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So if you had a two gun battery (switch bbl) non dangerous game...and it is a short action...

Would you team the 7mm-08 with the new 338 federal or with a 358 win?

Or would you got an extra bolt and do a 325 WSM cause you are gonna may be take an elk or a moose...

Remember I generally don't shoot over 250 yds


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I'd get either a 7-08 or a 308 and spend the money for the second barrel on ammo.


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Well since your moving to Mt, I'd say keep the 7-08 and add a 30-06. Both will be good for everything we hunt here and overlap well in case you have a malfunction.
 
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Load a 154 sp or a good 140-150 gr, even 160 and an elk/moose is yours w/in 250yds in a 7/08

A 338 Federal might definitely drop them quicker, but the 7/08 will make them very dead in my opinion.

Some people say switch barrel may not be the way to go.......no experience for me to say.

If you don't shoot over 250 anyway, and are shooting deer and up, I'd go with either the 338F or 358.

You can plink cheap with 35 cal pistol bullets if that interest you, I do use them in my 350 for sighting and plinking.

PM me if you want a Ruger 77 Stainless 350 Rem Mag in new condition, mine is for sale It will give you more range if you ever needed it than the other rounds on large game. Lots of energy with this round.
 
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Guys Guys Guys...it's a take down and I must have a second caliber.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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7-08 with .338 Fed would be my choice, although you can never go wrong with the good ol .358 Win.


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.358 Winchester.


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Your 7/08 will kill anything in Montana. Might not be the first choice but it will get the job done. Next go for the 243 Winchester. Over 30 caliber in the lower 48 within the ranges you speak of is just not required. Focus on bullet placement and accuracy.

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30378,

I am shooting my 6BR more and more for all game up to deer, when I can place my shots, it's accuracy is amazing, and the 105 amax at over 2800 is wickedly deadly. I cannot expect lots of penetration, but lung shots, neck/head/spine shots are very easy and works well. I actually like the explosive properties of this bullet. It rapidly transfers energy and in doing so destroys vitals in a hurry when you put it there.
 
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30378,

I actually like the explosive properties of this bullet. It rapidly transfers energy and in doing so destroys vitals in a hurry when you put it there.


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Now I see why the 358 has fallen from grace. Guy's like you all here. This is one of the most underated cartridges going that has been passed up for all the old magnums, the new magnums, and whatever else is the current rage. It's a damn good round, just within a hair of being as effective as 35 Whelen. I have a 7mm-08, but you know if I had a 358 what would I need the 7mm-08 for? The 358 will do everything the 7mm-08 would. Maybe the poster that said get a 243 was on the right track. If you had a 358 to cover all big game, the 243 would cover all varmints. Maybe even make it a 22-250 or 223.
 
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Easy, 338 Federal.
 
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358 winchester... if you want speed, load it with the same weight bullets as the 338 federal, and they will go FASTER (surface area)... varmit gun? heh, 158gr JHP at 3000+ fps

if you want a real smasher, the 225 sierra game king at 2500fps...

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My choice would be the .358. I don't have a clue why the more powerful rifles like .358 Win., .35 Whelen or .358 Norma mag. are so disliked by the average American shooter. With good handloads and a 200 gr. bullets, it's more than good to go on deer to at leats 250 yards, possibly a bit more. The same could be said using a 225 gr. bullet for larger game, and in an area where there might be the chance of an encounter with "Brer griz", I'd feel a hell of a lot better with a .358 Win. with 250 gr. bullets.
The "egg-spurts" in the gun rags literally doomed the .358 Win. by calling it a nice brush cartridge. bull Brush gun my aching arse!
Can anyone really explain to me why the .35 Rem. is such a great cartridge while the .358 is no good? I know, it doesn't throw a bullet at 4000 FPS and vaporize bull moose at 2,000 yards.
I'll be leaving soon for an elk hunt. I will be packing my .35 Whelen as the primary rifle and one of my .358's as back up. Both rifles will be loaded with 250 gr. Speer Hot-cores. I have absolutely no doubt that if one of those rifles meets up with "Brer elk", there will be meat in the pot. What more is really necessary?
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IMO, the only real combo that lacks serious "overlap" is a 243 and 308... with today's great bullets I really can't see a 338-08 or 358 Win doing anything a 7-08 or 308 can't do.

