education.

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BIG BUCKS!!

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more like a bill for the education.

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An education on patience and restraint.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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An education on patience and restraint.

It is difficult for the children to sit still and listen sometimes.

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Especially when the verboseness is pestilent to the brain.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Especially when the verboseness is pestilent to the brain.

as logic, rationale, reason and coherent thought typically are to the brainwashed, self serving masses.