My 300 Win with 180's is clocking 3050fps. I am sure I could hit 3100 since I am not maxed.

BUT...my 30'06 with 165's is shooting 2850-2900, and that is redlined with W760. I don't think it is possible to safely hit those speeds with a 180 out of a 22" tube. I have played with a lot of powders and loads in my '06 and I cannot get 0ver 2900fps with 165's let alone with 180's.

My last 300 win was a mod 70 with a 26" barrel.

Here are a couple of the loads that I used,

IMR 7828 180 Barnes XBT

75----3038
76----3101
77----3130
78----3163, 3173 These are getting warm

IMR 4350 180 Barnes XBT

70----3046
71----3117
71.5----3112
72----3166, 3177


Sold the 300 win. Got three 300 ultra mod 70's now. But I think one is destined to be a 375 ultra.

30-06 or 300WM? Own both, shoot both, although I admit to taking the 300WM more often as I like to use 200grn noslers when hunting larger animals. Shoot what you want. IT is more determined by what I am hunting than anything else.

After two plus years as a fulltime rangemaster at a public shooting range I made the following observations about .300 mags compaired to 30-06 class cartridges: To be comfortable to shoot the mags have to be 1 to 2 lbs. heavier. Scope and mount problems are more frequent and severe with the mags. Belted mags. especially tend to create handloading problems especially die adjustment. Even competent, experienced shooters will not shoot as well as they did with the 06 class of cartridges. Significantly, the .300 mag shooter is less likely to practice, zero correctly, or do extensive load developement due to the discomfort of shooting. The ballistics are not as different as most people think. Finally, way too many shooters are buying .300 mags as their first rifle.

Wow, great discussion, lots of data. If I were an animal, I would not want to get hit by any bullet, that being said, I would rather be shot at by someone who does not know how to judge drop/drift with an '06 OR the guy/gal who flinches with their 300 WM.

Either way, If I were the game, I would not want to be in front of someone who knew how to place a slug where I was standing!

I am sure they will both work, too much energy for me......mental.

Good case for Mags, less concern about drop/drift and range estimation, much less on target energy/fps/ etc......but I don't hit well with them myself, I guess I would need more practice if I chose to use them. I shoot 6-7mm's of moderate capacity......after that I want a 338 bore (ear plugs and a good recoil pad if a Win mag) but that is me. Split the difference and shoot a 30 cal.....good option. I just want something different I guess. They do work, as the 06 and 300 are extremely common.

My .02.....for free as they say.

As I said much earlier in this post, bullet geometry can make a difference to the performance of the 06 without the need of a 300mag.
A the Federal site below, it shows the 30/06-180AB@2700, to have a definite advantage over the 300win/180NP@2960 for down range Vel, Energy, drift and drop.
SO if you have been happy with, or need,the down range performance of the classical 180NP@2960,but recoil is affecting your ability to make the most of oportunities that come your way, you can opt for an 06 with a better designed bullet and superior performance.

To add, I am looking into polygonal rifled barrels at the moment. Results from enquiries indicate Velocity increases 3-5%.
The 308win180gnAB at the general 2600,+ 3-5% means 2675-2725 fps.

Not for comparison,but as a matter of interest, an old hornadyload book I have, shows their 22"30-06 reaching 3000/165gn, 2800/180gn.
It also shows 22"7x57 getting 2900/154gn, 2800/160gn.

http://www.federalcartridge.com/ballistics/Ammo_Search....hoose&firearm=1&s1=1

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Originally posted by MTM:
Put the TSX in the 300.

Better yet, put the 168gr TSX in the 300...

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Even competent, experienced shooters will not shoot as well as they did with the 06 class of cartridges.

That is far from true. If you meant incompetent, inexperienced shooters will not shoot the 300 as well, I can see your point but, the statement quote above is bull.

I have two 300 Mags that will shoot itty bitty ragged hole groups if you do your part. Shooting my 22-250 HB and shooting my 300 Mag is no different. Discipline is where good shooting comes in, it has absolutely nothing to do w/ what cal you shoot. I shoot my 22-250 the same as I do my mags, a simple bench form. Sure, the Mag kicks more but, it doesn't kick enough to bother me. If a man can't shoot his magnum the way he can his standard cart, It's simply because he's flinching or anticipating recoil. If he's disciplined enough not to flinch he can shoot either well as long as we are talking quality equipment.

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