The settlement covers more than a dozen models, specifically the Model 700, Seven, Sportsman 78, 673, 710, 715, 770, 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725
They where sued earlier on certain 700's but it appears the G has forced them to repair the triggers on every last one due to unexplained discharges....this will take years to complete


At least two dozen deaths and more than 100 serious injuries have been linked to inadvertent discharges of Remington 700 series rifles.

In court filings, Remington denied the allegations, calling them "inaccurate, misleading, (and) taken out of context." And last year, a judge dismissed several of the claims, including negligence and fraudulent concealment. But by this July, the parties announced they were working out details of a "nationwide class settlement" involving the controversial gun.

Under the settlement, which still must be approved by a judge, Remington has agreed to retrofit the rifles in question at no cost to the owner. Many users had new trigger mechanisms installed on their own, and Remington will reimburse them as part of the settlement. For guns that cannot be retrofitted, the company plans to offer vouchers for Remington products.

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Well, the last thing I would want is to send in a Remington from the 70's when they actually had someone who could build one and get the POS that they have been turning out the last 10 years. I'm down to 3 700's and a 600. I have never had a problem with any of these, so they won't get to mess with them in my lifetime.

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Many users had new trigger mechanisms installed on their own, and Remington will reimburse them as part of the settlement.

More info on this, would love to get the Timney trigger I installed reimbursed.

Just on a side note, I was always taught to keep things I don't want shot away from the muzzle of the rifle.

I've had a model 700 of some sort since I inherited my first one at 5 or 6 years old that was made in 1976. Owned others and been around many people that owned and hunted with them.
Never saw one fire on its own. They always had help. The only time I saw a Model 700 fire when the person didn't want it to was when they had their finger on the trigger as they pushed the safety off because they had buck fever. I just happen to glance at the same time they pushed the safety off but all that happened was a boom and the deer ran off unscathed. Hardly the rifle's fault.

Senior U.S. District Judge Ortrie Smith has postponed ruling on the settlement, instead scheduling a hearing for Feb. 4. But he is already questioning whether the deal treats owners of the guns fairly, and whether Remington plans to do enough to publicize it. The judge also wants to know more about a provision that allows the company to back out of the deal if too many customers opt out of it.
In his order scheduling the hearing, Smith demands both sides "explain why $10 and $12.50 is a sufficient amount of money to provide these class members when they still will own a firearm that may misfire."
Under the proposed settlement covering nearly 8 million guns produced since 1948, Remington agrees to retrofit most of the rifles, free of charge, with a trigger mechanism the plaintiffs say is safer. But because some of the guns—specifically models 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725—cannot be retrofitted, those owners would instead receive a voucher for $10 or $12.50 worth of Remington products.

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Just on a side note, I was always taught to keep things I don't want shot away from the muzzle of the rifle.

Precisely!
I think the exact words were "never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot...."

I've got a 710 and it shoots MOA and is entirely safe, even if it is a Wally-World Wonder. It isn't going back to Remington for anything.

It would be foolish not to have the gun corrected, if it goes off for whatever reason and there are a million reasons the stuff happens it will be on you, remington will love those people who will relieve them of that liability.

I've owned a number of newer (1990 and later) Remingtons over the years and never had a problem with any of them. Recall be damned, none of them are going back to Remington.

Same for me. I own 2 700's (a .300 Win Mag Sendero and a .308 Win Police) whose triggers I tuned to my liking. I handle all my guns with safety in mind, always, and won't allow anybody to mess up my adjustments.

when a trigger malfunctions it is due to a design error, unless you are qualified to correct this error thenyou should talk to remington It seems remington has no way of correcting this problem without replacing it with a new design which will not malfunction. I don't care how safe you think you are or most accidents occur from mishandling, this firing mechanism has a serious flaw which has nothing to do with mishandling it just goes off. Because of this there is no way you can be certain where your muzzle is when the remington decides on its own when to discharge, its like an air bag that goes off when it wants

I own several Rem 700's and it seems to me that there could be serious liability issues if one decides not to send the gun to Remington, but then subsequently sells the gun without disclosing this fact. On the other hand, Remington has always had very good triggers, and I wonder what the replacement trigger will be like. It might be "safer", but perhaps not as "good" ie. creep, letoff etc. etc.
I wonder why the Rem 788 was not mentioned in the list above? Oversight?
I am not a Remington trigger problem "denier" as some seem to be, although I have not had a problem personally.
Peter.

I've owned M700's for 30 years and never had a problem and wouldn't send a rifle back to the factory on a bet. Just ordered Jard triggers for mine and will take care of it myself.
This is a typical class action lawsuit. The lawyers get rich and the class gets nothing.

