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Dead Horse Issues!!!!
19 November 2011, 06:59
CrazyhorseconsultingDead Horse Issues!!!!
Please feel free to help me out on this.
Following are what I consider "Dead Horse Issues" on Accurate Reloading. The reason I am calling them "Dead Horse Issues", are as follows:
1. There will never be 100% agreement on them.
2. Everyone that has an opinion on these subjects feels that their opinion is the only correct opinion and no amount of contradictory evidence is going to change their mind.
3. Dead, has several degrees of being.
Last but not least, they are what keep this place fun and interesting.
"Dead Horse Issues"
1. Premium Bullets.
2. .223 as a "Deer" rifle.
3. 35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62.
4. Hunting inside a high fence.
5. "Tipping".
6. Anything concerning Peter Hathway Capstick.
Anyone else have any topics they feel are "Dead Horse Issues". You will notice that I did not list anything from the ARPF as everything on there is a "DHI"!
Even the rocks don't last forever.
19 November 2011, 08:00
Kabluewyquote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Please feel free to help me out on this.
Dead, has several degrees of being.
.223 as a "Deer" rifle.
This is an interesting topic. I'll think about and may post later, but for now, IMO, anything re the 223 is deader that dead (including the deer shot with it)
. I have no idea why anyone would want to discuss such a useless cartridge at all.
KB
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19 November 2011, 08:12
boom stickMaybe there needs to be a dead horse topic rating system
Dead horse
Dead right there horse
Struck by hammer of Thor dead horse
All the above and decomposed dead horse
Zombie return of the living dead horse.
19 November 2011, 09:34
Sagebrush BurnsHow about 30-06 vs 270?
19 November 2011, 09:45
ramrod340I think trying to make people view these as a dead horse is a
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
19 November 2011, 17:18
Crazyhorseconsultingramrod340, some folks got it evidently you are in a different group.
Dead Horse Issue definition: An issue that will never be resolved due to differences of opinion on said issue. These issues can also be considered circular in that the discussions/arguements about them start and end at the same point.
As I said in the OP, these type discussions keep AR interesting, but it doe not change the fact that they are issues that will never be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.
Another DHI is Antler Restrictions In Texas.
The DHI's are fun and provide a lot of useful information to those willing to take the time to sort thru the BS and hyperbole, but by their very nature, they will never be reolved, and I don't see that as being a bad thing. JMO.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
19 November 2011, 17:39
jeffeossolacey act
ethical hunting
emotional maturity
intellectual honesty
19 November 2011, 17:56
Kabluewy"Hunting" deer or hogs, from a heated and dry stand overlooking a corn feeder set to a timer to spin corn just after daylight, and just before dark.
KB
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19 November 2011, 18:10
scottfromdallasquote:
Originally posted by Kabluewy:
"Hunting" deer or hogs, from a heated and dry stand overlooking a corn feeder set to a timer to spin corn just after daylight, and just before dark.
KB
That's what we call hunting hard. I don't run a heater so it's especially hard.
19 November 2011, 18:22
Crazyhorseconsultingquote:
"Hunting" deer or hogs, from a heated and dry stand overlooking a corn feeder set to a timer to spin corn just after daylight, and just before dark.
In actuality this one is not a DHI.
Looked at realistically, it is not actually hunting, it is shooting/shopping, trying to decide which animal the person will shoot.
Additionally, here in Texas because of the lack of Public Land, one of the reasons so many Texans go to other states and countries where they can actually hunt, people wanting to "Hunt" here at home are really limited as to what they can do and be successful.
The only DHI aspect of this is personal definition of what is or is not "Hunting".
Even the rocks don't last forever.
19 November 2011, 18:27
KabluewyThat's why I put the word "hunting" in quotes.
Oh, may I add to your list of DHI subjects - poking fun at Texans. I know it's a DHI, but I just enjoy it so much.
And let's not forget to include long range shooting within the "hunting" debate.
Don't forget about the 50 BMG, and where it fits in the shooting world.