I'd never feel undergunned on anything here with a 7-08 or 308...
 
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I'm a huge fan of the 35's, so I'd have say get the 358. It's easy to load for, 225 gr @ 2500 fps, stoke it with the barnes TSX or partitions, and it's capable of all NA game, and certainly out to 250 yds.


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Brad, that would be saying that you could go to Africa and take all the "dangerous" big game with a smallbore. I'm talking about doing it safely or more assuring. Yes, it can be done, that's been proven. Nothing beats displacement size, just as in small block car engines as compared big blocks. A bigger diameter bullet makes a bigger hole to start with, without having to expand, and as you mentioned the new wonderful bullets today, they even get a benefit from them.

One of the best whitetail deer cartridges ever is the 35 Rem. That round really has taken more deer then the 30-30. To boot it's a puny cartridge powder wise. Maybe that will give those who aren't familiar with the 358 Win the idea of it's power.
 
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Yeah, I would follow the recommendation of a 7/08 for about everything Montana has to offer, and then it is varmint hunting disneyland, I'd switch barrel off to a 22.250 or 243....

I can't see where a 338 Federal will give you much more than you will get out of a 160 or 175 grainer out of a 7/08....I like the 338 Fed concept, and would get one if I didn't have the 338/06... but I think that I would probably tire of it, and go with a 338/06....

The nice thing with a switch barrel.. is that you can always try a caliber out, and if you don't like it, get something else chambered and let the barrel go...that is why I am looking at making several of my rifles that way....

I have a Model 70 in 243 right now, that will end up with heavier barrels in 250 Savage, 260 Rem, 7/08 and 308... Yeah I know there is overlap, but it will spend a lot of time at the range...It has a sporter stock and I am going to also get a boyd's thumbhole varmint stock for range time...and yeah, a couple of different scopes might be in the mix on weaver mounts for quick changes....

I am also going to get a 223 barrel for it, and hijack the bolt out of my Featherweight in 223, at times and use it for a varmint rifle

Switch barrels open up a whole new world and allows one to have more fun, and less time gun collecting...

My new hobby is going to be 'wearing out varmint barrels and target barrels' at the range...and in varmint fields...
 
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I second the .243. The 7mm08 will take care of every thing big, .243 is great for smaller(up to small dear. the 7mm08 is about a .308 which is a 3006 lite. .243 uses the same bolt face as the 308, but is lighter and better suited for smaller game.
But I wonder how often you will use both barrels. In that cal. range it seems redundant for anything unless you went a lot bigger, and that would take another bolt face.
But then again it mihgt be a blond and a red head. Both the same mostly, but with enough differance in temperment to make it interesting>>>
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Guys,

I am not a fan of small...so 7mm is as low as I go...

Second, if you have never witness the "killing"bility of a 358 Win it may change your mind.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Folks,

This is a takedown on a short action...so it needs to be a short action round.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike, I like the idea of the .338 Federal. Properly headstamped brass now being readily available, it makes a pretty good thumper out to 25 yards anyways.....I like the bigger hole theory to a degree, but a .338 is a real killer! It makes your switch barrel fit easily as it is the same case head and length basically.

I saw a guy with a new Sako in 338 fedral at the range last weekend, and he was getting excellent velocities, and fantastic accuracy with factory ammo. Nice looking rig with a Zeiss conquest 3x9x40 on it, and he was into the whole rig for about 1500 bucks, including a couple of boxes of ammo--pretty good I thought......
 