I've got three guns right now that fall under the edit, an M722 with a factory trigger, an M722 with a Timney, and an M700 with a Shilien. The two custom-triggered guns are adjusted the way I want, and are safe...the other gun is as adjusted at the factory, and does NOT have old hardened oil or grease inside. It's been cleaned and air-blown and for the last ten years, since I've owned it, been done at least once a year.
As always, keep the muzzle pointed away from things that don't need to be shot.
Have fun,
Gene

The 788 trigger is a totally different design. There is a modification Remington could do to fix the older triggers, but I think when you push the pencil, because of the cost of repairing, which requires trained repair people and equipment, it is less costly to make the new trigger and it also eliminates trying to explain the process to a judge and the liberal news media.

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I've had a model 700 of some sort since I inherited my first one at 5 or 6 years old that was made in 1976. Owned others and been around many people that owned and hunted with them.
Never saw one fire on its own. They always had help. The only time I saw a Model 700 fire when the person didn't want it to was when they had their finger on the trigger as they pushed the safety off because they had buck fever. I just happen to glance at the same time they pushed the safety off but all that happened was a boom and the deer ran off unscathed. Hardly the rifle's fault.

If you adjust the 700 trigger too light, it will go off if you just touch your finger on the trigger and take the safety off. It is one of my tests when I adjust those triggers.

These days, the Savage AccuTrigger is far superior to the Rem model. In fact, the only one I like better is the Jewell, which is in a league of its own.

My rifle will be staying home.

It gets cleaned before it goes to the range.
Never had a problem.

raamw, the Rem 700 trigger 'just goes off'. Really ?
Well, it will not fire w/ an open bolt Or empty chamber.
If the chamber has a round in it and the bolt is closed, the rifle should be pointed in a safe direction.
Maybe this is Darwin at work. Anyone that lets a loaded rifle be pointed at them needs to be around different people ! Anyone that points a loaded rifle at me will only do it once !
If you are hanging around w/ idiots, STOP. If you are an idiot, stop spending time around others.

Read this and look at what you said
he settlement involves a class action suit brought in 2013 by Ian Pollard of Concordia, Missouri, who claimed his Remington 700 rifle fired on multiple occasions without the trigger being pulled. The agreement also settles a similar class action case in Washington state.The Pollard suit accused Remington and its owners of negligence, breach of warranty, unfair and deceptive trade practices, and fraudulent concealment—some of it involving the company's formal response to the 2010 CNBC documentary.

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raamw, the Rem 700 trigger 'just goes off'. Really ?
Well, it will not fire w/ an open bolt Or empty chamber.
If the chamber has a round in it and the bolt is closed, the rifle should be pointed in a safe direction.
Maybe this is Darwin at work. Anyone that lets a loaded rifle be pointed at them needs to be around different people ! Anyone that points a loaded rifle at me will only do it once !
If you are hanging around w/ idiots, STOP. If you are an idiot, stop spending time around others.

This as simple as I can put it, yes keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction is the cardinal rule but now how does a gun that can and will discharge at any time affect the rule. If a bullet gets fired at something you did not intend to destroy how do you know where that bullet went, it is like shooting at a target on the horizon without a known backstop...a responsible shooter would not take the shot but you say you are confident in any situation that an unintended shot will not hit anything....

I replaced my factory Remington 700 SPS tactical trigger when the first recall notice came down with a Timney trigger I bought on E-Bay. I'd planned on changing out the trigger anyway as the factory trigger would not adjust below 4 1/2 pounds and was gritty.

This was some months ago and don't know what the lag time is now but Remington said send them my gun and expect it to be returned in about 6 months or so as there was a backlog of trigger replacements, REALLY !!.

The Timney trigger is much better and doesn't need a gunsmith to do the change.

There probably is going to be a shortage of aftermarket triggers in the near future for Remington products.

I didn't research the issue at the time I replaced my trigger. Has anyone actually been injured or is this kind of like the limp-wrist Glock issue?

This is a limp brain or brainless issue.

All my old Remington 700's will be staying home too. Most of the trigger problems are pilot error in my opinion.

I SUSPECT what will happen is that Remington will provide the recall and the associated work on all of the returned rifles. I'm sure the new triggers will be different and recognizable. At some point Remington will be able to absolve itself from issues with the existing triggers and the liability will shift to the owners of the remaining rifles. Happened to the Pinto gas tanks.

I will probably not send mine back, but may replace them on my own. I can just see the lawyered up new triggers with the 45# pull.

Actually Ford was resolved of the pinto gas tanks when they proved that those girls had filled up at a gas station and neglected to put the gas cap on properly which resulted in the fire after they where rear ended.