KB
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19 November 2011, 18:28
Dave Bush
Dave
DRSS
Chapuis 9.3X74
Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL
Krieghoff 500/.416 NE
Krieghoff 500 NE
"Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer"
"If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition).
19 November 2011, 18:34
scottfromdallasThe king of all DHI is 223 vs deer. It's about time someone starts another thread on this issue.
19 November 2011, 18:36
KabluewyAnd the infernal 700 safety and trigger, and unintentional discharges, and the factory extractor vs the Sako style extractor, and the clones vs tweeking a factory action, blind magazine vs hinged bottom metal vs DBM, etc., etc., barrrrrff!!!!!
KB
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19 November 2011, 18:44
KabluewyCIP cartridges vs SAAMI cartridges.
KB
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19 November 2011, 18:49
KabluewyThe Blaser hunting rifle.
KB
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19 November 2011, 19:09
LJSMark Sullivan
19 November 2011, 20:09
Ackley Improved UserEvery topic on AR seems to be DEAD HORSE issue!
19 November 2011, 22:23
ramrod340quote:
ramrod340, some folks got it evidently you are in a different group
Guess I just march to a different drum
Or I hadn't had enough
As usual just my $.02
Paul K
19 November 2011, 22:43
Mike_DettorreWhat I learned on AR...was spawned by dead horses
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 November 2011, 22:44
montea6bHere are my inputs:
1. Wood versus synthetic stocks
2. Heating treating/setback of milsurp Mausers
3. Long range hunting shots (I guess you could lump this under "ethical hunting")
4. Any claimed superiority of one cartridge over another when the difference is less than .030" and 300FPS
5. Gunmakers that take people's down payment and don't deliver on schedule
6. Catastrophic receiver failures
19 November 2011, 22:48
GhubertThe hunt report by that guy who shot a horse.
19 November 2011, 23:03
Art S.Is everyone afraid to even say the words???
"FORTY FIVE SEVENTY"
20 November 2011, 00:51
vapodogquote:
"FORTY FIVE SEVENTY"
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20 November 2011, 00:53
vapodogquote:
Dead Horse Issues!!!!
Ackley Improved
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20 November 2011, 01:19
BNagelControlling posts
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20 November 2011, 02:16
Jon Beutler300WSM and why it was needed
20 November 2011, 21:05
BlacktailerDead Horse Issues
1. Shot placement is everything
2. While you can kill a horse with a 223, practical minimum caliber is 7mm and above
3. It is not ethical to shoot a horse while you are riding it, you can shoot from a vehicle only if local laws and your outfitter approve.
Have gun- Will travel
The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark
20 November 2011, 23:27
Antelope SniperMatchkings as a hunting bullet.
21 November 2011, 08:27
Alberta CanuckHow about
-new Barrel break-in Need for, OR how to's
-superiority of cut rifling to button rifled or hammer-forged barrels
-How many shots in a valid test group
-accuracy of free-floated barrels over bedded ones
-inferiority of belted magnum cases
-Superiority of 7x64 to .280 Rem
-Lack of need for ANY new cartridge (pick whichever cartridge you like)
-How useful $1,200 scopes are for deer hunters
21 November 2011, 14:29
GerryDHI's?
F**k 'Em ..... I'm just writing a response so I can see my name in print .....
Cheers,
Number 10
21 November 2011, 17:00
Bill/OregonThank you Vapodog! The suspense was killing me.
There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t.
– John Green, author
22 November 2011, 10:09
wympleLong term validity of WSSMs
22 November 2011, 11:21
KabluewyShort term the validity of the WWSMs
Anything SmokinJ has to say
carpetmans use of 55 gr varmint bullets on deer
KB
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22 November 2011, 23:42
MopaneMike375 Ruger vs. 375 H&H
MopaneMike
22 November 2011, 23:58
maxenergy45/70 for dangerous game
minimum energies to kill game
Bob
23 November 2011, 01:23
chuck375Dead horse issues ...
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
23 November 2011, 01:43
ztrehSounds like a normal discussion.
23 November 2011, 07:32
BiebsDouble rifles versus magazine rifles for African dangerous game hunting.