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Fish,

Do you remember the velocities/bullet weights? Accuracy....group size? Thanks.
 
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338Fed deer and a 22-250 for coyotes would be my pick. 2nd would be 358 everything but coyotes and a 243 for coyotes and smaller. Sorry I would rather hunt predators than about anything else.
 
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I believe a 260 would smoke coyotes out there, as a 243, but the 6.5 makes a more versatile big game round. Nothing wrong with 22/250 on that bolt size for a varmint round.

If I were building, I would likely do a 260 and decide between the 338F and 358, weighing pros and cons of factory ammo offerings on one vs option to use cheap pistol bullets in the other if you plan to shoot much volume while plinking.
 
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Mike, I've used the 358. Nice round. With today's great bullets the 358 doesn't do anything a 308 doesn't do mostly better. I can appreciate rifle loonacy as that's what this project is. Nothing in the world wrong with that. However, once you move here you may change your mind about shooting past 250 yards and what makes a good all-around cartridge... unless hunting is less important than monkeying with rifles and cartridges in which case you can't make a bad decision. Any combo will meet your needs.

I'm trying to be realisitic... a 22-250 or 243 coupled with a 7-08 or 308 will handle varmints to elk.
 
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Shhh...don't tell anybody I have rifle lunacy...besides...I still have a 300 WSM....(shh)


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Hell Mike, I've got 3 300 WSM's and 4 270 WSM's!

If Sauer made a 202 in the WSM's I'd probably have a couple more.

6.5 BR, the fellow at the range was getting 2750 or so with the factory ammo, it was Federal with 180 gr. Accubonds. He was shooting mostly at 100 and 200 yards, and was in the .750 range at 100 yards, a little worse at 200, probably 2 to 2 1/2" groups there, but it was very windy. Having said that he did have two groups (all 3 shot groups) at 200 that were right at an inch, which is 1/2 minute--so I would say that the rifle was capable of that, and all with factory ammo.

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I've got things covered from .222 Rem up to .375 H&H but have found I tend to gravitate towards a select few for most of my Western big game hunting.

My .280 Rem bolt gun with 150 NP's @3050 fps. Killed a big cow elk last week at 326 yds with a single shot. It's light at 7 ounds and wears a 2.5-8X Leupold.

.338-06 M70 as a medium rifle. Good on elk and deer out to 350+ yds. Again NP's, 225 gr at 2550 fps. And another 2.5-8X Leupold.

Also have a pair of .300 H&H's that get a little use. And an old M70 in .257 Roberts AI with a 6X Leupold for deer and antelope IF elk are NOT on the menu.

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depending which short action, if m70(3.08"box) and you want to stick to 7mm, id go 7x57-140tsx,
if you want switch barrels and dont mind a second bolt,376styer over 325wsm anyday.
23" tubes on both 7x57&376s. Pacnor Polygonal bore barrels are avail.in 7mm&375cal which will give slight vel. advantage.
Mr.NF stated 250NF9.3x62 is legimate 300yd elk medicine,so id say 250NF376s is legit for moose&elk@250yd.

Other wise,Short action,One barrel,one cartridge,308win180gntsx/mrx. or 376s235gnTSX, full stop!
Hodgdon has .375-210gnBXFB@2943 fps,Id say one could get 2750-235gntsx, seems like a more worthwhile/versatile jump than the 358win.http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/376steyr.php
I am liking the idea of a 376s more and more each day.

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350remMag250NF makes a nice balanced round loaded at 3.04" in winSA box, at that its 2mm below caseneck,still plenty boiler room. as much as i like the 376s, the 350rm loaded longer(3.04")250nf,225x, is also hard to ignore.
As you can see im doing everything to avoid 325 wsm ,that case really deseves to be 375cal.
 
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Fish, thanks for the info.