A. Incident Facts

On August 10, 1978, three teenage girls stopped to refuel the 1973 Ford Pinto sedan they were driving. After filling up, the driver loosely reapplied the gas cap which subsequently fell off as they headed down U. S. Highway 33. Trying to retrieve the cap, the girls stopped in the right lane of the highway shoulder since there was no space on the highway for cars to safely pull off the roadway. Shortly thereafter, a van weighing over 400 pounds and modified with a rigid plank for a front bumper was traveling at fifty five miles an hour and stuck the stopped Pinto. The two passengers died at the scene when the car burst into flames. The driver was ejected and died shortly thereafter in the hospital. Inspecting the van shortly after the accident, the police found open beer bottles, marijuana and caffeine pills inside.6

I don't care how much denial there is, I experienced a mod 700 going off when I moved the safety so bolt could be opened to be sure it was unloaded. Finger was NOT on trigger. It was pointed in a safe direction, but it is still a dangerous situation. My late gunsmith friend acknowledged there was a problem, but he said a simple fix.

I agree with carpetman1. Just because someone hasn't personally seen something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It is just up to every individual as to how they will handle this. I still haven't seen a link as to this settlement or how one would go about the process.

And raamw, your Pinto single account does not address the 30 million recalled and when Ford ended liability. There was more then one incident, including six deaths.

Pinto recall

God bless those girls but it took two idiots to do what happened, any car made at that time would have done the same, even tho pinto got blamed for the stupidity of a couple people could cause a manufacturer to incur such tremendous expense does not seem right. As far as 6 other people being killed that doesn't surprise me since over 3 million where made. My cousin was killed in a single car crash along with 4 of his buddies when there gas tank exploded when they spun out of control and hit a tree backwards. Chevy never paid out nor where they sued over a faulty gas tanks...consumer has to accept a certain amount liability especially when stupid reckless acts are done, your fault my fault anybodies fault

Seems like some people on this forum would drive around with the idea that they are such great drivers they will never be rear ended...to me best offense is a good defense.


I have a 700 in 300wn from the very early 70's, it has never misfired but knowing what I know now it will sit unfired until l I get it fixed, it is one thing to do a stupid act in which you hurt yourself but I know for a fact I would not want to injure or kill someone because of a pig headed "It won't happen cause I am immune to uncontrollable acts" point of view
I can see gun clubs not allowing them on the ranges without proof of repair

If a manufacturer is found to have knowledge of a serious flaw which can endanger the public and they do nothing to correct it they should be sued till it puts them out of business, but we have a sue crazy society fueled by the greed of lawyers who stand to get rich on these ridiculous suits. The government years ago approved a frivolous law suit fine which stopped almost 50% of lawsuits being filed

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Post a link?

Anyone?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102236497#.

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Originally posted by sputster:
Post a link?

Anyone?

I replaced the trigger on my 6 year old Rem 700 two years ago. I'm skeptical by nature and wasn't buying the stories I read about one of my favorite rifles. Then, a guy I worked with shared a story of an unintentional fire while unloading. I was still not convinced as he was a greenhorn. But, when one of my hunting buddies had the exact same thing happen and it was witnessed another hunter in our group, all of us changed triggers.

I for one will not send anything back to Remington.

Remove the gunk Remy coats the internals with at the factory and the triggers work fine. Have the engaging surfaces polished by a competent jeweler and they work FANTASTIC.

I have never seen a Remington trigger malfunction that had not been "monkeyed with" by the owner.

No sir, my 40Xs, 600s and 700s will stay right where they are thank you very much.

I have no idea how many Remington 700 we have had through the years, and we have had absolutely no problems with any of them.

In fact, the Remington 700 action is one of my favourites.

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Originally posted by raamw:
Remington 700 recall....every last one of them

The settlement covers more than a dozen models, specifically the Model 700, Seven, Sportsman 78, 673, 710, 715, 770, 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725
They where sued earlier on certain 700's but it appears the G has forced them to repair the triggers on every last one due to unexplained discharges....this will take years to complete

Sounds rather dramatic, but factually incorrect, in my opinion. If the basis is CNBC and the father of the son who was shot and killed by the son's mother when pointing the rifle at the child, then I believe the CNBC article has clear bias. I do not believe that any agreement going before a judge for approval involves a "Remington 700 recall....every last one of them". My opinion, that is false and nothing more than dramatic embellishment.

How did I miss that, Mama wanted to kill her son and wanted Remington to take the fall. Idiot count is going up. The kid was on the other side of a trailer out of site, mother thought the gun was pointed safely was unloading the gun as she has done numerous times and this time something went wrong. How would you like to live with that on your shoulder especially since the malfunction was know was being litigated at the time with an apparent hush order placed on the case. Hush orders are not that odd since they let the facts come out in a proper forum before discrediting a companies name...If you think that the attorneys are fighting tooth and nail and the company is shown to be at fault and some people in their infinite wisdom know better than I rest my case.
There are several million of these guns out there only a handful per se has malfunctioned resulting in 24 deaths and 100's of serious injury. The issue is there is an apparent poor design which can be corrected. The company has agreed to correct this at no cost to the consumers how can you not take advantage of this.
In Illinois trucks need to be inspected for safety and if it fails a critical safety the truck is impounded for the safety of others...I have to agree
I am passing some information that should be looked at, no one is going to put a gun to your head and force you to have your gun fixed, you will be ultimately responsible for what you do, just be comfortable with that decision and hope nothing goes wrong in your particular case.

