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I can't beleive that some people think the Buyer did something wrong by placing a $0.01 bid. Why would he not? When you look at an auction you have to assume that what you see listed is accurate. If you can't then the auction site is a complete was of time. What some of your guys are saying is that before I bid I have to stop and ask myself "Did the seller really want to sell this for a penny or is he just a complete moron?". Sorry but it is not my job to proctect you from your own stupidity. I get it that a penny was not a reasonable price and I get it that you fucked up and I get it that the buyer was an ass. But maybe it is not the first time some asshole seller screwed him over (intentionally or otherwise). If the auction allows it bidding a penny is completely valid and a buyer is not at fault for doing so. It's not his fault the seller did not know what he was doing. Ethics? How about not trying to blame someone else when you fuck up? The thread was never about ethics. It was about someone looking for validation and for others to tell him everything is OK and he really did not fuck up and bad as he already knows he did. | |||
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Are you done using the F word or should we dedicate this page to it??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Yes the shop keeper is required by law to sell one of the items at the advertised but incorrect price.
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No one said the buyer should NOT have bid $0.01 on the gun. But...when seller said that he made a mistake...it should have ended there. Post negatve feedback...which he did...to voice your opinion. Buyer was NOT screwed out of anything...he has all he came to the auction with still in his possession...including his penny.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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This hits the nail squarely on the head. I agree 100%.
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You do not troll in the mud for a trophy fish, or as a former gov. and pres from Arkansas said if you drag a $20 through a trailer park what do you think your going to get. There is only 1 reason to place the starting bid at .01 and it will not get you the high end bidder. By the way, what were you trying to sell and why did you think it would not have brought more! | |||
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KB, I think you should move on. This is resolved. Keeping this going and entertaining all-comers is an exercise in a self-beating | |||
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I usually like it when Stonecreek posts, because, like in this case, I can just say +1 | |||
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I'm a serious buyer (or at least was, now I'm about to become a serious seller) and I can guarantee you that I've bought more guns online (100s) than Stonecreek or you and I bid in reserve auctions all the time. Some sellers have reasonable reserves, some don't. How are you hurt if you place your top bid and it doesn't buy it because it didn't meet the reserve? Answer, you aren't. I have several times bought a gun at a lower than the reserved price by being the high bidder and the seller contacts me after the auction and agrees to accept my bid. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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You said it better than I did. I wouldn't expect to get it for that price either. US Army 1977-1998 | |||
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when a 12 yr old boy bids a penny you try not to laugh, act mad and make him stand in the corner. his brain is not fully developed when a grown man pulls this then complains he is a scam artist and should get jailtime . the scam would likely work as is prooved by about half the posts here,you dont reward a scam,but some never figure out its a scam. duckboat is right . k.b. never intended to give the rifle away just made a mistake, which is going to be a common occorence on a site like this and some dick is trolling, and some will give in and he probably gets a free gun or whatever once in a while from somebody with a low stress level or i.q. If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tuff. | |||
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I'm thinking we get at least 6 pages out of this thread. LWD | |||
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Values and ethics aren't quite the same thing. A buyer saw an auction with a minimum bid of 1 cent. He made that bid and won the auction. He expected you to live up to the contract (whether it is actual or implied is open to conjecture) Ethically he is in the clear even though his coming off like a prick for whatever reason shows a screwed up sense of values. On the other hand: You posted an auction starting at a penny. You didn't like the potential outcome and broke GB rules to get out from under your mistake. That's unethical. Ethically you take responsibility for your mistakes. You then have stated essentially that you can do whatever you want and you don't care what anyone, including Gunbroker have to say about it. In effect you're saying the rules don't apply to you. Your values are skewed. So we have a buyer with ok ethics (at fece value), and poor values. We also have a seller with poor ethics and values both. Lose/lose Neither of you should be playing the auction game. I for one would appreciate knowing both your and the bidders user names on GB so I can avoid selling to him or buying from you. Life's too short. | |||