Great thread. Last night my buddy and I had 2 extremes, me shooting a Ruger #1 in 6BR 105gr amax (head shot doe at 40yds), and he borrowed/now buying my 350 Rem Mag Ruger SS, dumped a large buck in tracks with bullet stopping just under hide opposite shoulder-225 Sierra.

He was blown away at the quick kill as his experience has had many a deer run with 243, 25-06, and 280. I have no idea on shot placement, bullet used, etc on all the deer he either lost, could not find, or had a long tracking job, but the 225 looks nice post shot. Have yet to weigh it. It does the job for sure, as many do, but it reminds me alot of the 338/06 I had, in killing effect. Seafire, I am contemplating a 338F to replace my 350, or a 358W. I think I will enjoy what they have, but if I lived where you do in the Northwest, instead of the deep south, I might go for the long actioned 338/06 again-it works. If Ruger would just make a #1 in 6.5x55/260 and in 338/06 I would be set, a 338F or 358 Mannlicher #1 would be neat also. Having one shot puts the pressure on me to do it right the first time, as usually that is the best and sometimes only chance we get.
 
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Mike, I've used the 358. Nice round. With today's great bullets the 358 doesn't do anything a 308 doesn't do mostly better. I can appreciate rifle loonacy as that's what this project is. Nothing in the world wrong with that. However, once you move here you may change your mind about shooting past 250 yards and what makes a good all-around cartridge... unless hunting is less important than monkeying with rifles and cartridges in which case you can't make a bad decision. Any combo will meet your needs.

I'm trying to be realisitic... a 22-250 or 243 coupled with a 7-08 or 308 will handle varmints to elk.


That may be but if I didn't already own a 7mm-08 which I believe Mike said he did, then I'd likely opt for a .260 Rem and .338 Federal. In either case, the .338 Fed would be my second barrel. Is it any better or worse than the .358? I dunno, but it would be my choice.




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FWIW, my rifle battery this deer season consisted of a Kimber Montana 7-08 and a custom Winchester Classic featherweight in 358.


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Dr Lou,

My 'dream rifle' might have been a custom shop mannlicher M70 in 338F or 358 but those suckers went for something between 2200 and 2800 IIRC.

I could build something like that for half, how does the FWT shoot in 358? Do you know the twist they used? Thanks.
 
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Well seeing that you need more than the 7mm-08 and do't or won't go smaller in cal, how about a 50BMG Ackley Imp Super Short Magnum with a rebated rim? That oughta get things done
 
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We can assume that you have other guns so overlap is not necessarily a problem? Even then you want a switch barrel which means something different when you change the barrel.

I would stay with a similar contour barrel but the length could vary some if you want it to.

Is the action CRF? How long is the magazine box? How light do you want the gun to be?

All these things might affect the cartridge selection.

If you already have a walking varmint rifle then I would pick the 7mm-08 as a first choice for you as you mentioned it first and then a 338 Federal as you mentioned it second. For myself I would get three barrels in 243, 308 and 358. The 358 is considered a dangerous game cartridge by some.

Of the switch barrel guns that I have seen I like the Sauer 202 the best and the Blaser the least. I tried to get a 202 in 270 Win and 9.3-62 but my dealer was not interested in working for the order.

The best shooting switch barrel rifles might be the Savage 110 series. They can be a switch barrel. All you need is a barrel nut wrench and a headspace gage.


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Savage, contemplated a LONG time, years ago on a 202 or 90 in a 6.5x55. Passed and you know the rest.......the Sauer is well built, nice quiet safety, glass smooth action, trigger nice, and I understand very accurate, they were once affordable quality, now maybe not so.
 
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Mike, As much as I think that the 325 WSM would give you the best performance in a short action round it's not going to work. To make a WSM feed properly you need a magazine box a good bit wider than one for a 7-08's. A bolt is easier to change than a magazine box. The Feed rails also need to be timed different with a WSM compared to std short action round.
I think that the new 338 Federal might be you best choice given feeding and function consideration..................DJ


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