For the past few months, we over here in UK have been having smoke blown up you know where , over this issue, & nowhere on the net have I seen or heard of a definitive cause for these "let offs", The nearest we get to an adult type explanation is, "Excess bonding agent" WTF is that?

Steve, we have to rely on the manufacturer for "the definitive cause" and I believe that is what they have said.
Peter.

Maybe I am not being clear, Remington is not recalling all these weapons because they want you to have a better trigger, they where under tremendous pressure to replace these triggers because they are dangerous and there is no way they can be corrected other than replaceing them. Just because they come into an agreement to replace the trigger without admitting they are dangerous doesn't change the fact....bottom line everyone wins and all those gave a little


This non sense about it won't happen when the gun isn't loaded doesn't require a reply, but will go down in my book on most ridiculous statements

This is like Obama refusing to call Isis a terrorist group????? tell that to the families of those individuals who lost their lives by knife or fire.

i own a model 721 built in 1948 have never had anissue with it it was my uncles rifle he willed it to me myself i own 3 model 700's a 700 lss in 300 ultramag, , bought when it first came out , a model 700 bdlss in 7mmremag , bought pre pro trigger era and a model 700 mtn rifle in 280remington , i have never had an incident with any of my remingtons nor any of my other rifles , which when i go to a range i shoot them all have never had the triggers touched or monkeyed with by anyone especially some so called know it alls personally if i had to have my rifles looked at i most likely would take mine to a noted certified gunsmith, if i had any problems with which i haven't too many arm chair experts out therethat think they know everything , of course we all know nobody knows everything

http://www.remington.com/pages...l700-modelseven.aspx herer is the recall notice right from remington where in the heck does it say the model 721 the rifles in question are the ones with the newer triggers i really would like to know how msnbc a cnbc can manipulate the facts follow the link read the facts plus my suggestion is if ya don't like the remington then don't buy one go by a jap or hungarian made browning or winchester , i buy american made sorry

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Originally posted by raamw:
Maybe I am not being clear. . .

This non sense about it won't happen when the gun isn't loaded doesn't require a reply, but will go down in my book on most ridiculous statements

This is like Obama refusing to call Isis a terrorist group????? tell that to the families of those individuals who lost their lives by knife or fire.

You are being quite clear. You have gone stark raving bug**** about the fact that Remington has a large number of rifles out there, a few of which discharge when they shouldn't, like when opening the bolt to unload the gun. You have claimed that they sometimes discharge on their own initiative, therefore they are unsafe. You are wrong twice, and you know it. They do not discharge on their own; a very small number discharge when they aren't supposed to, as a result of one or another action taken by the person handling the rifle. You claim that this has to be unsafe, because it could happen anytime (untrue) and no one can control the muzzle ALL the time. The last clause I will regard as reasonable, but while it may be difficult to control the muzzle ALL the time, in some uses it is NOT difficult to control the muzzle ALL THE TIME A ROUND IS CHAMBERED. That is why I pointed out that the gun will not fire without a round chambered, because YOU based your whole "unsafe" argument on your lie that the gun could discharge at any time, of its own free will. That is doubly false; it can discharge a round only when one is chambered, and it won't do that unless the user does something himself.

The Remington 700 with "Walker trigger" has a problem. So do you. Don't make either one any bigger than it really is.

I guess I'll never know if Remington could help my 700, because it got a Timney trigger years ago, and the factory piece went in the junk bin.

What I am saying one accidental death is one to many, if you can't agree on that then I don't have an answer for you

Common sense....Remington was forced into this recall, it appears they could not defend there design nor overcome the burden of proof to place the blame on the person handling the gun. An unloaded gun isn't a realistic answer to this, if you are in a hunting situation we are referring to a loaded weapon, once loaded you need to unload that is the areas we are talking about. Go back to my earlier post with the CNBC post, there is a video clip of a police sniper or swat member wherein the rifle fires when he attempt to open the bolt, seems to me there is a serious problem. Just because it hasn't happened to you does not mean it won't.
If Remington could repair that trigger mechanism short of replacing it I am certain they would but can't
Now with that in mind, the documented prove of this occurrence would you willingly endanger other people because you suspect some kind of conspiracy against Remington, if you where one of these people who gets shot by a defective gun would you have the same opinion. I have no beef against remington I own several of the guns including one 700BDL, I have not stock in there company as the company is privately owned

I am just placing important info I came across to insure you can make an intelligent choice on how to handle this.

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Originally posted by raamw:
. . . if you are in a hunting situation we are referring to a loaded weapon, once loaded you need to unload that is the areas we are talking about. Go back to my earlier post with the CNBC post, there is a video clip of a police sniper or swat member wherein the rifle fires when he attempt to open the bolt, seems to me there is a serious problem. Just because it hasn't happened to you does not mean it won't. . . .

I am just placing important info I came across to insure you can make an intelligent choice on how to handle this.

This much we agree on. It IS a problem. For some uses, it can be handled. For others, maybe not.

Peace.

I'm a Rem 700 fan but thanks for the post. I bought a Rem XCR II in 2011 and I think it's part of the recall. I have since given the rifle to my youngest son. I will have a Jewell trigger put in to replace it.

My 1968 BDL in 270 isn't part of the recall and since I had Norm Thompson work on it (bless his soul) and it breaks like glass at 2 1/4 lbs, I will never replace that trigger.

Don't get confused the earlier recall which only involved certain 700" and similar rems
The new recall which is being ironed out as of 2/4/15 involves every last one built since 1948 and its clones

I suspect there will be some type of time limit, probably in years, for any recall. Who knows with lawyers and money involved. Hopefully there won't be a lot of piling on by others ending up causing a Chapter 11 bankruptcy or worse 7. I could see the anti-gun lobby pushing this trigger issue to the front of the news channels.

Another possibility could be Remington offering fair market value for the really old guns if a trigger replacement isn't available. Could be in the form of a credit toward a new gun.

No shotguns involved, I hope.