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BigNick, No problem. Give me your user name on GB, and I'll put you on my blocked bidder list. That should solve any problem of you having to worry about bidding on my sales. BTW, you can count on me remembering to not bid on your listings. Trust me. Regards, KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Well now, that is complete bullshit. You have called him a scammer and, what was it, a penny troller? Something like that. You have also said he was trying to steal from you. I'm beginning to think that you are a bit dense. I'm trying to figure out what it is that you don't get. So, I'll try again. I ran two auctions - starting at a penny, no reserve. The same guy almost immediately bid on both ads. No problem - so far. Since it started at a penny, there was no way to tell really what his initial bid was at that time since it's gonna show a penny whatever it was, until there's another bid. I still don't know what GB's actual minimum bid is, but whatever that is, that was his initial bid. I figurd that out later through email. On one of the auctions, there were subsequent bids by the next day, which precluded the scammer from participating anymore, unless of course he was really interested in the rifle at market price, in which case he could have continued to bid, or offered some reasonable bid in the first place. One rifle had several watchers but only the one bid, with a little over six days left to run, on a seven day auction. I decided to close the bidding, and relist with a starting price I could live with. To my surprise, that resulted in the rifle to be shown as sold for a penny, which was emailed to the "winner". He promptly emailed me to arrange shipment of the rifle he had won. I informed him no-sale. He protested, and threatened legal action. So, on the second auction, his initial bid was easily trumped, because it was minimum. He had no intent of bidding in good faith, but instead apparantly places minimum bids on lots of auctions, which are run starting at a penny, with no reserve. He discovers them through the GB search tools. I said all this initially. If you would read, I wouldn't have to explain it to you again. I'm of the impression that you are trying to lay a trap, and catch me in some contridiction. I don't really believe that you are dense, but merely acting that way. So, again, I don't blame him for the penny bid, but I blame him for trying to act like it was a sale he was entitled to. It was a no-sale - because I said so. It's that simple. I didn't offer to sell for a penny, I offered to sell to the highest bidder - on an auction that runs its course. This one didn't run it's course, by my choice, and the highest bidder is unknown. Surely on a real auction, the highest bid will be greater than a penny, especially if I set the minimum starting number at a reasonable amount. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Flockshooter Is this your first experience in on line auctions??? It looks like it. Have you ever looked at the Ebay auctions??? You would be surprised to find how many no reserve auctions start at $.01. Looks like your own inexperience in auctions has made you look like the village idiot and now you come with you sad tale about how you have been wronged. Pitiful and Pathetic. But please keep on posting......it's fun to watch!!!!  | |||
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So, again, I don't blame him for the penny bid, but I blame him for trying to act like it was a sale he was entitled to. It was a no-sale - because I said so. It's that simple. Well actually its not that simple you cannot just present any item with no reserve and bail on a sale because it doesnt go your way in reality once you do so and list you agree to the terms and run the risk and enter into a legal contract and I warn you keep it up and one day you will run into someone who will take the matter to court and not only will you be handing over a penny rifle but paying his and your legal cost plus court cost | |||
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after reading most of these posts i think im starting to understand how the rich folks think. me i work hard for what i do have and i can gauranty you that i would not sale someone one of my guns for a penny. the way i see this is there are 2 people both trying to take advantage. the seller tried to get out of some of the fees and couldn't stomach the risk. the buyer (who sounds like a obamanite) wants something for nothing. both were wrong. both were trying to get over on someone. both walk away losing nothing. as for all this talk that there is a legal contract that was broken. can someone point out one single time a court has forced someone to sale an item in an online auction? | |||
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TEANCUM, I checked gunbroker.com this morning and easily found over 35 auctions for rifles that had been started for a penny with no reserve. For the whiner who didn't honor the penny bid on an auction that he listed all by himself, do you REALLY think you didn't deserve negative feedback? Is there something wrong with using internet search tools? Is there something wrong with bidding on auctions started at a penny? Are you qualified to judge "good faith" when you don't honor the results of your own auction? | |||
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Well, I'll tell you jerks that it's fine to have an opinion, but it's not changing my mind, and I'll never believe that the scammer should get the rifle for a penny. I'm glad I closed the auction early because I would have gone on never knowing how penny auctions really work, and there are guys out there turning an auction into a game of chance - playing the odds that he'll have a hit, maybe a big one, and "win" something for nothing. What these guys are doing is not good faith bidding. Fortunately I learned my lesson, so it won't be an issue in the future, but given the same circumstances, I would refues to sell for a penny again. I'm glad you nice fellows have given your blessings to scumming. I'm writing all your AR names down for future reference, so I can avoid dealing with you, and remember who you are. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Well, actually it was a no-sale because I said so, and it is that simple. And actually, I'm hopeing that you don't like that. It's that simple because I still have the rifle, and I'm going to run another listing, and sell it to the highest bidder. That's the reality of it, and all the rest is BS, including your opinion. And it's so, simply because I said so. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Asking questions like that are revealing. Do you really need to ask is it alright to be a scammer? I'm qualified to judge situations, and especially good faith, far - far better than you are, IMO. I'm really glad I made it a no sale. And the stuff I've learned here assure me that it was the right thing to do. I can't stand the thought of someone like you or the other scammer on GB, or Teancum beating me out of something valuable for nothing. Of all the people in the world, that I can think of at the moment, the three of you deserve something for nothing the least. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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SKSSHOOTER, I hope to see you at the "Keep Fear Alive" rally on the Washington, DC mall on 10-30-10. Going with the class warfare angle was right on. Classic move. Some guy bid a 1 penny, we all assume he thought he was going to get it for that bid-----but wait there was 6 days and 30 min left in the auction according to the seller when stopped the auction. I assume that when this bidder bid, he assumed someone would bid 2 pennies or more. He just "got lucky" or so he thought. Instead of wanting something for nothing(obamanite), maybe he is Irish and thought he had the "Luck O' the Irish" which is even worse if you ask me. Although it didn't work against Navy this weekend. ND vs. Navy, for those that are not up a college football. I thought the obmamite was a clever also by the way, see you in DC. 10-30-10. "Keep Fear Alive" | |||
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Make that -- Pitiful and Pathetic and Plagiaristic -- in your case. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Kabluewy, quit calling the bidder a scammer. He didn't expect to get it for a penny! YOU allowed his 1 penny bid to win by ending the auction. Don't give the guy the gun, live with the fact that you deserve negative feedback on GB, and Don't call this bidder a scammer--he is not. "I really glad I made it a no sale. And the stuff I've learned here assure me that it was the right thing to do." KABLUEWY. That's really what this whole thread is about-you feeling better about your decision. I'm glad you are "assured" that you are right. My selective reading skills obviously need work. | |||
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As for you, I politely and respectfully disagree with you, in part, as follows: I wasn't trying to take advantage. I was trying to offer something for sale at auction to the highest bidder. That's all. I didn't list it that way to avoid fees, because I didn't even consider the listing fee structure at the time. I think the closing fees are much more significant. Anyway, they are what they are. I wasn't trying to get over on someone, but instead, by closing the auction, and saying it was a no-sale, prevent someone from getting one over on me. I'm not saying that I wasn't wrong, but as they say, "two wrongs don't make it right", but in this case, maybe the old saying is wrong. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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He is and was a scammer. He hoped to get it for a penny, which was his entire basis for bidding. GB allowed the sale to happen for a penny with their software, an error I corrected by email, in saying no-sale. In other words, I over-rode a programming default, with purely a unilatteral say-so, which I believe I had the right to do, under the circumstances. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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I don't think you know what the word scam means. | |||
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Could be that we have a different definition of scam. I use the word in a broad sense, to include something-for-nothing schemes. Here are a few of the definitions I could quickly find: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam http://www.eecl.org/scam/definition.shtml In this case, the definition of scam is a good focus point of discussion. For example - to me: listing a penny auction is not a scam. Bidding on a penny auction is not a scam. Closing a penny auction early is not a scam. Having your maximum bid of $100, show up as $.01, is not a scam. Doing a search of GB, looking for penny auctions, no reserve, and bidding the minimum, on as many as can be found, that some other scammer hasn't beat you to, is within my definition of a scam. I say this because it meets the criteria of looking for something-for-nothing. It makes no different the outcome, whether mistake or just simply the item has no interested bidders, thus ain't worth much. The scammer plays the odds that he'll have a big win. It's not about the concept of "auction", finding the market, at all. It's about the big hit. It's all about intent, and good faith. Listing a penny auction is not an invitation to scam, it's an invitation to bid, and let the market decide the value. And penny auctions will work, as intended by the seller, most of the time, and when they do work, both parties are winners, and happy with the outcome. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Please add me to your list of blocked bidders, GB user name KEBCO If you would be kind enough to post your user name I will be happy to do the same. Thanks Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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Consider it done. Thanks. Anyone else? I wish it was always that easy to identify those who condone scammers and scum. Life and business dealings would be so much simpler. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Please post your user name so I can do the same. I am sure others will also want to block you. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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I am offering a Nickle and I will pay the shipping.Thats a 400% better offer than your last Bid!!!  | |||
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I kick myself for the mistake on GB primarily because by doing that I expose myself to a whole undercurrent of scum, flowing on the bottom of auction sites, fed by the notion of something-for-nothing, and facilitated by penny auctions. I had been happily trucking along, setting my minimum/maximum bid amounts, selling and buying on GB, with 86 favorable feed-backs. I think you can rely on the favorable feed backs as a good indicator of my good faith dealings on GB, and I have 98 favorable feedbacks on Ebay, with none unfavorable. My days of listing penny auctions are over. So, I decline your invitation to give you my GB user name, because there are scum here too, who would mess me up if they could, and who would figure a way to use info like that to do harm. I try to avoid scum. Regards, KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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