I am in agreement with the Petzal article, back in 2010, which addressed the CNBC piece. To summarize:

"Everyone shown on the program who was killed or wounded by a 700 suffered because either they themselves or someone else pointed a 700 at them.

This is poignantly illustrated by the death of Gus Barber, a Montana boy who was shot by his mother Barbara in 2000. Mrs. Barber was unloading a 700 whose muzzle was pointed at a horse trailer. On the far side of the trailer was her son. The rifle went off; the bullet passed through the trailer; Gus Barber died. This was a terrible tragedy, and I am very sorry for the unbearable pain the Barbers suffered.

Rich Barber, Gus’ father, believes his son was killed because the rifle went off accidentally. In fact, Gus Barber died because a rifle was pointed at him. If the rifle had been pointed in a safe direction, all the Barbers would have gotten was a bad scare.

This kind of tragedy can happen to anyone, with any gun, if he or she ignores the prime directive of safe gun handling, put best by Jeff Cooper:

“Do not cover with the muzzle of a gun anything you do not wish to destroy.” "

In addition, I stand by my previous post, I believe it false and factually incorrect reference the claim of this thread "Remington 700 recall....every last one of them", that is nothing more than dramatic embellishment.

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"Everyone shown on the program who was killed or wounded by a 700 suffered because either they themselves or someone else pointed a 700 at them.

Er! Yes! They were not shot by ricochets! What does that have to do with a problem with the trigger? Could there there be a problem with the trigger and no one actually getting shot? Well, yes!
Peter

Press release, dated Dec 6, 2014, cut and pasted directly from Remington's website:

Yesterday afternoon, CNBC erroneously reported that Remington Arms was recalling 7.85 million rifles. This report was fundamentally inaccurate and, once again, CNBC did not comply with the most basic tenet of reporting – fact checking. Even a cursory review of the court filings would have revealed CNBC’s errors. That said, other news sources picked-up and repeated the misinformation about the proposed settlement. In response, the Plaintiffs’ counsel immediately took steps to correct CNBC’s inaccuracies by clarifying the terms of the proposed settlement in their own press release, which, in part, stated:


These settlements are not recalls.
These settlements are not any admission that the products are defective or unsafe.

This economic settlement provides an avenue for consumers, who have certain Remington rifles, to voluntarily have a new trigger installed. As noted by the Plaintiffs, the benefits provided by the settlement will not be in place until after court approval.



Remington is issuing this press release today because it is important that the terms of the proposed economic settlement be accurately described, as Remington does not want its customers to be confused or misled.



Further, and contrary to CNBC’s story, it is undisputed that the Remington Model 700 is the best-selling American-made, bolt-action rifle of all time. The Model 700 has also been and continues to be the tactical sniper rifle of choice for the U.S. armed forces and special operators and is widely used by state and federal law enforcement agencies.

Draw your own conclusions, but this doesn't mean every 7XX series rifle, and certainly not, as the OP suggests, "every last one of them." Now, if someone can post the actual text of the settlement, then we can all see facts, rather than conjecture.

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Originally posted by raamw:
when a trigger malfunctions it is due to a design error, unless you are qualified to correct this error thenyou should talk to remington It seems remington has no way of correcting this problem without replacing it with a new design which will not malfunction. I don't care how safe you think you are or most accidents occur from mishandling, this firing mechanism has a serious flaw which has nothing to do with mishandling it just goes off. Because of this there is no way you can be certain where your muzzle is when the remington decides on its own when to discharge, its like an air bag that goes off when it wants

This is not completely true. While I don't like airbags and I DO believe that some Remingtons discharge when opening the bolt action with no finger on the trigger, the two situations are different, and the Remington does NOT go off without doing something to it. Furthermore, it NEVER discharges when there is no round in the chamber. I can see many limitations on the safe use of a Model 700 as a hunting weapon. But as a target gun, used only on a range, it's not too bad. The action stays open until you are ready to shoot, and you don't operate the bolt or the trigger without the gun's being pointed in a safe direction. I would say the same for the "safety" but for the fact that I'm not sure that I see any use for the "safety" at all.

Again, the Remington does NOT decide on its own when to discharge. It just does it at some unexpected times, but NEVER when there is no round in the chamber. I probably agree that it is not worth much for hunting.

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Furthermore, it NEVER discharges when there is no round in the chamber

Can't argue with that!!!!
Peter.